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World Intellectual Property Day

Dotnaught writes "The Business Software Alliance wants everyone to know that today is World Intellectual Property Day, 'an initiative to educate young people about how intellectual property rights foster innovation, creativity and economic opportunity.' To mark the occasion, CopyNight, a monthly gathering of people interested in restoring balance in copyright law, is hosting a get-together tonight in various cities throughout the U.S."

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  1. Examples? by Chemisor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, who wants to be the first to give us a list of all those wonderful inventions that would have never been invented if it wasn't for the copyright law?

    1. Re:Examples? by Mr+Ambersand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll take a stab at this...
      GCC
      BASH
      GNU/HURD
      Linux
      Minix

      Those are a few of the things which would not have been invented had it not been for copyright law and the restrictions surrounding the use and distribution of UNIX.

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  2. Copyright is outdated by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Copyright was intended as a way of protecting the rights of a person to their works. That is fine for something like a book etc.

    Software, particularly OSS, is very different. Much of the value in software is derived from all the testing etc that is done to prove the software and flush out the bugs. I have heard of this being compared to the "stone soup" story. Throw out any (sometimes crappy) software and let people give you feedback. Copyright only protects the interests of the authors - not of those who do all the testing etc. Often the value added by the testers etc is many times the value added by the original authors.

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    1. Re:Copyright is outdated by Dav3K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and as such Copywrite WAS fine, so long as the author was alive. Why the hell Disney needs copywrite on Mickey Mouse 70+ years after he is dead is beyond me.

      It's no longer fine for things like a book, etc. The whole system has been perverted by corporate interests and needs an overhaul.

    2. Re:Copyright is outdated by Noksagt · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Copyright was intended as a way of protecting the rights of a person to their works. That is fine for something like a book etc.
      Modern copyright probably starts with the Statute of Anne. It lasted 14 years, with an option to renew for another 14 years. Content consumers were granted freedom from publishers to do with their purchases as they wanted, but content creators were given the right to say who could publish (or republish) their works when, where, and how. This exclusive right was strong incentive to be a content creator. Society likes creation, but creation is costlier and possibly less profitable than copying. So it was a good thing.
      Software, particularly OSS, is very different.
      No. We also need to promote creation of software & granting creators the right to decide how their works might be copied is a still-used incentive. Granting consumer rights would not be enough.

      What is harmful is all of the stuff that has been added onto copyright law. With the DMCA, content consumers no longer can do whatever they want with their purchases! They've taken away explicit consumer rights in favor of the publishers. Also, no longer does a work pass into the public domain after 28 years, but is tied up in a vitually un-ending term which eclipses the conceivable lifetimes of the creators.

      I do believe that the economic lifetime of an individual piece of software is shorter than the books, plays, and music which the Statute of Anne protected. The rate of improvement is also much quicker. So an even shorter lifetime would make sense.

      However, I wouldn't say that copyrights are "outdated." Rather they are abused by some corporations/lobbyists.
  3. Economic opportunity maybe... by Artax · · Score: 2, Insightful
    but innovation and creativity?? Since when does ownership of ideas make people more innovative?

    The far more creative method of human thinking is to express ideas to as many people as possible and have those people alter and improve upon the original. One person sitting in a box alone will come up with boring ideas (unless they are crazy).

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    1. Re:Economic opportunity maybe... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Insightful
      but innovation and creativity?? Since when does ownership of ideas make people more innovative?
      Ownership of ideas encourages people to invest into research or creating an original work. Research can be a costly undertaking, and even an activity like writing a book requires the writer to invest a great deal of his time. Would a writer make that investment if he knew that anyone at all would be free to copy his work without compensation? Would companies do any research or keep the results of their research a secret, instead of publishing and licensing it?
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    2. Re:Economic opportunity maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course the writer bloody would, they are writing for the love of it, otherwise they would get a job counting beans or something.

      Why is it so hard for captialist pig dogs to grasp the simple concept that money != motivation, the accumulation of wealth is not the purpose of life.

      Writers write as they have a story they want to share with others.

      Companies would have to do research, or they wouldn't have anything to sell to keep them going. or do you think that when this happens now they should be able to make money by making up false legal accusations, ala SCO ?

      Creativity has bugger all to do with money.

    3. Re:Economic opportunity maybe... by rob_squared · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I hate to defend something like copyright, but the idea is to provide a sense of asfety. The idea is vaguely like a patent. If you don't have the rights to what you create, then somone can come in and use it easily and you'd have no legal recourse.

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    4. Re:Economic opportunity maybe... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, copyright is about the public interest, it's just being perverted out of greed and idiotic romantic notions about being an author.

      I don't think that it's all that beneficial now, but I do think that it's generally possible for it to beneficial to the public if done right.

