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FCC Pics of the IBM ThinkPad X41 Tablet PC

jkendrick writes "jkOnTheRun has posted pics of the rumored IBM ThinkPad X41 Tablet PC pulled from the FCC filing. It looks as expected, a nice black ThinkPad with a major exception, the swivel screen and the Tablet OS."

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  1. real or not.. by testednegative · · Score: 5, Informative

    thats one sweet concept in my opinion. put a little hole on the back so you can hang it when its in tablet mode and you have a picture frame too!

    ... and heres mirrordot to the rescue
    http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/adae1f7a0023fd6c0 a442b089c527c0f/index.html

  2. what about this tablet pc by grumpyman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Excuse me but what is the significance of this tablet PC? There're tons of these similar thingie out there...

    1. Re:what about this tablet pc by daviddennis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are a lot of them, but none of them have the build quality or design integrity of a ThinkPad. I've seen the Toshibas up close and personal and they just reek of mediocre design and build quality.

      I used to think the Tablet idea was just stupid until I met a professor at a major university who uses his to scribble notes on while projecting them on the screen in his large lecture class. He uses Camtasia to record what he's doing and posts the capture files on the class web site for his students to review. It's an extraordinarily effective mode of teaching.

      I wish Apple made one of these things so I could enjoy using it more, but a ThinkPad would definitely be the next best thing.

      D

  3. Re:With photoshop... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So with photoshop and a blog, I can get on slashdot?

    Sure, you just need to find a way to get your pictures hosted on an fcc.gov server as well. Good luck!

  4. Re:Looks as expected by NetJunkie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Heavy? The X series is 2.7lbs. That's not heavy. The IBM screens are great. My T42P is 14" and does 1400x1050 and is clearer than any other I've seen. They offer 15" screens now on most models if you want the extra size and weight.

  5. Re:With photoshop... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you RTFA there are links to the images on the FCC website.

    Now... I'm not saying it is a hoax, but it looks real enough and I don't care enough that I can just leave it at that.

  6. Re:Looks as expected by erick99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I sold them for many years and while they are, indeed, black, ugly, and heavy, they also tended to be sturdy and very reliable. I sold 76 to NASA for Shuttle missions (they used them onboard for several years but I have no idea what they use now).

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  7. open source is the attraction for some by breakbeatninja · · Score: 4, Informative

    For open source users the ThinkPad delivers a welcome change, in that the majority of the hardware is supported without special patches or drivers. I know the X40 ThinkPads were a favorite among the Linux and *BSD community because of how well they operated. On a side note, a lot of the Dell Inspiron and Lattitude laptops tend to work about as well.

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  8. 180 degrees? by over_exposed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only one here that passed basic math? I could have *sworn* that screen was only rotated 90 degrees in the picture...

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    1. Re:180 degrees? by mikael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Am I the only one here that passed basic math? I could have *sworn* that screen was only rotated 90 degrees in the picture...

      To get the screen to lie flat on the keyboard with screen visible in tablet mode, it's got to rotate 180 degrees from the standard foldup mode.

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    2. Re:180 degrees? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      no, you're the only one. congratulations.

      frankly, few of us have taken any course called "basic math".

    3. Re:180 degrees? by Eyeball97 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, but the picture was taken after it was rotated 90 degrees the other way

    4. Re:180 degrees? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The parent and all the posters above failed in basic math, sorry.

      Note that you need to swivel it 180 degrees to get the screen area to face away from you. Then you can close it to get a "tablet pc".

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  9. Still not a Slate by VoidEngineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It humours me how people are unwilling to go the final step and just make a freakin slate tablet. These swivel setups always remind me of someone dipping a toe into cold water, not sure if they want to jump in or not. I bet that IBM could make an amazing slate which would rock the competition (with an exception of the Electrovaya Scribbler, perhaps). At any rate, it seems to me that this is still a laptop, albeit with a 'Tablet configuration'. It's still not a slate, and I personally still group it in the 'laptop' abstract class rather than the 'tablet' abstract class.

    1. Re:Still not a Slate by Dink+Paisy · · Score: 4, Funny

      The slate form is very nice when taking notes or sitting in tight quarters, but it sucks for coding. Plus, I'm a C++ person, so I don't mind multiple inheritance.

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    2. Re:Still not a Slate by mblase · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tablets have their place -- scribbling pictures, taking notes when space is limited, etc. However, there are some jobs that a keyboard is simply better suited to do.

      Don't think of it as half-a-tablet, think of it as a useful hybrid. When you factor in the hard drive, CD burner, and a little space to cool the components inside the case, there's not much space added by the keyboard. May as well leave it there for the jobs that demand it.

      The only good reason to remove the keyboard completely is if you want to make a half-tablet PC -- about the size of the cover of a hardcover novel, which would be too small for typing on comfortably but just large enough to be easy to read. Before you do that, OS providers need to improve the handwriting recognition a bit further. And like you said, you'll probably see more of those being designed when and if the tablet form factor is widely embraced.

