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Publisher Wiley's Books Pulled from Apple Stores

getling writes "Looks like Steve Jobs is almost as unhappy about personal details being publicized as he is with Mac secrets. The book publisher Wiley, who is releasing a new unauthorized biography of Jobs has had its entire line of books banned from Apple stores as a result of their unhappiness with the content of the book. Wiley, publisher of the popular Dummies series of books, as well as the Bible series, is quite surprised, due to the fact that they view the book to show Jobs in a largely positive light ..."

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  1. referrer in amazon link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That Amazon link looks like it contains a referrer - it has "ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14". That returns over 6000 hits on google, so either it's part of Amazon's system, or whoever provided it is making a lot of money off it. Here is a ref-free sanitized link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471 720836

    1. Re:referrer in amazon link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd like to know who I'm supporting. So, yes, it does matter.

    2. Re:referrer in amazon link? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd like to know who I'm supporting.

      Interesting. So do you think about who you're supporting every time you purchase a book from a store? Or how about when you buy a can of green beans from the SuperMarket? Do you know who you're supporting when you buy a piece of furnature at the store? How about when you watch ads on TV?

      Generally, the answer is always a "no" or a "sort of". There are so many people behind the scenes who make these things happen, that there's no way to account for all of them. If you want to boycott someone, your best solution is to first target them, then investigate where they derive money, then organize a boycott around their chokepoint. Your alternative of trying to divine the man behind the curtain in all instances, is both tedious and pointless.

      But hey, it's your time and energy.

    3. Re:referrer in amazon link? by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone who is a part of their referral program, I can say that is definitely NOT an affiliate link. It's just part of Amazon.

      The ref tag is rarely used for referral linking, and when it does, it looks something like "ref=ase_dealmeinnet-20" rather than that. I'm pretty sure that whenever the ref tag is used in regards to the affiliate program, it has ase in front of the affiliate tag.

      This is an affiliate link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471720836/ ref=nosim/dealmeinnet-20/ Note that the ref tag here is set to "nosim". That means that you don't get the item preview page, it brings you directly to the book page. The actual affiliate tag (dealmeinnet-20 in this case) came as a separate part of the URL.

    4. Re:referrer in amazon link? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I use a coupon to buy a can of green beans at the supermarket then you are damn right I think about where the coupon came from and how it came to be in my posession. Does my use of the coupon generate a kick-back to some information broker? Does it cause an update to a secret "consumer profile" that I have little chance of ever seeing myself?

      And before you go off and say how amazon referrers are different, you should of that of that before making the reference to a B&M store in the first place.

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    5. Re:referrer in amazon link? by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Here is a ref-free sanitized link:"

      Yeah, you wouldn't want the guy bringing you information that you found interesting to be rewarded or anything.

      The attitude some of you have about referrals really makes me sick. Never mind that this whole SITE that's bringing you this news article you find so fucking interesting is supported by ads.

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    6. Re:referrer in amazon link? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The vast majority of visitors to this site fully support firefox, which lets you "hurt" this site by supporting the adblock extension."

      Leech.

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    7. Re:referrer in amazon link? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Okkkaaayyyy... And why is the referrer such a big problem again?"

      Advertising in general has been abused. Flash ads, pop-up sites, adverts that look like news, etc. A lot of people are sick of them, so they've developed a bad attitude about advertising in general. You see, it's too hard to distinguish between advertising and abusive advertising. It's easier to remember to hate 'ads'. Never mind that those very ads basically provide services to you that you don't have to pay out of pocket for (i.e. television, radio, Slashdot...), a few people ruined ads for EVERYBODY.

      Somehow, referrals fell into this trap, too. Evidently, it's okay to buy a book, but it's not okay to buy the book from the guy who convinced you to buy it. I probably wouldn't be replying if the choice was between buying it and not buying it, but stripping the referal information out? WTF? Talk about judgement mis-fire.

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    8. Re:referrer in amazon link? by Jayzz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have no problem with let someone have get his reward when he provides me useful info.

      What I'm afraid of is that it might lead to barrage of useless links popping up here hoping to lure some of us so that he can get paid, just like spam.

    9. Re:referrer in amazon link? by kyojin+the+clown · · Score: 2, Funny

      blimey, i amazed you have any money to actually buy things with. i mean, you can't possibly have time for a job, with all the time you must spend hiding your identity from your supermarket.

    10. Re:referrer in amazon link? by getling · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interesting discussion on speculation about something that I have no clue about. For those that are curious, I am indeed NOT making any money off this link - it was pulled via amazon.com's own search function. Try it yourself and see.

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  2. Rosebud! by SYFer · · Score: 5, Funny

    "That's all he ever wanted out of life... was love. That's the tragedy of Charles Foster Kane. You see, he just didn't have any to give."

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    "...all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness..." yada yada
  3. Irony... by soapbox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So isn't Apple/Steve sort of making the 'mercurial' and 'hot-tempered' point for the author? While the Woz has said that Jobs never treated him badly, he admitted that many people said they'd never work for Jobs again because of alleged mistreatment by Jobs (check out the mp3 of the HOPE keynote from 2004, in the Q&A, where an audience member asks about Jobs' behavior).

    1. Re:Irony... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Woz has said that Jobs never treated him badly

      That's not the case. Jobs screwed Wozniac when they created Breakout for Atari. Jobs pocketed the entire $5,000 bonus and half the $700 he was offered. Woz got $350 and none of the design bonus for the work he alone did.

    2. Re:Irony... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Informative

      From "Broken Breakout Promises" which was the only other place that seemed to have the entire quote about the money, comes this bit to put it into context over the course of time.

      It wasn't the money that bothered Woz. Had Jobs asked, Wozniak would have done the project for free because he was turned on by such technological challenges. What hurt was being misled by his friend. Looking back on the incident, Wozniak realized Jobs' behavior was completely in character. "Steve had worked in surplus electronics and said if you can buy a part for 30 cents and sell it to this guy at the surplus store for $6, you don't have to tell him what you paid for it. It's worth $6 to the guy. And that was his philosophy of running a business," says Wozniak.

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    3. Re:Irony... by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have found that if you price stuff cheap, people think the product is cheap and won't buy it

      I own a company that sells graphics software and we ran head-on into this exact issue. We sell (for PC) high end image manipulation and special effects software, think of Photoshop but faster, deeper and with considerably more features. Very technical, not nearly as warm and fuzzy as Photoshop. It is aimed at image freaks, not just people who like to putter about with photos and graphic art. Just as a for instance, PS supports 20-odd layer modes, we do 70-odd. Definitely a niche product, but a niche product where the niches are large. So anyway, when we originally released it, it was $499 and sold just fine. Later, as we got down the ROI curve, we began to drop the price. Kept selling just fine until we dropped it to below $99.95... then sales dropped off sharply. After a month of just about dead silence, a little bemused, more than a little worried, we raised the price back to $99.95 and zap, sales came right back.

      After tossing this issue about for a while, we built an "on sale" automation that offered it for $49.95 if you had (anything at all from Corel, Adobe, JASC, including demo software or free software like a PDF reader... and in fact we don't even check for the presence of such stuff) but "just until 2-3 days from now." Sales went up even further. So $79.95 was a perception threshold we could not cross, but $49.95 is a good as long as the perception was that they should be paying more.

      The fact is, we really tried to sell the software for less, but consumers wouldn't allow it. What can you do?

      At this point in time, I'd be more than delighted to sell it for $19.95 if I could see a sufficient number of sales to justify it. But I am not at all convinced that those sales would materialize.