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  4. Yay! by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's celebrate!

    There's so much to celebrate.

    Laws that allow others to lock their ideas away so no one can use them.

    Laws that allow organised price fixing.

    Laws that allow people to own ideas that should belong to everyone. Everything down to your own DNA has some form of IP on it.

    Rejoice world.

    Gimme a break!

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    1. Re:Yay! by Dan+Up+Baby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Laws that allow creators to benefit from their works.

      Laws that mean companies must innovate to succeed.

      Laws that allow people to own ideas that are the result of their time.

      Laws that incite people to go over the top at Drudge-esque lengths by claiming that somebody's going to copyright your DNA.

      Okay, well, I like the first three things.

    2. Re:Yay! by RagingR2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it doesn't profit me for creators to benefit from their works. In fact, that benefit probably derives from me, so in fact it's harmful. How can you justify harming me so?

      This is complete nonsense. Anyone who produces something is allowed to benefit from it. How is producing software any different? If you considering paying for stuff you use harmful, then maybe you shouldn't buy anything from now on... at all. But if you decide to keep buying stuff, be so kind to explain why paying for software is more harmful than paying for other things. The only difference is that with software you CAN use it without paying for it. But is that the only criterion? How can you be so self centered?

      Innovation is good, but refinement and commoditizing are also good. It's great to invent the first light bulb, but light bulbs are better when they last longer, are very inexpensive, are very cheap, and can be had anywhere or made by anyone. Innovation alone isn't enough, and so we must avoid encouraging it at the expense of all else.

      I think you're getting carried away. How is innovation encouraged at the expense of "everything" else? The one who invented the first light bulb probably didn't want people running in and out of the factory either. Of course, people were free to buy a light bulb in the store, study it closely and make a competing product. In your analogy maintaining ownership of intellectual property would mean that 25 years later there'd still only be 1 producer of light bulbs? Come one... the world doesn't work that way man. People can have the right to benefit from their own works and be stimulated to innovate even further without the loss of commodities you are talking about. Ideas will spread anyway as they have done in the past when there were copyright laws.

      why should we allow people to own an idea at all? Can you name an example of when we have done so? (n.b. inventions are not ideas; they're more refined and are much rarer)

      You want a reason why people should be able to own their intelligent work? Because some innovation requires a lot of money. Without the safety of returned investments, some innovations won't occur. We all like innovation don't we? Well, property of ideas is a great motivation to come up with one. I think you can think of plenty of examples both in the software market and in other markets.

    3. Re:Yay! by Dan+Up+Baby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it doesn't profit me for creators to benefit from their works. In fact, that benefit probably derives from me, so in fact it's harmful. How can you justify harming me so?

      It's not harming you, you're not entitled to their work. That's like saying Bill Gates is harming you by not letting you crash at his mansion(s). When George Lucas owning the rights to Star Wars shivs your parents, let me know and we'll work this out.

      Innovation is good, but refinement and commoditizing are also good. It's great to invent the first light bulb, but light bulbs are better when they last longer, are very inexpensive, are very cheap, and can be had anywhere or made by anyone. Innovation alone isn't enough, and so we must avoid encouraging it at the expense of all else.

      I'd argue that a better lightbulb is an innovation, too. Then you sell it, and the original lightbulb owner has to justify purchasing his product or fall under. He can make it cheaper--helping the consumer--or he can make it better--also helping the consumer. Remember, patents are granted for refinements of inventions, too.

      But that merely rewards people for spending time. If I spent a lot of time inventing the wheel, should I get to own the idea and charge you for driving to work? In fact, why should we allow people to own an idea at all? Can you name an example of when we have done so? (n.b. inventions are not ideas; they're more refined and are much rarer)

      By ideas I meant the typical intellectual properties; books, movies, music, etc.

    4. Re:Yay! by Trepalium · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Laws that allow creators to benefit from their works.
      A useful means for expanding the state of art and science.
      Laws that mean companies must innovate to succeed.
      Except when the protections and terms get longer and longer that companies can sit back and simply collect rent on their old creations. Reasonable limited terms are useful to ensure that this doesn't become the norm. As for the people who want copyrights to last so long that they can 'provide for the authors dependants', I don't know about you, but I have to work, if I want to eat.
      Laws that allow people to own ideas that are the result of their time.
      As long as those ideas must be renewed and expanded through market forces over time rather than just collecting monopoly rent in perpetuity.
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  5. Timing is crucial. by Foktip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Notice how they made it DURING EXAMS?

    That way, all those free-spirited, pirates will be too busy studying their asses off to give a hoot about it. "intellectual property day". LOL.

  6. Original Copyright by daigu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You mean all that innovation that comes from 1-Click software patents, the Happy Birthday song, Winnie the Pooh, etc.

