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Publisher Wiley's Books Pulled from Apple Stores

getling writes "Looks like Steve Jobs is almost as unhappy about personal details being publicized as he is with Mac secrets. The book publisher Wiley, who is releasing a new unauthorized biography of Jobs has had its entire line of books banned from Apple stores as a result of their unhappiness with the content of the book. Wiley, publisher of the popular Dummies series of books, as well as the Bible series, is quite surprised, due to the fact that they view the book to show Jobs in a largely positive light ..."

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  1. Rosebud! by SYFer · · Score: 5, Funny

    "That's all he ever wanted out of life... was love. That's the tragedy of Charles Foster Kane. You see, he just didn't have any to give."

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    "...all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness..." yada yada
  2. Irony... by soapbox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So isn't Apple/Steve sort of making the 'mercurial' and 'hot-tempered' point for the author? While the Woz has said that Jobs never treated him badly, he admitted that many people said they'd never work for Jobs again because of alleged mistreatment by Jobs (check out the mp3 of the HOPE keynote from 2004, in the Q&A, where an audience member asks about Jobs' behavior).

    1. Re:Irony... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Informative

      From "Broken Breakout Promises" which was the only other place that seemed to have the entire quote about the money, comes this bit to put it into context over the course of time.

      It wasn't the money that bothered Woz. Had Jobs asked, Wozniak would have done the project for free because he was turned on by such technological challenges. What hurt was being misled by his friend. Looking back on the incident, Wozniak realized Jobs' behavior was completely in character. "Steve had worked in surplus electronics and said if you can buy a part for 30 cents and sell it to this guy at the surplus store for $6, you don't have to tell him what you paid for it. It's worth $6 to the guy. And that was his philosophy of running a business," says Wozniak.

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      You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
  3. If he doesn't like the spotlight by Belzu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....He should step away from it....

  4. Silly me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    And I thought the Book of Jobs was all about putting up with suffering without complaint.

    Book of Job? .. Oops.

  5. Repeat after me by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While interesting,

    - Apple is not the government (therefore, any ridiculous cries of censorship are just a wee tad bit overboard)
    - Apple can do what it wants with its own corporate stores
    - Yes, this may result in more copies of the book being sold, but consider that this is not an effort to "suppress" the book; it's merely a retaliatory move. Apple is under no obligation whatsover, implied or otherwise, to carry any publisher's books.

    In short, business as usual and a BIG yawner:

    "It's certainly not unprecedented for a company to protest publication of a book or article it finds unflattering.

    IBM, for instance, staged a six-year advertising boycott of Fortune magazine after then-Chief Executive Louis V. Gerstner took exception to a 1997 cover story.

    More recently, General Motors withdrew its ads from the Los Angeles Times in protest of an April 6 review of its Pontiac G6."


    (From the Mercury News story)

    Think what you want, but businesses shouldn't be forced to support other businesses they disagree with.

    Further, it looks like there's a referrer in the submitter's amazon link. :-(

    1. Re:Repeat after me by Dhalka226 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple is under no obligation whatsover, implied or otherwise, to carry any publisher's books.

      No legal obligation, perhaps. What about obligation to their shareholders? They didn't just pull the book they don't care for--they pulled ALL of the books by this publisher. Wiley is a HUGE publisher and publishes the highly-successful "...For Dummies" series as well as many others.

      Apple isn't pulling these books for some great social good. They're not protesting anything that anybody can see except, apparently, the audacity of somebody to dare write a book about Steve Jobs. And to make this point they're pulling a successful publisher from their stores which is obviously going to cost them money and, very likely, stock price. Do they have no obligation to those people who own parts of their company?

  6. Re:The private life of public figures. by fname · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Number 1, they are not "his" stores. As CEO of Apple, he has a fiduciary responsible to Apple's owners (i.e., the shareholders). Pulling Wiley's books does not uphold this in any way; Steve Jobs is not Apple.