      People sure are funny. :-)

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  4. If he doesn't like the spotlight by Belzu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....He should step away from it....

    1. Re:If he doesn't like the spotlight by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ... all this does is shine a REALLY BIG spotlight on it ...

      Another example of the law of unintended consequences. Mr. Jobs, meet Mr. Murphy. He also has a law you should know about.

    2. Re:If he doesn't like the spotlight by suyashs · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard he refuses to install Tiger and insists on running Mac OS X 10.3.9...

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  5. The private life of public figures. by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Personally I'd be damn annoyed if people started publicising my illnesses, my past and my private life as well. For the second time no less! There's this myth that if you're a public figure you're not entitled to a private life. Bollocks.

    Speech is (and IMHO ought to be!) free, and the publishers are well within their rights to go against a man's wishes about his biography. Steve is also well within his rights to tell the publishers that they'll not sell a damn thing in his bookstores from now on.

    My sympathies are with the man whose life they're laying bare (irrespective of how they cast it) rather than the money-grabbing publishing house. "Quite surprised" is a laugh as well - they sent the proofs to Apple for approval and were asked to withhold publishing. WTF did they expect ?

    One of the things that seems to have been lost along the route to our western democracy is that actions have consequences. I'm made up that the act of publishing this book will cause them financial pain - perhaps it'll be as annoying to them as it obviously is to Steve that they've gone ahead and published. Perhaps it'll make them think twice about doing the same thing again...

    Before anyone gets on their high horse about the 'public's right to know', again, Bollocks. The public has a right to know if a public figure abuses his/her position - completely agree with that. On the other hand, this rather distasteful desire to simply nose into other peoples lives is a sad fact of the human condition today.

    Simon.

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    1. Re:The private life of public figures. by happyemoticon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree, and would add that for a publisher of tech manuals to start putting out this kind of celebrity drivel is bad form. I don't know if making manuals is their only business, and granted they aren't that straight-laced to begin with, but come on.

      Besides, most people don't go to Apple retail stores to buy books, they go there to buy Macs, so this is really more of a slap on the wrist than anything else.

    2. Re:The private life of public figures. by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny
      for a publisher of tech manuals to start putting out this kind of celebrity drivel is bad form
      As long as O'Reilly doesn't start doing that shit ... I really don't want to read "Steve Jobs in a Nutshell" or "The Steve Jobs Cookbook".
    3. Re:The private life of public figures. by fname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Number 1, they are not "his" stores. As CEO of Apple, he has a fiduciary responsible to Apple's owners (i.e., the shareholders). Pulling Wiley's books does not uphold this in any way; Steve Jobs is not Apple.

      Before anyone gets on their high horse... Maybe what you meant was before anyone else gets on their high horse? Consider this. Ten Speed Press has published a book called, "How Wal*Mart is Destroying the World." Ten Speed press has published other books such as "Better than Chocolate: 50 Proven Ways to Feel Happier." Guess what--- Wal*Mart happens to sell that book. Even the Most Evil Corporation on the Planet (TM) hasn't stooped down to Apple's level.

      So root for your Apple if that makes you feel good; they have every right to pull those books. But ask yourself this: what good has ever come from governments or corporations bullying the press? Are their citizens or customers somehoe better served? Will I have a better experience at The Apple Store because Apple has decided to pull some Mac books not because of their content but in retalitiation?

      I say all this a long-time Mac user, Apple shareholder and overall fan of the company. But Apple is doing no good by this act, and it only serves to make Apple a certified bully. Think Different, indeed.

    4. Re:The private life of public figures. by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed Steve Jobs ain't Apple. I'd be willing to bet he had a lot more shares than you or I do though - or pretty much anyone actually. I have no idea how many shares he owns, but he's probably the majority shareholder...

      I guess I'm a bit confused by the rest of your post - "Apple has every right to pull those books", but you label them worst than The Most Evil Corporation On The Planet because of it. If they're entitled, let 'em. As I said, actions have consequences, and Apple will have their own consequences from their own actions.

      And Apple (last I checked) is not a government - if they want don't want to support X, it's entirely up to them. Also, this is not bullying (which is a first-action thing - ie: the agressor is the instigator), this is retaliation (ie: defence) and I for one have no problem with it.

      Simon

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    5. Re:The private life of public figures. by Fulkkari · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Steve Jobs is not Apple.

      Are you sure? What would Apple be without Steve Jobs? ...Absolutely nothing.

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    6. Re:The private life of public figures. by bataras · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>Steve is also well within his rights to tell the publishers that they'll not sell a damn thing in his bookstores from now on.

      *his* bookstores? Where?

    7. Re:The private life of public figures. by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      [sigh] I wasn't really confused - I was trying to point out that there was a gaping chasm between "it makes them worse than The Most Evil Corporation On The Planet", and "they're entitled to do what they did". The reasoning doesn't follow. I was well aware it was Wal*Mart he was calling evil.

      I guess you could say that if Wal*Mart don't withdraw books because of the bottom line, then their sole allegiance is to their bottom line. I guess you could say that Apple have applied a more principled outlook - that they will not support (even at their own expense) vendors hostile to them. Which is best will depend on your worldview.

      Of course, like everyone else here I've not read the book, so I don't know what caused such offence - it could have been the decision to "publish and be damned" itself, or some content within the books.

      As for over-rated. Have you seen Apples stock prices since he came back ? Under-rated more like!

      Simon.

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    8. Re:The private life of public figures. by chrysrobyn · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Number 1, they are not "his" stores. As CEO of Apple, he has a fiduciary responsible to Apple's owners (i.e., the shareholders). Pulling Wiley's books does not uphold this in any way; Steve Jobs is not Apple.

      Steve Jobs is Apple. When Apple hired Jobs, they hired his charisma, his contacts, his reputation, his expertise. The CEO of every company is a figurehead, a spokesperson, a representative in every way. If Steve believes that this book casts his leadership in a negative way, then it is very easy to believe that it casts the company in the same negative way.

      I say all this a long-time Mac user, Apple shareholder and overall fan of the company.

      So you know something about the Apple's Reality Distortion Field. Wait, no, that didn't happen when Jobs wasn't there. Right. It's Jobs' Reality Distortion Field. The man is the company.

      But ask yourself this: what good has ever come from governments or corporations bullying the press?

      Do you believe that Apple / Jobs are bullying Wiley? Do you honestly think that Apple's online store is responsible for a noticable percentage of Wiley's sales? I've seen their books in almost every English book store I've walked into in the past 5 or 10 years. When you go to the Apple store, you buy hardware. You buy books at bn.com, amazon.com or your local bookstore / coffee shop.

    9. Re:The private life of public figures. by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But ask yourself this: what good has ever come from governments or corporations bullying the press?

      God forbid we should continue to live in a free market. Who the hell cares what good comes of it? Everybody involved in this mess is making decisions that they are 100% entitled to make. Wiley publishes a book Apple doesn't like? Apple ceases to line Wiley's pockets. Give and take, free market.

      Will I have a better experience at The Apple Store because Apple has decided to pull some Mac books not because of their content but in retalitiation?

      Are you going to stop buying Apple products or shopping at Apple stores over this? If so, then you're what I think the economists call a "fragile customer." (I'm not sure I have that term right. I'm remembering twenty-year-old lectures here.) In other words, your commitment to the vendor was so shallow that the slightest thing would have tipped you one way or the other. Price goes up $5? You're outta there. Traffic on the way to the store? You're outta there. Don't like Steve Jobs' latest haircut? You're outta there.