    If you look at the Constitution, copyright covers: "[o]nly the writings and discoveries of authors and inventors...and then only to the end of promoting science and the useful arts."

    Original ideas should not become commodities that are transferred to purchasers and assignees - which is the problem with all the examples above.

  7. it's more important to remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    April 26 is the anniversary of Chernobyl. 3.2 million casualties.

    Now THAT's worth remembering.

  8. More like AllOfPayPal by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you buy music from allofmp3.com, none of that money goes to the artists.

    That's why you follow up by tipping the artist directly at allofpaypal.com, short-circuiting the vulture-capitalist labels.

  9. Re:A Bitter Protest Against Copyrights by RagingR2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they said there was no incentive to do good things unless the government could choose your religion ... or they said there is no incentive to grow food, unless farmers could rip up your garden ... most people would see these as the awful values that they are. But if they say that there is no incentive to make beneficial or creative works without the power to restrict what people copy (copyrights), then all too many people just take it on faith. They don't even question it, as if incentive makes rights, as if society would fall apart without them.

    This is a very strange comparison really. In the first case it's quite logical that people would protest; after all something important gets taken from you namely your potatoes or your freedom of religion (excuse me for the hilarity but they were YOUR examples). In the second case, all that is harmed is the right to own everything, even that what belongs to others. Since when is that a basic human right?

    But just as much of the Renaissance happened without copyrights so should the information age.

    This comparison is even stranger. If you don't see the essential difference then let me explain. In the information age, large groups of society depend on selling copyrighted material for their living, such as music, movies and software. In the period of Renaissance, there weren't. I love all your utopian idea's about absolute freedom of speech and everything being owned by the community instead of individuals, but are *you* gonna feed all those people that lose their jobs?

    The truth is that for every artist or writer that has made it "big", there are unmentioned thousands whom copyrights haven't helped a bit, hindered, or even destroyed. Some are even barred or sued from sharing their own creations in public, while others die with the world never truly knowing their artistic genius as the mass media drowns them out. Most creators are far better off sharing and distributing their creations freely to make a reputation for themselves.

    Yeah, and there are probably even more who make a living *thanks to* copyrights. Where do you get all these vaguely statistic statements? I'd like to see some figures here. And by claiming that creators are better of sharing everything for free, I understand that you yourself aren't depending on it for a living?

    You have some nice utopian ideas man. But I'm affraid it's never gonna work out. Collective property has been tried before and it didn't work... people got lazy because there was no motivation. Besides, I really wonder how you want to make all this happen without ridding huge groups of people of their daily source of income.

  10. Re:A Bitter Protest Against Copyrights by fearofcarpet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...In my humple opinion, only then can society reap the benefits the information age has to offer.

    Uhm, would you settle for better limits on copyright laws? If I understand correctly, you want to toss IP laws out the window because of draconian measures like the DMCA. That is sort of the definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I mean, patents, copyrights, trade secrets and the like are meant to allow people to protect their IP for a short time before it becomes public property. In my line of work, I'm basically paid for my ideas and I think I have a right to make a living at it, which wouldn't be possible if I weren't able to protect my ideas from being spun-off after I do all the hard work (too bad I can't get paid for run-on sentances and poor spelling).

    Let's say we had no IP laws. In our capitalist society there would be an entire industry created around snatching up the work of others and profiting on it. Imagine a company that scours the country for inventions that are just about to make it to market - but have no IP protection. They then swoop in at the last minute and bring the product to market, while I've invested all this capital inventing, testing, streamlining, etc. The same applies to copyrights... One could wander around compiling hit-songs by simply recording live performances and selling them before the artist can even make enough money to buy a CD burner... Moreover the level of secrecy that would have to be maintained in order to prevent the poaching of your ideas would stiffle progress and creativitiy as it would rob us of the right to "stand on the shoulders of giants" as it were.

    Now in the real world, copyright laws have gone too far. Companies do wander around finding the next greatest hit, but they sign artists into shit-end-of-the-stick contracts (sometimes going as far as "purchasing" the IP from the artist), lobby the government to extend copyrights indefinitely, and sue people who don't adhere to their square-peg-in-a-round-hole business model. Disney has managed to extend the copyright on Mickey for how long..? Drug companies are able to weasle out of patent restrictions through a myriad of poorly thought out laws (often drafted by the very lobbiest that represent said drug companies) and when that doesn't work they just ban re-importation from countries that don't respect those poorly written laws.

    Look at it this way; I should have the right to make a career out of creating things. If those thigns happen to be ideas, I should still be able to make a living at it. What if, at the end of the month, everyone's paychecks were dropped from an airplane and the first person to the bank had the right to cash them? Would that be fair?

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