    Before anyone gets on their high horse... Maybe what you meant was before anyone else gets on their high horse? Consider this. Ten Speed Press has published a book called, "How Wal*Mart is Destroying the World." Ten Speed press has published other books such as "Better than Chocolate: 50 Proven Ways to Feel Happier." Guess what--- Wal*Mart happens to sell that book. Even the Most Evil Corporation on the Planet (TM) hasn't stooped down to Apple's level.

    So root for your Apple if that makes you feel good; they have every right to pull those books. But ask yourself this: what good has ever come from governments or corporations bullying the press? Are their citizens or customers somehoe better served? Will I have a better experience at The Apple Store because Apple has decided to pull some Mac books not because of their content but in retalitiation?

    I say all this a long-time Mac user, Apple shareholder and overall fan of the company. But Apple is doing no good by this act, and it only serves to make Apple a certified bully. Think Different, indeed.

  7. Re:referrer in amazon link? by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone who is a part of their referral program, I can say that is definitely NOT an affiliate link. It's just part of Amazon.

    The ref tag is rarely used for referral linking, and when it does, it looks something like "ref=ase_dealmeinnet-20" rather than that. I'm pretty sure that whenever the ref tag is used in regards to the affiliate program, it has ase in front of the affiliate tag.

    This is an affiliate link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471720836/ ref=nosim/dealmeinnet-20/ Note that the ref tag here is set to "nosim". That means that you don't get the item preview page, it brings you directly to the book page. The actual affiliate tag (dealmeinnet-20 in this case) came as a separate part of the URL.

  8. I think it would bother me more if... by Omnifarious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it would bother me a lot more if this meant that nobody got to see it. But Apple's economic power isn't that high. It still bothers me a little though.

    I believe firmly in the freedom of individuals to engage in whatever contracts they find mutually beneficial. But, I'm not so sure about a big, powerful public corporation. I think as organizations get larger and more powerful, they become more government-like. You die just as surely whether you starve because nobody will sell you food or someone shoots you.

  9. Re:referrer in amazon link? by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Here is a ref-free sanitized link:"

    Yeah, you wouldn't want the guy bringing you information that you found interesting to be rewarded or anything.

    The attitude some of you have about referrals really makes me sick. Never mind that this whole SITE that's bringing you this news article you find so fucking interesting is supported by ads.

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    "Derp de derp."
  10. Steve Jobs & Apple aren't synonymous by fname · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to this, Steve Jobs owns 10.1 million shares (that figure may be pre-split) of Apple, or 1.2% of those outstanding. 10 million of those are restricted shares granted to him by Apple. Mr. Jobs had sold off all but one of his shares he received from the Next merger soon after it happened.

    So he's nowhere near a "majority" owner, and is only the second largest individual shareholder; at least 10 institutions control a bigger stake than Leader, aka Steve Jobs.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs & Apple aren't synonymous by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I concede the point :-)

      Simon.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs & Apple aren't synonymous by fname · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait a second, you can't concede the point. This is Slashdot, dammit. If people start conceding points the whole system could come crashing down!

      Flames! Trolls! Unspported facts! That's what Slashdot is about, not mature responses like conceding points; the system isn't set up to handle that!

  11. Come on People, Let's RTFA by bloodstar · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Keep in mind, the entire threat that was plied against J. Wiley & Sons was "Do not publish the book or we will stop carrying any of your works" There was no effort to have the book shipped to the various Apple stores (and even if there were, it would have been a simple matter for apple to quietly ship them back). This is simply a strong arm tactic when Apple decided to do some dick waving and Wiley called them on it. Now Apple can either continue to give the book free publicity and at the same time deny it's customer base access to some damn good reference books (in Apple stores, as I'm sure Borders or B&N Would be happy to sell you their reference stores); or they can sit down, and shut up, and in a few months (or years) quietly let the Wiley titles back into their stores.

    There will be no issue of lawsuit against the author or Wiley, unless somehow there were libel statements made in the book. The truth can't be libel, by definition. Remember once you're a public figure, you have a more limited right to privacy than otherwise is the case (It's may not seem fair, but those who wish to have the spotlight shined upon them, will sometimes have to accept the spotlight when it's not welcome).