      Companies write off customers like that all the time. It's part of the cost of doing business.

      Apple's customers, however, are almost exclusively people who are not like that. Apple has spectacularly high brand loyalty according to market research. Sales don't fluctuate very much at all, not even when prices go up significantly. It's not an economic get-out-of-jail-free card, but it means that Apple, as a company, doesn't really need to give a shit about customers who storm out in a huff because we severed a relationship with a third party.

      (Incidentally, Nikon has exactly the same kind of customer base.)

    10. Re:The private life of public figures. by fm6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      He said that Apple did something that WalMart wouldn't do. That's not the same as saying that Apple is more evil than WalMart. By that logic, I'm more evil than Hitler, because he was kind to children, and I'm always mean to them.

    11. Re:The private life of public figures. by js7a · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you think Apple would be in the (incredibly good) position it's in today without Jobs' leadership, you're delusional.
      While it is difficult for me to take an assertion in the form of a psychiatric diagnosis based on a single indicator which any reasonable person would agree is merely a matter of opinion, have you considered that Jobs is not without his faults?

      Jobs' kid-gloves attitude towards Microsoft in hopes of getting another handout (did I say handout? I mean "investment," yeah, that's the ticket) limits the market share to people who are either predisposed towards Apple to begin with, or willing to go to the trouble to determine whether the advantages are worth the premium. This reinforces the premium, because if Jobs were to compete agressively, then the increased economies of scale would reduce the premium.

      This kind of personal bullshit is bad enough, but the fact that Jobs doesn't put the security risks and security record of Microsoft operating systems and applications into every other Apple ad is just inexcusable. There are plenty of people who could do better, and I hope the Board starts interviewing.

      I'm sure Jobs would be happier at Pixar full-time. What is all this crap about suing everyone in sight who doesn't obey every NDA whether or not they ever knew about it let alone signed it? That's find for a movie production studio, but alienating journalists is just plain stupid for manufacturing hardware or software.

    12. Re:The private life of public figures. by Scudsucker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, and Apple went through how many CEO's after Jobs was outted? And how much success did those CEO's have in directing the company? Sure there are others who could run the company as capably, but it's not as easy as you make it sound. "Marketing level alone" indeed.

  6. Silly me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    And I thought the Book of Jobs was all about putting up with suffering without complaint.

    Book of Job? .. Oops.

  7. Two words. by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Publicity. Stunt.

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  8. Repeat after me by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While interesting,

    - Apple is not the government (therefore, any ridiculous cries of censorship are just a wee tad bit overboard)
    - Apple can do what it wants with its own corporate stores
    - Yes, this may result in more copies of the book being sold, but consider that this is not an effort to "suppress" the book; it's merely a retaliatory move. Apple is under no obligation whatsover, implied or otherwise, to carry any publisher's books.

    In short, business as usual and a BIG yawner:

    "It's certainly not unprecedented for a company to protest publication of a book or article it finds unflattering.

    IBM, for instance, staged a six-year advertising boycott of Fortune magazine after then-Chief Executive Louis V. Gerstner took exception to a 1997 cover story.

    More recently, General Motors withdrew its ads from the Los Angeles Times in protest of an April 6 review of its Pontiac G6."


    (From the Mercury News story)

    Think what you want, but businesses shouldn't be forced to support other businesses they disagree with.

    Further, it looks like there's a referrer in the submitter's amazon link. :-(

    1. Re:Repeat after me by ensignyu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The size of the company plays a part, though. If IBM or General Motors stops buying ads in a newspaper, it'll hurt, but probably not enough to convince the newspaper to significantly edit its content to appease corporations -- well, no more than usual, anyways. Likewise, Apple is not a major seller of computer books, even in the context of Mac-related books, so I wouldn't think it would have a big effect on Wiley.

      But when you get to a point where a boycott could do serious damage -- which tends to be the point of a boycott, although this case is more symbolic than anything -- then I'd say there ought to be a really good reason for it.

    2. Re:Repeat after me by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Think what you want, but businesses shouldn't be forced to support other businesses they disagree with.

      They're trying to forcefully strongarm the actions of another company. In this case it isn't even for corporate self-interests, but rather for someone's ego, which makes it all the more insidious. Customers should be aware of this sort of coercion (which I think is the whole reason why this is news).

      In the case of the instances that you provided, GM overtly changing advertising based upon the friendliness of reviews is a disturbing precedent, and it undermines the credibility of anything positive stated about them (in my town, a suburb of a large metropolitan, the local paper is nothing but recast fawning fluff press releases, and beside each one are ads from the respective companies). Maybe that's just fair business, but when you're hoping for a critical, honest press that isn't a great thing.

      Further, it looks like there's a referrer in the submitter's amazon link. :-(

      I would really love to know what is going through people's heads when they complain about something like this. Seriously, so what? Would it be better for you if it contained no referral, the only difference being that Amazon makes more? Unless you're an Amazon shareholder, I don't get what the issue is (unless it's jealousy).

    3. Re:Repeat after me by quantaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While interesting,

      - Apple is not the government (therefore, any ridiculous cries of censorship are just a wee tad bit overboard)


      Censorship is censorship

      The only slack I give apple is because they aren't a major book seller and thus don't have the same stiffling effect on speech.

      In short, business as usual and a BIG yawner:

      "It's certainly not unprecedented for a company to protest publication of a book or article it finds unflattering.

      IBM, for instance, staged a six-year advertising boycott of Fortune magazine after then-Chief Executive Louis V. Gerstner took exception to a 1997 cover story.

      More recently, General Motors withdrew its ads from the Los Angeles Times in protest of an April 6 review of its Pontiac G6."


      Ahh yes, major corporations bullying the media is the norm and is something I should be comfortable with. A corporation has no buisness using its advertising dollars for the purchase of advertisments to try and influence positive press outside the scope of the ad itself. I certainly hope that Fortune magazine and the LA Times didn't let that influence their writing.

      Yes corporations have a legal obligation to make money however they can, just remember that we have a moral obligation to slap them in the face whenever they attempt to censor speech. I love apple and hate microsoft but I can't help that note that to my knowledge MS hasn't threatened to stop buying ads unless ./ runs more positive stories about them.

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    4. Re:Repeat after me by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "They're trying to forcefully strongarm the actions of another company"

      Huh? When did THIS happen? Did somebody go with guns to the publishers' homes and forcefully strongarm them into doing something?

      Hell no.

      Wiley is free to publish. Nobody's stopping them. They are not entitled to Apple's shelf space in the copy of the Constitution I'm looking at.

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    5. Re:Repeat after me by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did somebody go with guns to the publishers' homes and forcefully strongarm them into doing something?

      Right...and it isn't theft unless it's a physical object...I get it.

      So Steve Jobs having a pissy fit, using Apple as his personal playground, dumping an entire publisher of books that Apple has long carried because they want to send a message to other publishers (that they'd better dump writers that might say something not-nice about Apple or, ridiculously, Jobs), is just normal everyday business. Uh huh.

      They are not entitled to Apple's shelf space in the copy of the Constitution I'm looking at.

      You know it is absolutely fascinating that the dyed in the wool Apple nuts keep bringing this up. Well you do realize that the constitution also grants people the right to CRITICIZE THEM FOR DOING IT, right? No one is calling for the army to shut down Apple, they're just saying that it's a really shitty thing to do.