    3. Re:Still not a Slate by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " At any rate, it seems to me that this is still a laptop, albeit with a 'Tablet configuration'. It's still not a slate, and I personally still group it in the 'laptop' abstract class rather than the 'tablet' abstract class."

      Uh... okay.

      Here's the problem: Slate's good for standing up and walking around, it's NOT good as a desktop implementation. You still need a KB etc. That's what makes these hybrid tablets useful. You can use it as a Laptop OR a slate. One doesn't interfere with the other.

      I have ot admit, I'm baffled at the insightful mods granted to your post. I would have expected a little common sense (i.e. the common complaint about wanting a keyboard on PDAs) to have settled in. No insult intended, maybe I'm just spoiled by having one of these beasts. Even though I use the slate mode VERY often, I wouldn't want that to be it's ONLY mode.

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  10. Additional Info. by nyxon · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who care, The notebook comes equipped with a 12.1" XGA display and is powered by an Intel Pentium M 1.50 GHz processor. The X41 was first available April 12th and will set you back at least $1,999. - nYx

  11. IBM? by GodOfCode · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Could someone update me on the exact status of IBM Thinkpads. I was under the impression the hardware business has been sold to Lenovo and that the latter would be allowed to use IBM's name for a few years. So would this be an IBM Thinkpad or would it be a Lenovo Thinkpad?

  12. Re:Swivel screen by breakbeatninja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Projectors aren't nearly as ubiquitous as laptops, since everyone with a laptop can't afford to buy or carry a projector everywhere. This is nice for a small conference room setting or a person to person meeting.

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  13. Re:Looks as expected by avalys · · Score: 5, Informative

    They are not ugly. A purple, plasticy Toshiba or Sony shitbox is ugly. Thinkpads look purposeful, like a Hummer H1 or F-18. They're not supposed to be beautiful, they're supposed to work.

    As for heavy, I don't know where you got that - have you ever used a modern Thinkpad? When I was looking for a thin, light 15" mobile desktop, a Thinkpad was all I could find.

    As for the "nipple" joystick, most Thinkpads come with both the nipple and a touchpad, so you can use whatever you want. The ultraportables don't, but what do you expect? A touchpad is a waste of space and weight.

    As for the screen, you're basing your opinion on shitty spy photos that were submitted to the FCC? I have a Thinkpad T42p, and the 1600x1200 screen is the best I've ever used.

    IBM is the last remaining manufacturer of quality PC laptops. I'm glad to see that the sale of the PC division to Lenovo hasn't affected that.

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  14. shouldn't it say, IBM returns to tablet computers by Locutus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the early 90's, when Pen for OS/2 was around, I had asked IBM about a ThinkPad where the LCD rotated around and covered the keyboard. A guy from IBM said that IBM had that but discontinued it.

    I've never seen a reference to this but supposedly, IBM once had a tablet Thinkpad( heavy as a brick ) over 10 years ago.

    LoB

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  15. Enlarged pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really hate it when the "zoomed in" pictures are 1% bigger than the thumbnails. 1%!!!! What's the point?!

  16. Re:Ugly by Anaphiel · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As soon as the function of a laptop changes, they'll change the form.

    About two years ago I attended a presentation with one of the heads of IBM's industrial design group, and he had some pretty interesting things to say about why the ThinkPads look the way they do. The one that stuck in my head was that "they're boxy and angular because pretty much all of the interior components are boxy and angular... introducing curves, beveled edges, and round corners would just result in wasted space".

    As a long-time PowerBook owner (replete with curves, beveled edges, and round corners) I walked away from the discussion still thinking that the machines were ugly, but recognizing that they were purposely ugly, rather than from trying to look cool and failing miserably.

  17. What I'd Buy In a Heartbeat by SlashChick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm rather surprised that the "living room palmtop" idea hasn't taken off yet. Here's what I'd buy for sure:

    Price range: ~$400
    Slate-like Tablet PC (pen-driven) interface
    1280x1024 or 1400x1050 resolution (1600x1200 would really be ideal)
    802.11b/g wireless networking
    Has Windows Pocket PC or similar small OS installed, with some games, etc.
    Set up so that I can Remote Desktop into my Windows PC upstairs

    This would be a godsend. I'd set the thing on my coffee table and use it to just check my email without having to run upstairs to my desktop.

    I know Microsoft had this with Mira a while ago, but Mira devices were costly ($900-$1200) and mostly ran at 800x600 or 1024x768. Now that LCDs have dropped so far in price, I really feel this is a good marketing opportunity. Also, put Pocket PC on it and the thing can play games, etc. without having to be connected to the PC upstairs. Marketed properly and with the right price point, I bet we'd see these in most geek living rooms. It could even double as an interactive photo album with a stand and SD card slots, or a DVD player with a USB hookup. I'd welcome a device like this at $400 or less.