    -Mark

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  12. Balanced.. by Flaming+Death · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is _not_ a troll. It is a very sincere post questioning the readers of slashdot - it makes me wonder about the level of slashdot criticism.

    If this were a MS story of Bill Gates doing the same, there would be the usual crazy outbreak of 'MS evil empire' type banter. However, because its Apple , the response is a mild - 'oh its ok, hes the Apple man hes allowed to'. Where is the balance? I think somewhere in between to be honest - Jobs and Gates are simply very ruthless business persons, and yet here at Slashdot there is a decided overflow towards Apple.

    Is it the OSX thing - its not a free OS.. its not Open, so why the fanaticism, is it because its most Linux like? Windows has cygwin.. and I know a large number of IT specialists whom use it, but Windows is always rated as poor and irrevlevant (by the slashdot community), yet it is the most used desktop, by a rediculous majority? So where is the balance? Where is the even levelled intelligent arguments for both sides, that usually make for a great discussion?

    The more I visit here the more I see very common attitudes:
    - Apple and OSX rules, and every other platform/OS sux.
    - MS are evil and Windows sux.. but Xbox rules (this one has always been a bit of a conundrum - this must imply MS are less evil than Sony?)..
    - Sony are evil and PS2 is crap..
    - Linux and all Unix's are above all the best OS's and everything else is crap..
    - Any programming language that isnt C++ like or OO is crap..

    The above is a mere sample of generalisations and these are the usual source of flame wars. But the important thing about these topics, is that taking an opposing stance usually means getting flamed, chastised, or ridiculed.. It is even more interesting that moderators dont try to keep the discussion balanced, Im sure it would result in much better (more interesting) discussions, and a lot less ' is crap, or it sux'.

    This leads me to one fairly basic conclusion. Most of the people posting on Slashdot these days are young, easily impressionable males, that have little sense or understanding of two sides of a discussion and generally are very one-eyed about subjects with little or no flexibilty to gauge information as valid or relevant.

  13. Positive Light?!? by JasdonLe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Does *this* look positive to you?

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  14. Re:Maybe it's the "iCon" title by TheoMurpse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is everyone missing that "icon" can mean an important figure in history?

  15. Re:Selling 30 cent parts for $6 by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I pay a buck for a 24 oz. Coke in a cup at the local convenience store I know their cost was about three cents, and two of those were for the cup.

    I also know it's still a good enough deal for me, because a 16 oz. Coke in a bottle is going to cost me more.I'll pay the buck.

    It's good business all around, even though I'm paying more than I theoretically need to for the Coke.

    If, however, I own and operate a convenience store, drink Cokes at three cents a pop out of the business profits, but charge my financial partner a buck a Coke when he comes into the store and stick 97 cents of it in my own pocket, that isn't "good business." That's being a scum sucking bastard.

    KFG

  16. You are a good little corporate citizen by JoeBuck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You think that there is something morally wrong with an "unauthorized" biography? What kind of a tool are you, anyway? This is a democracy; a free press is not some annoying thing we have to put up with, it's something we fought for. "Unauthorized" biographies are the only kind worth reading.

    Apple is not refusing to sell just this book; it is refusing to sell any of the large number of Mac books put out by this publisher. The decision will cost the shareholders money, as the Apple stores profited on each book sold, and they sold quite a few.

    Now, it's not horrible and evil, so I'll agree with you there. It's merely massively stupid, and the press that this move has gotten will improve the book sales.

  17. Re:Funny you should mention this by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 5, Funny

    My big problem with iPhoto is the way it insists on moving all the JPEGs around and naming them according to its own whims.

    That's iPhoto's purpose in life. Your objection is like saying, "My big problem with Excel is the way it adds all the numbers together."

    Just out of my own curiosity ... are you also one of those guys who complains that iTunes organizes your music for you? I ask because those guys are impossible for me to understand. We rolled out a product that was basically the holy grail of music management, and they complained that it managed their music for them. They insisted that they would rather name and sort each of 20,000 tiny files themselves, with all the obsessive focus of an autistic kid counting paper clips. It was freaky.