      So until you hear someone calling for the government to force them to sell these books, shut the trap about the constitution or free speech, because it is completely and absolutely irrelevant.

    6. Re:Repeat after me by Dhalka226 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple is under no obligation whatsover, implied or otherwise, to carry any publisher's books.

      No legal obligation, perhaps. What about obligation to their shareholders? They didn't just pull the book they don't care for--they pulled ALL of the books by this publisher. Wiley is a HUGE publisher and publishes the highly-successful "...For Dummies" series as well as many others.

      Apple isn't pulling these books for some great social good. They're not protesting anything that anybody can see except, apparently, the audacity of somebody to dare write a book about Steve Jobs. And to make this point they're pulling a successful publisher from their stores which is obviously going to cost them money and, very likely, stock price. Do they have no obligation to those people who own parts of their company?

  9. Bill Gates and Microsoft by dgmckay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree that these guys have a right to some privacy. Most interesting to me is that the comments here on /. are generally supportive so far. What a different thread it would be if this had been Bill Gates and Microsoft instead of Steve Jobs and Apple.

  10. Apple==Steve Jobs? by mah! · · Score: 2, Informative
    Apple is reacting to an unauthorized publication about Jobs? It does not make sense: unless it is about today's Apple directly?

    Did Wiley want to sell it in Apple stores (even that would have been, at most, a bit weird) ? With all respect to Apple's hardware and software products, such an action as banning the entire publishing house from stores sound absurdly inappropriate.

    Check for yourself the sample chapter at least, to see whether it's such an outrageous book or not.

  11. Good thing they didn't criticize a politican by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    They'd have all their books banned from the Library of Congress.

    I wonder if that's what Sen. Trist meant by "Nuclear Option"?

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  12. Jobs replies by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny
    Mr. Jobs, meet Mr. Murphy. He also has a law you should know about.

    Mr. Murphy, meet the Apple Legal Department. They know a thing or two about interpreting the law to my advantage.

    1. Re:Jobs replies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple Legal Department, meet Common Sense, I don't belive you two have met before...

    2. Re:Jobs replies by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Funny
      Clippy, meet the Pillsbury Doughboy. Hoh-hooooo!

      Sorry, what was the joke again?

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  13. Re:Here we go again... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems to me that he never lost power. Pixar and NeXT anyone? Not only did Jobs then return to Apple, but his previous company (NeXT) went from near failure to completely taking over Apple.

    He may be an asshole, but his persistence pays off. And while a lot of people complained about working for him (and even demonized him in "Pirates of Silicon Valley), the real engineer's accounts seem to simply say that he didn't suffer fools gladly. The Mac team seemed to genuinely like him.

  14. Ironic... by vocaro · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...that this incident will probably give Apple and Steve Jobs more bad publicity than the book alone ever would have.

    It even showed up on CNN's main page.

  15. Get off steve's back by higgo6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think he's great. He pulled Apple out of the shitter. I'd rather work for steve than Bill. He is innovative and clever.

  16. You don't understand by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's different when Apple pulls something like this.

    It's much.... snappier.

  17. look at the title by spir0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    everyone seems to have missed one vital piece of information.. the title of the book is iCon.

    nuff said.

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  18. Icon or iCon... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So does the title "iCon" supposed be a stylish version of the word icon or does it represent a certain attitude: "I conned you into buying a nice OS on some very expensive hardware to make me a happy SOB"? For some reason, I keep thinking "iCon" might be a better title for a Martha Stewart book.

  19. I think it would bother me more if... by Omnifarious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it would bother me a lot more if this meant that nobody got to see it. But Apple's economic power isn't that high. It still bothers me a little though.

    I believe firmly in the freedom of individuals to engage in whatever contracts they find mutually beneficial. But, I'm not so sure about a big, powerful public corporation. I think as organizations get larger and more powerful, they become more government-like. You die just as surely whether you starve because nobody will sell you food or someone shoots you.

  20. I see the new titles already by EverDense · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pissing off Major IT Corporations for Dummies. Character Assassination for Dummies. Making Bad Business Decisions for Dummies.

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  21. Steve Jobs & Apple aren't synonymous by fname · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to this, Steve Jobs owns 10.1 million shares (that figure may be pre-split) of Apple, or 1.2% of those outstanding. 10 million of those are restricted shares granted to him by Apple. Mr. Jobs had sold off all but one of his shares he received from the Next merger soon after it happened.

    So he's nowhere near a "majority" owner, and is only the second largest individual shareholder; at least 10 institutions control a bigger stake than Leader, aka Steve Jobs.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs & Apple aren't synonymous by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I concede the point :-)

      Simon.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs & Apple aren't synonymous by fname · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait a second, you can't concede the point. This is Slashdot, dammit. If people start conceding points the whole system could come crashing down!

      Flames! Trolls! Unspported facts! That's what Slashdot is about, not mature responses like conceding points; the system isn't set up to handle that!

  22. Come on People, Let's RTFA by bloodstar · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Keep in mind, the entire threat that was plied against J. Wiley & Sons was "Do not publish the book or we will stop carrying any of your works" There was no effort to have the book shipped to the various Apple stores (and even if there were, it would have been a simple matter for apple to quietly ship them back). This is simply a strong arm tactic when Apple decided to do some dick waving and Wiley called them on it. Now Apple can either continue to give the book free publicity and at the same time deny it's customer base access to some damn good reference books (in Apple stores, as I'm sure Borders or B&N Would be happy to sell you their reference stores); or they can sit down, and shut up, and in a few months (or years) quietly let the Wiley titles back into their stores.

    There will be no issue of lawsuit against the author or Wiley, unless somehow there were libel statements made in the book. The truth can't be libel, by definition. Remember once you're a public figure, you have a more limited right to privacy than otherwise is the case (It's may not seem fair, but those who wish to have the spotlight shined upon them, will sometimes have to accept the spotlight when it's not welcome).

    -Mark

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  23. Balanced.. by Flaming+Death · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is _not_ a troll. It is a very sincere post questioning the readers of slashdot - it makes me wonder about the level of slashdot criticism.

    If this were a MS story of Bill Gates doing the same, there would be the usual crazy outbreak of 'MS evil empire' type banter. However, because its Apple , the response is a mild - 'oh its ok, hes the Apple man hes allowed to'. Where is the balance? I think somewhere in between to be honest - Jobs and Gates are simply very ruthless business persons, and yet here at Slashdot there is a decided overflow towards Apple.

    Is it the OSX thing - its not a free OS.. its not Open, so why the fanaticism, is it because its most Linux like? Windows has cygwin.. and I know a large number of IT specialists whom use it, but Windows is always rated as poor and irrevlevant (by the slashdot community), yet it is the most used desktop, by a rediculous majority? So where is the balance? Where is the even levelled intelligent arguments for both sides, that usually make for a great discussion?

    The more I visit here the more I see very common attitudes:
    - Apple and OSX rules, and every other platform/OS sux.
    - MS are evil and Windows sux.. but Xbox rules (this one has always been a bit of a conundrum - this must imply MS are less evil than Sony?)..
    - Sony are evil and PS2 is crap..
    - Linux and all Unix's are above all the best OS's and everything else is crap..
    - Any programming language that isnt C++ like or OO is crap..

    The above is a mere sample of generalisations and these are the usual source of flame wars. But the important thing about these topics, is that taking an opposing stance usually means getting flamed, chastised, or ridiculed.. It is even more interesting that moderators dont try to keep the discussion balanced, Im sure it would result in much better (more interesting) discussions, and a lot less ' is crap, or it sux'.

