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Dell to Get Into Cell Phones in 2006

prostoalex writes "BrightHand looks into the future of Dell Axim PDA line. X30 will be discontinued, X50 will get another update of Windows Mobile, and pretty soon Dell might be entering the cell phone business with PDA+phone Axim combo. The phone line will replaces the X50 model in mid-2006."

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  1. My phone can already do pda stuff by Organized+Konfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The biggest use of a pda is to keep track of appointments, take notes, and hold contact information - all of which my nokia 6230 can do NOW! PDAs are dying.

    1. Re:My phone can already do pda stuff by Bluesy21 · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Yeah that might be good for you, but people who actually use PDAs/Smartphones use them because they can enter appointments, contacts, etc on their device without hitting the 6 button 4 times to get one letter. A Nokia or any other normal phone just doesn't have a good input system for this type of data.
      So for all of us that actually use PDAs for their intended purpose have to have a PDA, and cell phone or one of those horrible bulky Smartphones. The only one of acceptable size I've seen are Blackberrys.

    2. Re:My phone can already do pda stuff by dsginter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      PDAs are dying.

      PDAs would have been dead a long time ago if the industry wasn't so greedy. For example, as you have illustrated, even the most basic of cell phones have had adequate PDA capabilities for years now. My Nokia 3588i certainly does. But I don't use it because Nokia wants to rape me to the tune of $50 for a data cable. Then I have to get proprietary software. So I don't use this functionality and never will.

      If some bright spark in the industry realized that they could win most of the market over by simply offering a "non evil" policy on parts, accessories and service. For example, if someone adopted the USB standard for charging and data transfer, I wouldn't ever have to buy this shit over every time I bought a cell phone. I realize that the ultra high-end has already adopted this but there should be a friggin' law that requires all phones to adopt this policy.

      But our government is run by big business so this will likely never happen.

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    3. Re:My phone can already do pda stuff by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      even the most basic of cell phones have had adequate PDA capabilities for years now. My Nokia 3588i certainly does. But I don't use it because Nokia wants to rape me to the tune of $50 for a data cable [nokiausa.com]. Then I have to get proprietary software. So I don't use this functionality and never will.

      I think you are right about the greed part but "adequate PDA capabilities"? I use a Palm Tungsten for a PDA (connected via bluetooth to my phone) and wouldn't dream that my Nokia would be able to replace it. Same with the Treos some of my friends have. I suppose it depends on your needs but my Nokia 6310i has (roughly) the same capabilities as your 3588i and it's utterly useless as a PDA. Why? Several reasons.
      1. You already touched on crappy, proprietary software. Nokia's software on the PC sucks. No really, it's horrifically bad. It barely works, has a crappy interface, doesn't integrate with the system unless you happen to be an Outlook user, and consumes lots of resources without really doing much of anything useful.
      2. Navigation. The screen size/fonts are not sized usefully for efficient navigation except for the simplest information. You can't usually see more than a 10 digit phone number which makes viewing addresses (email or otherwise) awkward. It's not bad for appointment notification but you can't use it because of the afformentioned crappy software.
      3. Interface. I have bluetooth and infrared with my Nokia which saves me the trouble of getting the overpriced data cable. But even then, I had to get a firmware update for Nokia's bluetooth to cooperate with my Thinkpad. The infrared worked fine but it doesn't matter because of point #1 (Nokia software = crappy) I don't even have a problem with them selling the cable separate but when they do sell you a cable, it's some absurd proprietary cable instead of firewire/usb which would be actually useful.
      4. Most importantly, Nokia doesn't care about end users much. You aren't their main customer, the carriers are. Most phones are subsidized by the carriers and it isn't really in the carrier's interest to pay for a phone with the added cost of a decent PDA type system they won't make any money from. They don't want to pay for the tech support, they don't want to pay for the development cost and they don't want to pay for hardware. The only thing they do want is enough PDA-like features so they can put it on a check list so that their competitors can't claim their phone does more.
  2. Commodity phones, the end of innovation? by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While I understand Dell's decision to get into the cellphone business, it has to be said this marks the beginning of a potentially worrying trend. Dell is the biggest manufacturer of commodity PC hardware in the world, and cellphones are also going in that direction. While that might seem a good thing, remember that the commoditization of the PC industry essentially sucked the innovation from it. PCs have gotten faster, but for the most part, there hasn't been a surprise, a new way of doing things, in PCs and in personal computing, since the early nineties.

    What we may be seeing is the start of essentially the phone clones. Imagine the offerings from most of the large manufacturers being essentially identical, perhaps three or four models, all looking broadly the same as their competitors equivalents, differing from competitors by battery life, probably running the same firmware. You might get the basic no-frills phone, similar to a Nokia 61xx series, a slightly more advanced colour phone with a camera, a PDA phone that's literally a pen-based PDA with GSM/UMTS built-in, and an expensive slimline phone. That's the future of phones, much as every PC manufacturer produces essentially low-end and high-end PC-clones, differing from competitors by case colour, and laptops.