    Waiting patiently for the manufacturers to catch up to my imagination... :)

  18. Re:Who is gonna use these Tablet thingies anyway? by arnie_apesacrappin · · Score: 3, Funny
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't written anything longhand since 1998.

    <OT Rant>

    I went for an interview at company whose primary business was IT services. Before I was allowed to interview with the hiring manager, I had to fill out an application, longhand. On this application I had to list my high school in three separate places. Two of those places were on the same document. After not taking the job, I told my friend that recommended me:

    1. For an IT services organization to ask me to fill out documents longhand is ass-backwards.
    2. I've been in the industry for 10 years and have a Master's degree. Does it really matter where I went to high school?
    3. If it does matter where I went to high school, why do I need to fill it out THREE TIMES?

    It just pisses me off to no end when I have to fill out a form only for some admin to mis-type it into a computer. If HR is really worried about Larry the retarded janitor not being able to fill out an application on the computer print a copy for him. But for God's sake, don't make me write something that's going to be typed into a computer anyway.

    </OT Rant>
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  19. Re:Gah by macthulhu · · Score: 4, Funny

    I feel your pain. I once got even with our Ad Execs by telling them their new laptops had Facial Attribute Recognition Technology Software (FARTS)... They had to put the tip of their nose on the middle of the screen after entering their passwords, and then hit 'enter'... After about two weeks, I told them that I disabled that feature because it was overkill. Sadly, for the gene pool anway, they had been following my instructions. The cave people should be nicer to the space people. I reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllly wish I had videotaped them logging on...

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  20. Re:Looks as expected by rossifer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Black, ugly, heavy, and still using that nipple joystick in the middle of the keyboard.

    Black? The black color will be attractive to some, unappealing to others. I like the way they look, but I'm not all that picky on color.

    Ugly? Again, that's a matter of opinion and I happen to like the way they look. No swoopy plastic, just well-engineered function. The keyboard is especially functional and well-constructed.

    Heavy? Not sure what scale you're using, but you should get it checked. The Thinkpad line ranges in weight from 7lbs (including power brick) to 3.5lbs (including power brick). Only a few of the Sony laptops (and all ultraportables) are lighter and only if you leave the DVD drive at home. When comparing apple-to-apple functionally, the IBM has always come out lighter. It's one of the reasons I'm willing to pay more for them.

    "nipple joystick"? All but the lightest of the Thinkpads have both trackpoint and touchpad controllers. Personally, I love the trackpoint and I have never managed to get the hang of a touchpad. The ability to leave my fingers near the home keys while moving the cursor is wonderful. I won't buy a laptop that doesn't have a trackpoint controller.

    The screen looks underwhelming as well.

    You should look at a Thinkpad screen in person. They tend to be the brightest and clearest displays I've ever seen. Few/no dead/hot pixels either. The resolution of this particular tablet is underwhelming, but I have two Thinkpads with 1600x1200 displays (a21p r50p) and I've never had a more comfortable display than those laptop displays. With subpixel antialiasing turned on, I've noted that I don't mind reading documents in electronic form. Normally, I find reading documents on a computer screen annoying and I print stuff pretty quickly to avoid it. Not if I'm at home using either of our Thinkpads.

    I'm not sure what the attraction is to these Thinkpads.

    IBM made the best designed and built laptop on the market, bar none. Like many others, I'm very interested to see whether Lenovo continues the trend or whether they drop the ball and drop the design standard down to the quality of the Dells, Toshibas and Gateways...

    Regards,
    Ross

  21. Re:shouldn't it say, IBM returns to tablet compute by WillAdams · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, it goes back to before OS/2.

    The original concept for the ThinkPad was for a pen slate (hence the name, the inspiration came from leather notepads IBM used to give out to employees w/ ``Think!'' embossed on them). You can get the backstory on this in the book _ThinkPad: A Different Shade of Blue, building an IBM brand_ or in Jerry Kaplan's book _StartUp_.

    Early models included the 701T, 703T and 730TE (slate models) and the 360PE (and a couple of other convertible models). At first they could run one's choice of Windows for Pen Computing (Win3.1 w/ HWR and some nifty pen-oriented apps) or PenPoint (but that was more expensive 'cause one had to pay the Microsoft ``tax'').

    William

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  22. And great support! by Tim+Doran · · Score: 3, Informative

    Warning - anecdote:

    My wife's 1998-vintage Thinkpad (well out of warranty) failed in late 2001. We sent it to a local shop for repairs - they replaced the motherboard at no charge (parts OR labor!) because IBM had had "trouble" with this motherboard before.

    When it failed again a year later, it was repaired again at no charge.

    You could argue that it shouldn't have failed in the first place (bad solder on a power connection), but you can't beat that support! I won't buy anything but a Thinkpad anymore.

  23. Yay, the Transnote lives on! by aquarian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always loved the Transnote, an older Thinkpad with an integrated art tablet. It was designed for architects, engineers, etc., who liked to be able to sketch things.

    Sign me up for one of these!