    This leads me to one fairly basic conclusion. Most of the people posting on Slashdot these days are young, easily impressionable males, that have little sense or understanding of two sides of a discussion and generally are very one-eyed about subjects with little or no flexibilty to gauge information as valid or relevant.

    1. Re:Balanced.. by CarlinWithers · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This is _not_ a troll. If you think the comments are one-sided, uninteresting, etc., then don't bother reading them. Just read the articles.

      The thing about the internet is you have to allow everyone a chance to speak. Sometimes people speak nonsense. It can be hard to sort through the nonsense and find the actual good stuff. That's life.

    2. Re:Balanced.. by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Funny

      - Apple and OSX rules
      - MS are evil and Windows sux. but Xbox rules
      - Sony are evil and PS2 is crap.


      Yes, the aforementioned points are correct.

    3. Re:Balanced.. by singularity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If this were a MS story of Bill Gates doing the same, there would be the usual crazy outbreak of 'MS evil empire' type banter. However, because its Apple , the response is a mild - 'oh its ok, hes the Apple man hes allowed to'.

      Funny, you must be reading different posts than I am. Most of the posts I have read have been along the line of "Well, Apple does have a *right* to do this, but it is a sucky thing to do."

      In my opinion this is a fairly accurate view of the situation. Nice *non-fanatical* (in either direction) assessment of the situation.

      What I want to know is this - how come every single article that gets posted about Apple has several people such as you posting, asking why everyone is going nicely on Apple? It almost seems like you do not even read the posts, and instead just copy and paste the same damn post every time.

      Most of the people posting on Slashdot these days are young, easily impressionable males, that have little sense or understanding of two sides of a discussion and generally are very one-eyed about subjects with little or no flexibilty to gauge information as valid or relevant.

      It seems to me that at first you are calling upon Slashdot readers to look at both sides of the story, you are now calling upon them to fall into the party line of "Censorship is BAD! Corporations are EVIL!"

      I feel like you are calling upon Slashdot readers to make this into a two-sided issue - either Apple is Evil Incarnate, or the company's actions are so uneventful as to not even justify a Slashdot article about it. You seem to be asking why people do not see Apple as evil, and then say you want to promote differing sides of the debate?

      A response that gets posted after each of the "Why is Apple immune?" post is one that points out that with several hundred thousand readers, Slashdot is a very diverse place. There are opinions all over the place. There is no single "party line" here.

      If you think this discussion was not full of argument and debate, I would definitely accuse you of not even reading the posts before you copied and pasted your "Why is Apple so loved?" comment. You seem to be calling upon people to call for a boycott of Apple because of this. You want to see the extremist anti-Apple view, and hide it under the guise of "I want more discussion and balance."

      Basically you want someone to hate Apple for this. I am sorry, we are grown up here and are capable of seeing a corporation's actions as business decisions, not a result of an Evil Overlord guiding commerce in the country (we save that for the actions of the US government).

      Oh, and do not dare give me that "Slashdot these days" crap. Take a look at my UID. I have been here a lot longer than you. If anything, Slashdot is a much more diverse place. A long time ago it was just a hang-out for Linux geeks. It was a lot more as you describe - "Linux rocks, everything else sucks!" As it grew and gained popularity, the readership became more diverse, and debate became more and more common.

      Please try not to copy and paste your "Why does Slashdot not hate Apple like they do Microsoft?" comment again next time, please.

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  24. Positive Light?!? by JasdonLe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Does *this* look positive to you?

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  25. i, con man by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is completely understandable, the cover of the book is pretty much saying I, Con Artist. No wonder Apple doesnt want a book on its shelves more or less calling its CEO a con man. I doubt the average passerby is going to get a positive impression from that sitting on the shelves while they're contemplating buying a $2,000 laptop from a company run by a "con."

    Whatever "savvy" marketers decided to go with that title should be feeling the brunt of this decision. Last I checked Apple was a private company with no obligation to carry anything. If I told Microsoft press I was writing a bio of Gates and later told them it was going to be called "Convicted Monopolist" then I wouldnt be surprised if they dropped me.

    At the end of the day Apple is a company just like any other. They'll act in a predictable fashion when it comes to protecting their property and image. Look at what one con artist has recently done to Wendy's restaurant. Bad image and rumors hurt business.

  26. Re:street cred by ergo98 · · Score: 2

    Stabbed???? Pah, geez. SHANKED!

  27. Wrong - Books Pulled for Apple, not Jobs. by Infinity+Salad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Number 1, they are not "his" stores. As CEO of Apple, he has a fiduciary responsible to Apple's owners (i.e., the shareholders). Pulling Wiley's books does not uphold this in any way; Steve Jobs is not Apple.

    Actually, Jobs is widely viewed (read: by shareholders) - whether or not it's actually true - as the driving force behind Apple's recent successes. Therefore a smear/expose on Jobs that could tarnish his reputation could seem to Apple to be a threat to the corporation itself. In that respect, Jobs 'is' Apple.

    In the same vein, Apple could be pandering to its golden boy to keep him happy, having weighed Jobs' ego as more important than allegations of bullying or censorship.

  28. Maybe it's the "iCon" title by tentimestwenty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about you, but if someone wrote a book about me and titled it "iCon" I would be pretty offended. All those people going into the Apple store are immediately going to see Jobs' picture on the front and think he's a con artist. Doesn't exactly mesh with the honest Apple brand no matter what the pages say.

    1. Re:Maybe it's the "iCon" title by jimbolaya · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I've got a feeling it won't really hurt either one that much. People spend a bundle on books. They also spend a bundle at the Apple store (boy do I know that all too well!). They just don't spend a bundle on books at the Apple store. So, most people buying Wiley books will happily buy them elsewhere, and most people shopping at the Apple store are spending much more money on computers, software, and iPods than they are on books.

      Still, the iCon title does strike me as odd, and I don't blame Apple for not carrying that particular title. The subtitle, "The Greatest Second Act in the History of Business," sounds quite flattering, and just doesn't fit with "iCon". I suspect the contents of the book fit somewhere in between: not as flattering as the subtitle, but not as inflammatory as the main title. Either way, I doubt the controversy will hurt the authors much.

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    2. Re:Maybe it's the "iCon" title by TheoMurpse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is everyone missing that "icon" can mean an important figure in history?

    3. Re:Maybe it's the "iCon" title by Mancat · · Score: 2, Funny

      It just proves that Apple has caused the public to become desensitized to the letter "i."

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    4. Re:Maybe it's the "iCon" title by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful


      All those people going into the Apple store are immediately going to see Jobs' picture on the front and think he's a con artist. Doesn't exactly mesh with the honest Apple brand no matter what the pages say.


      You missed it. Apple didn't just ban the unauthorized biography of Steve Jobs they banned the entire series of dummies books made by the same publisher. This biography was never going to appear in Apple stores since obviously Apple doesn't carry biographies in its stores, only computer help books.

      As far as Jobs is concerned, he goofed on this one. His actions only prove he's an impulsive hothead (not that there's not a dozen other things he's done publically to prove that). The biography just got a huge amount of free publicity it normally wouldn't have. I certainly never would have heard about it, and now maybe I'll buy a copy when it comes out. The dummies books are so popular that the Apple Store will look incomplete without them. People will ask about them, then go to Barnes And Noble on the other side of the mall to buy one. My prediction is they'll re-appear quietly in 6-12 months.