    From a technologists standpoint, it's also depressing. Phones remain a relatively closed platform, with only limited opening up in the form of the occasional J2ME implementation, usually badly implemented and slow, or Symbian/WinCE platform, both of which are designed to be as closed as the phone manufacturer chooses. The idea of being able to get independent development environments, independent convertors and compilers (on an off-topic note: why do we now call compilers "linkers" and use the word "compiler" to refer to code converters? That's just dumb. I used to think it was only tech-illiterates that used it that way around, but it's slipped into normal usage. People: It's a "C convertor", not a "C compiler". You can't get language compilers, compilers compile - Compile (tr.v): To put together or compose from materials gathered from several sources: compile an encyclopedia - object code to produce executables) so people can create new software for their phones and make them genuinely friendly to them is unlikely, and probably going to become less likely the more phones become commodities. In some ways that's ironic, as the opposite happened to personal computing, but in personal computing people were directly buying PCs rather than trying to get them from phone service companies.

    Will this essentially be the end of the diversity we see from Nokia's 9xxx series to the Treo to all manner of other technologies? I hope not, but I fear Dell wouldn't be interested if the industry wasn't going in this direction. If it happens, expect Nokia and Sony Ericsson to become also-rans, or else shadows of their former selves, to the Nokias and SEs of today what HP was to the HP of old.

    I guess, whatever else, time will tell.

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  3. Wow by mattmentecky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A company already entrenched in a saturated market (hardware/computer retailer), branching out into an even more saturated market (cell phones)? Sounds like a winning plan there.

    1. Re:Wow by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't think that Dell has any experience dominating a saturated market through business efficiency, do you?

  4. Good finaly compete with HP phones by johnjones · · Score: 2, Insightful

    HP phones are good but they are VERY expensive

    its a no brainer for dell as intel provides the hardware and MS the OS

    its what all the support + blackberry people want as you can actually get decent applications written for them

    dont cripple them dell allow any sim card to be put in and they will sell by the bucket load

    bluetooth (for headphones) and wifi(for corp data) a must

    I hope they come to the UK market

    regards

    John Jones

  5. Re:Fantastic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good example, but your tech rep's English is too good.

  6. Unlocked by petecarlson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All they need to do is sell them unlocked with 802.11b data and VoIP support. At first they will cost a boatload, but it will help push other manufacturers away from carrier lock in. If anyone can supply data services, I see an entire new market for WiFi to the phone.
    If I could cover most of your city with WiFi, would you pay $10 a month for unlimited data at 1MB/s to your phone?

  7. Finally by Jeremy.DeGroot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This could be what finally gets me to buy a cell phone. I've held out on phones because they don't do enough else to make me buy one (or they can do things like calendar and note-taking, but I prefer in interface of my day planner), and I've held out on PDAs because they're expensive and also aren't superior to my day planner. But if Dell markets a well-designed phone with serious computing power and a good interface, that may be the killer app that finally drags me kicking and screaming into the market. Here's hoping they can sell real multi-function phones with the quality and price that they've been providing computers at.

  8. Re:Great for Competition by stecoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your tickling one of my biggest gripes with cell phones today - carrier specific phones. Maybe one day the hardware will be powerful enough so that software will talk to whatever technology is used. A new technology arrives, great, get a software upgrade instead of new hardware. But this isn't specific to cell phones either - how many 802.11 technologies have you gone through?

  9. That's not the problem. by numbski · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is that most cell phones aren't sold at what they're worth. They are sold at a loss, the price being subsidised by the major carriers. This is why the iPod phone between Apple and Motorola is being delayed. No one wants to subsidize it, becase the carriers are being greedy.

    As I see it right now, Apple could sell a GPRS phone outright with no problems. Plug in a sim card and you're good to go. The problem is, most people aren't willing to shell out $600 for a phone. $300, maybe, but not $600.

    Sprint ("The first to build our own, all digital network from the ground up.") and CDMA technology is stagnating, and to make matters worse, you can't use just any CDMA phone, you have to use one they've approved.

    The main reason I'm looking to move to a GPRS carrier when my contract is up. I want a bluetooth phone that will nicely sync with iSync, and for extra credit I want either a native imap client (not a java one, that's what I use now) or native ssh. My Sony-Ericson, Sprint forsaken phone is buggy as all get out. I can't even answer a phone call while in hands-free mode. The call gets garbled. :(

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  10. Re:Me no Under stand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yep, blame the guy who is outside of America. It definitely is his fault. What I don't understand is why can't an American company produce a cell phone worth a fuck?

  11. as was said about their move into printers by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and that move is doing very well. Dell rarely makes mistakes. They do make them but they also make decisions that work very well regardless of industry outlook. Moving into branded printers was decried by many as a waste of time but that hasn't proven so.

    Consider their corporate connection and this makes a lot of sense. Where I work is almost now all Dell. It saves time and money to single source many different items. Throwing phones into the mix wouldn't be too much of a stretch. They have established a level of trust with us and many other companies, that can be used to further expand their interest and protect them from being too tightly focused on one industry.

    I suspect that if a certain other /. favorite hardware seller were entering the market the responses would be very different.

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