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    5. Re:Maybe it's the "iCon" title by dfjghsk · · Score: 2, Interesting
      i took it to mean both..as in the book was about jobs, the icon, but perhaps also about the underhanded things he's done to get to where he is today.

      of course, i know absolutely nothing about the book.

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    6. Re:Maybe it's the "iCon" title by Masker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Wiley was stupid enough to think that most people wouldn't see "iCon" and read it the same way as they read "iMac" and "iBook", then I don't know if they should be publishing this book, as they are seriously out of touch with the subject matter. It was only when I read that the book was largely positive to realize that it was supposed to be "icon" and not "iCon" (or, "internet con").

      Try it with other words, and it takes a second to even recognize what the word is (reading them aloud is cheating, unless you stress the 'i'): iDea, iRate, iCicle, iAmbic.

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  29. A Better Approach ... by rewinn · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... would have been for Jobs to have a ghost-writer crank out "Why Wiley's Book Is Stupid" and sell it next to the book he hates.

  30. Re:Funny you should mention this by shigelojoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    This may help out a little bit.

    Summary: iPhoto generates 240 pixel wide thumbnails for each photo in the library; if the album view is set so that the thumbnails are wider than 240 pixels, iPhoto will load the photo and shrink it to the necessary size instead of using the premade thumbnail. Obviously, this leads to massive processor usage. I don't know how the iPhoto team could have missed something like this when they were developing the software, but I'd like some of what they were smoking.

  31. The problem with "a largely positive light" by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As with Steve Jobs, so with George W. Bush: no cult of personality can tolerate books that are merely "largely" positive. There's the gospel, and then there's apostasy. Either you adore, or you'd better get out of Dodge.

    No, Apple doesn't have to sell the book. But pulling the entire line is childish. And counter-productive. By going nuclear, Jobs has helped to give the title some buzz--the silver lining in every act of censorship. :-)

  32. Apple's been getting somewhat evil lately. by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Damn, Apple's been getting somewhat evil lately.

    a) iPods with built-in obsolescence
    b) a fairly crappy recycling track record
    c) suing 15 year old kids for blogging information their own employees or partners leaked.
    d) Promoting Censorship within it's stores.

    Whatever happened to Steve's Birkenstocks?

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  33. Please, for the love of all that's holy... by Draconix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stop it. Seriously. Stop with the "it's bad, but it's Apple, so everyone thinks it's okay" BS. It was old years ago, and is even older today. To reiterate, to those who keep bringing this up:

    No.

    Again: no.

    Contrary to what some people seem to believe, your average high-karma Slashdot poster is not an idiot. Frankly, this is getting downright irritating. Bad things involving Apple keep occurring, so you people have to come out of the woodworks and say that people are only supporting Apple because they're Apple, when really, the vast majority of these 'Apple supporters' are just looking at the situation with circumspection. Got that? Just in case that was unclear, that means they're reading TFA, thinking about it, considering the situation and its angles, then replying, rather than giving a knee-jerk reaction like the 'If it were Microsoft...' people. It typically has nothing to do with the fact that it's Apple--we're dead serious when we say we'd support Microsoft/Gates if it were them instead of Apple/Jobs--and everything to do with the facts surrounding the situation.

    Fact: Wiley was asked not to publish the book.
    Fact: The biography was unauthorized, which is legal, but not really that morally okay, especially when the biography is about someone who's still alive.
    Fact: Jobs could not have made Apple stop selling Wiley's products without support from a majority of the Board.
    Fact: Apple is not preventing the publishing of the book, they are expressing objection to it by not selling the publisher's materials in their stores.
    Fact: A corporation has the right to choose what it wants to sell, and whom to obtain their products from.
    Fact: Again, you can walk into Borders or Barnes and Noble or whatever, or search Amazon.com, and still get Wiley's books, including the unauthorized biography of Jobs.

    Was it perhaps rash of Apple to do this? Yeah, I think so. Was it a horrible, evil thing for Apple to do? Not really, no. I can understand Jobs and Apple's unhappiness with an unauthorized biography about Jobs. I'd not like someone writing about me and including intimate details without my permission, regardless of what kind of light I'd be put in. I couldn't stop them from doing it, but would it really be wrong of me to object to my fullest ability?

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    1. Re:Please, for the love of all that's holy... by m50d · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's crap. The fact is that *even if all that were true*, if MS or even some neutral company did this slashdot would be up in arms. We have a much stronger affection for free speech than other people. If you read any apple thread, you will find that slashdot is by and large populated by idiotic apple worshippers, and that's why we'll keep saying it, until the fact that apple is just another company chasing a profit makes its way through their thick skulls and into whatever tiny organ they have within them.

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  34. Re:Here we go again... by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve Jobs is an unbelievable asshole. Seriously, you think you know assholes? Steve Jobs makes them all look like girl scouts. He's the biggest asshole I've ever encountered, ever.

    He's also a hands-down, certifiable genius.

    The fact that he's an asshole really pales in comparison to what he's capable of doing. The man is like some kind of magic crap detector. He can smell crap from ten miles away. And when he sees it, he can tell you exactly why it's crap, and exactly what needs to change to eliminate its crappiness.

    Steve Jobs is the most arrogant man I know, but he's also the man most deserving of open, unapologetic arrogance I know.

    At least for me, it's possible to personally dislike somebody and admire him at the same time.

  35. Re:Jobs. you just LOST a customer! by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Riiight. It was your anger at Steve Jobs' ego that made you go through the hassle installing Debian on your Powerbook? After all, since you don't like the CEO of Apple, you can't trust the OS, right?
    Slashdot psuedo activism here... How do you know ol' Steve-o hasn't installed a hardware solution to monitor your ethernet/wireless traffic on your Powerbook since you can't trust him?
    Personally I think you're insane not to build your laptop by hand since you can't trust anybody! Who's to say your drive manufacturer's CEO is trustworthy?!

  36. Re:Ugh by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Practically everything in Mac OS X can be compiled for Intel hardware with little or no modification. There are some huge exceptions, of course; all the vectorization would have to be pulled out, and there's an assload of that now. But while it's a lot of code, it's not a big fraction of the OS.

    Hell, our core operating system, Darwin, has been available for Intel for some years now.

    But from two messages up, the "Apple is switching to Intel" stuff is complete bullshit. The performance we're getting out of 2.5 GHz G5s on the shelves today is spectacular. It's still, even a year later, top-shelf performance.

    Yes, IBM has had massive problems going to 90 nm fabrication. But so has everybody else. We would have been real happy if IBM could have been at 5 GHz now like they'd projected back in 2002-2003. Going on-stage at WWDC in the summer of '03 and saying "3 GHz in a year!" left us looking really stupid. But shit happens, you know? It's not like IBM is totally dropping the ball on us (yes, I'm talking about you, Motorola).

  37. Re:Funny you should mention this by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't give you details because I just don't have 'em, but there's going to be a pretty big rewrite of iPhoto hitting the street real soon now.

    This is one of the dirty little secrets of Tiger: iPhoto is totally, 100% incompatible with Spotlight. We're gonna fix that, obviously, but it's a big job.

    See, Spotlight calls for metadata to be stored inside files. That's why we changed the way Mail works, creating a new mail message file format (emlx) that's basically an mbox-style mail message concatenated with an XML property list. That way we can store a message and all relevant metadata in one file, making it trivial for Spotlight to index it.

    iPhoto doesn't work like that. iPhoto stores all its metadata in a database, and generates a buttload of ancillary files for thumbnails and albums. That's very much not Spotlight-friendly. Plus, as you point out, it's got a big scaling problem.

    So we're gonna be releasing a new version, referred to internally as 5.1 but that may not be the actual number, real soon now. When? Dunno. What specific features will it have? Dunno. But it's coming.

  38. Shitty PR for a bit of megalomania by theolein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is bad news for Apple, its customers (i.e. me and everyone else using a Mac or an iPod), and its shareholders.

    No one likes an arrogant arsehole, and people like arrogant arseholes even less who act like mini dictators. It's not like Apple has a 90% marketshare in the computer market to play with, and investors shy away from erratic, irrational CEOs. I can understand him withdrawing the book on his life from the Apple store shelves, as he has the power to do that, but the Dumies series is extremely popular and it could make an enemy of extremely influential people like David Pogue, whose NYTimes tech articles get read by millions.

    What worries me most about this is that it reminds me of the bat shit megalomanic attitude that Jobs had before he was canned from Apple the first time in 1985, trying to push others around.

    Steve, if you or one of your slaves is reading this, take these words of advice: You, as a celebrity and CEO of a very trendy company, give away a certain amount of privacy as part of your status. You, like me and everyone else, are not an island. You depend on literally millions of other people for your success, from customers, to shareholders, to employees, to reviewers, to the press. Think about that before you fly into a rage like a spoilt five year old brat the next time.

    1. Re:Shitty PR for a bit of megalomania by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      thats great. His attitude is why I no longer buy Apple products.

      Consider this:
      Why would someone choose to write software for a platform if the man controlling that platform would yank your software from the shelves if t didn't conform to his world view or opinion?

      Why would a company move to Mac if the tools needed to run the company cuold disappear because of the pissy CEO?

      "...best personal computers and mp3 players in the world. "
      and, what exactly, do yoiu base the "best personal computers" on?

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  39. Re:Selling 30 cent parts for $6 by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I pay a buck for a 24 oz. Coke in a cup at the local convenience store I know their cost was about three cents, and two of those were for the cup.

    I also know it's still a good enough deal for me, because a 16 oz. Coke in a bottle is going to cost me more.I'll pay the buck.

    It's good business all around, even though I'm paying more than I theoretically need to for the Coke.

    If, however, I own and operate a convenience store, drink Cokes at three cents a pop out of the business profits, but charge my financial partner a buck a Coke when he comes into the store and stick 97 cents of it in my own pocket, that isn't "good business." That's being a scum sucking bastard.

    KFG

  40. You are a good little corporate citizen by JoeBuck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You think that there is something morally wrong with an "unauthorized" biography? What kind of a tool are you, anyway? This is a democracy; a free press is not some annoying thing we have to put up with, it's something we fought for. "Unauthorized" biographies are the only kind worth reading.

    Apple is not refusing to sell just this book; it is refusing to sell any of the large number of Mac books put out by this publisher. The decision will cost the shareholders money, as the Apple stores profited on each book sold, and they sold quite a few.

    Now, it's not horrible and evil, so I'll agree with you there. It's merely massively stupid, and the press that this move has gotten will improve the book sales.

  41. Just a minor point. by TheOriginalRevdoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Fact: The biography was unauthorized, which is legal, but not really that morally okay, especially when the biography is about someone who's still alive."

    Curious logic there... so a biography has to be authorised, huh? Like, say, a newspaper story about someone has to be authorised? Or an encyclopedia entry? Do you realise that you'll just end up with self-serving crap if you do that, don't you?

    How about this for a correction:

    Fact: Jobs is a public figure, and his decisions affect large numbers of people. He is also charismatic and famous. An unauthorised biography of Jobs is therefore is a fair and reasonable thing, provided the content of the biography is obtained legally and without deception.

  42. Re:Selling 30 cent parts for $6 by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I pay a buck for a 24 oz. Coke in a cup at the local convenience store I know their cost was about three cents, and two of those were for the cup.

    That's right. Most store owners don't bother paying Monsanto, even though that company put the effort into genetically engineering the trees that stores, land and electricity grow on.

    Those scum... anyway, some people would say they were stupid to risk something illegal like that when money has grown on trees since biblical times.

    Unfortunately, the only money that grows on trees is the North Korean Peso, and you need three barrowfuls of them for your cup of Coke.

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  43. Re:Sue, sue and sue by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Interesting


    the only question would be whether they gained more than they lost by pissing off Apple.


    Apple only has about 100 stores, and they don't sell primarily books. As far as retailers of Dummies books go, I'd bet Apple stores are a drop in the bucket. The only reason Apple has the books is to sell more computers. Dummies books being absent from Apple stores will hurt Apple more than it ever would hurt Wiley.

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  44. No, lemming, get a clue by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it hillarious and sad at the same time that the nation most proud of their "freedoms" has no fucking clue what those freedom mean. I've seen "freedom of press", "freedom of speech" or "democracy" used for every possible bullshit (e.g., as some "right" to troll a site or cheat in an online game) _except_ the cases they actually cover.

    Here's some free clue: "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Press":

    1. Are _only_ applicable to your dealing with the _government_. Not with private persons, not with corporations, not with anyone else.

    I.e., pay attention, lemming: it means that the government can't ban you from saying that Kerry was a better candidate than Bush, or viceversa. It doesn't however mean that Bush, as a private citizen, can't sue your pants off if you publish libel about him. E.g., if you were to start writing that Bush rapes small babies, he could very well sue your pants off, and "freedom of speech" would have nothing to do with it.

    2. It never said that anyone has to print, broadcast or help sell your bullshit. If anyone, _including_ the government, doesn't want to publish your speech, sell your book, or pay for public access to your blog, they _are_ entirely within their legal righst.

    E.g., "freedom of press" does _not_ mean you can go to NYT and have them publish whatever you want published in their newspaper. As they say, "freedom of press" only applies to whoever owns the press.

    E.g., if Apple doesn't want to sell another company's books, "free press" and "democracy" have exactly _nothing_ to do with it.

    E.g., if an ISP (even a state owned one) decided to unilaterally block all porn sites, or even all opposition sites, they _are_ within their legal rights to do so. Bad PR move? Yes. Violating your sacred "freedom of speech" or "democracy"? Nope.

    3. Additionally "democracy" _only_ means you get to vote for your government. Period. Nothing more. It doesn't mean you get a vote in what books Apple should sell. It does _not_ mean you should get a vote even in what your CEO or CIO decides.

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  45. Re:Funny you should mention this by Chucker23N · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Does that mean installing 10.4 over 10.3 will mean Mail 2 cannot read Mail 1 mbox files or will they be converted?"

    Mail 2.0 comes with an easy-to-use, stable even in the early alphas, automatic converter.

    I am not aware of any current backwards conversion, however. The emlx format should be trivial enough for people to disassemble and write tools for, though.

  46. IP terrorist by northcat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    AFAIK, Apple (and also Steve Jobs) is the biggest IP terrorist there is. They just don't want anyone else earning anything through something that even remotely relates to them or don't want anyone to have it for free. So when Wiley, a big computer related books publisher, publishes a book about Jobs, Apple see a few dollars going to someone else and they want it for themselves instead so they ban *all* books of that publisher from their stores. It surprises me how noone else gets this point. What doesn't surprise me, though, is the fact that Apple zealots are now going to mod me down as troll.

  47. Slashdot banned!! by erroneus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thanks mister "Insightful!" Your comments probably just got Slashdot banned from all of Apple's computer networks.

    1. Re:Slashdot banned!! by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks mister "Insightful!" Your comments probably just got Slashdot banned from all of Apple's computer networks.

      Good!

      That oughta get 10.5 out the door a few weeks faster.

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  48. This just in... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Funny

    Today Steven Jobs has filed a temporary restraining order against his mother. The TRO claims that Jobs' mother kept talking about her son to friends and family, showed embarrassing pictures of him as a kid, and praised him for his success.

    A spokesperson for Apple was quoted as saying, "Jobs' mom was always prone to talk about how proud she is of her son, but when she showed the friends in her knitting circle a picture of Steve when he was two years old using the toilet for the first time, her actions went from merely annoying to criminal."

    This current action from Jobs has affected others in his family too. His wife of 14 years, Laurene Powell, has had her voice box surgically removed to avoid any chance of her offending her husband. Furthermore, his two children have been killed for talking about their dad in class.

    More news on this story as it develops.

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  49. This was modded "Informative"? by jamrock · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They just don't want anyone else earning anything through something that even remotely relates to them or don't want anyone to have it for free. So when Wiley, a big computer related books publisher, publishes a book about Jobs, Apple see a few dollars going to someone else and they want it for themselves instead so they ban *all* books of that publisher from their stores.

    If that is indeed the case, how come Apple didn't ban all the Apple and Mac related "Dummies" books from their stores before this? The simple fact is that Jobs is an egomaniacal control freak and the biography pissed him off. Your assertion is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Supply some evidence or take off the tinfoil hat. And of course, you were careful enough to inoculate yourself against challenges by stating that people who disagree with you are "Apple zealots". FYI, not all Mac users are enamored of Jobs. I'm a diehard Mac user, and I love Apple's products, but that doesn't mean that I love Apple, or blindly approve of Apple's actions. They are a public corporation after all, not a charitable organization, and they should be subject to the same scrutiny as any other public company. I admire and respect Jobs' vision and leadership, but I wouldn't piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire. I honestly have never liked the guy.

  50. Apple is really beginning.. by d_jedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    to sound like another certain software company that everyone accuses of abusing their monopoly power..

    And Apple IS a monopoly (given that x86-based PCs are considered to be their own market, according to Judge Jackson.. we can assume PPC-based PCs would also..)

    They don't need to sell the Steve Jobs biography if they don't want to.. but to completely ban the publisher?

    Add this tot he fact that Apple doesn't consider bloggers to be a part of the legitimate press.. and we get a pretty bad impression of them, wrt free speech..

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  51. 1984 by katorga · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good ole Apple, the paragon of intellectual freedom, creativity, openness. They have mastered the style but their substance is limits, conformity, and closed systems.

  52. Maybe not on paper by kallistiblue · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There has been a new trend in the past 10 years or so of the celebrity CEO.
    Jobs
    Gates
    Michael Dell
    Jack Welch - when he was there
    Page and Brin

    These people are the company.
    They may not own it on paper, however without these charismatic people there is no company, or rather there is just a shell of a company.

    This is part of a new shift in the economy that was primed by computers and automation. Busines is becoming less and less capital intensive so the purpose of the stock market is waning.

    From 1840 - 1980's, business was based on capital. You had to have a lot of money to create the production capacity. The capital markets were need ed because it required $50 million to build a factory.

    So the old way required floating paper as a means of funding the business.

    Now, the stock market is being used as a means of making businesses Rich.

    An example is Google.
    Google was already profitable before they went public. Google could have easily grown by reinvesting their profits.

    That's a slow process that definitely VC firms do not like. So they force companies to go public so the VC firm can recoop their investment.

    However, this whole scheme is a house of cards.
    Think about it...
    What happens when Bill Gates and Balmer decide to retire?
    What happens to Apple when Jobs retires?

    You heard it here first.

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  53. Does this bother you? Want something to do? by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I thought this was disappointing, and I just told Apple so. Here is how you can too.

    Call 1 800 275 2273

    Select nothing. Wait until the voice prompts, and then select 0 or say operator.

    Tell the operator you want to leave feedback. If you want, you can even give them your name and phone number, which creates a ticket that the PR people are forced to deal with.

    simple yet effective, especially if lots of people do it.

  54. Re:Funny you should mention this by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 5, Funny

    My big problem with iPhoto is the way it insists on moving all the JPEGs around and naming them according to its own whims.

    That's iPhoto's purpose in life. Your objection is like saying, "My big problem with Excel is the way it adds all the numbers together."

    Just out of my own curiosity ... are you also one of those guys who complains that iTunes organizes your music for you? I ask because those guys are impossible for me to understand. We rolled out a product that was basically the holy grail of music management, and they complained that it managed their music for them. They insisted that they would rather name and sort each of 20,000 tiny files themselves, with all the obsessive focus of an autistic kid counting paper clips. It was freaky.

  55. pointless? by willCode4Beer.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd say whether or not its pointless depends on your morals.
    For instance, I don't do business with Union Carbide or their customers because of how they treated the incident in Bhopal. They may not miss the little bit of money that didn't go their way but, I know that I'm giving them nothing.
    I will buy Chinese goods. This is because the Americans being put out of work are the same ones who voted for Bush, and Bush supports big Chinese imports. So, I'm supporting the political position of those factory workers.

    There are many people who will not buy fuel from Exon over the oil spill in Alaska. Does Exon miss their money, maybe not. Can those people sleep better at night? Absolutely.

    Of course, if you don't give a **** then it doesn't matter. The issue is not about whether you $5 makes a change, its about where *you* chose to put that $5. Its about what you think is important. If you chose not to shop with a jerk, maybe he doesn't care. You'll know that *you* chose to do business with someone else.

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    1. Re:pointless? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are many people who will not buy fuel from Exon over the oil spill in Alaska.

      Actually, this makes my point perfectly. If you want to boycott someone, target them specifically. You *can* stop yourself from paying for Exxon directly, but you *can't* stop the green bean manufacturer from using Exxon petrolium in manufacturing of the can.

      Trying to randomly stop people from receiving money for services is pointless. Target the chokepoints.

  56. Re:Selling 30 cent parts for $6 by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Assholes often get things done. This is not the same thing as saying that one must be an asshole to get things done.

    Ferrari was an asshole and got things done. Bugatti was not an asshole, and got things done anyway. Usually better, because people would pull for him because his personality earned respect and loyalty, not adulation and fear.

    Jobs can keep his personality. I don't want it. It only works on the cult minded anyway who have this incredible abiltiy to excuse any behavior of the personality only because they are a "personality," in part, I believe, because they adore what they fear.

    And that's fucked up, dude.

    KFG

  57. Prices inaccurate, principle the same. by abb3w · · Score: 2, Informative
    When I pay a buck for a 24 oz. Coke in a cup at the local convenience store I know their cost was about three cents, and two of those were for the cup.

    Closer to ten cents, depending on how much ice and how stingy they are with the syrup dilution ratio control. Usually these drinks are about half ice (cost ~$0.01/cup in icemaker operation capital costs). Standard coke 5:1 syrup runs about $25ish for a 5 Gallon box (marginally cheaper for corporate bulk than non-chain restaurant purchase, made up for by my last purchase being four years of inflation ago), producing 3840 floz of soda, or 320 servings of 12floz to finish filling the cups, for a cost of about $0.08 per. Cups run about $0.02 each in 24 oz size. Total cost $0.11.

    Still a heck of a markup for a $1.00 soda. "The perfect product costs a dime, sells for a dollar, and is both legal and addicting." Pretty durn close.

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