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Safari And KHTML May Never Meet
diegocgteleline.es writes "Announcing that Safari passes the Acid2 test has raised some voices in the KDE world. Apple, they say, isn't playing friendly. They don't provide a CVS history, just the modified files where nobody can understand how and when things have changed. It's quite likely that KHTML developers will have to write their own code to pass the acid2 test. Zack Rusin writes: 'All I'm asking for is that all the clueless people stop talking about the cooperation between Safari/Konqueror developers and how great it is. There's absolutely nothing great about it. In fact "it" doesn't exist.'"
Because of Apple's adoption: "KHTML's penetration on Web designer's workstations will increate by some 5000 % (in words: over five thousand percent!). In the future, almost every serious web designer will have a KHTML-based browser on (or under) his/her desk.
" - dot.kde.org
Dont you think Apple has already done enough for KHTML?
fuvoo: watch something
So the KHTML guys have never heard of diff?
Look, I'm not gonna defend Apple's total lack of commitment to real open source development principles (typified by their use of the APSL for Apple-developed code rather than a BSD license), but this post comes off as whining, and, as such, is not helpful to the cause, which is to get Apple's executive management clued in.
Another "diff" comment from some idiot who doesn't know how to write large-scale software.
"For Pete's Sake" diff doesn't do much good if hundreds of files have changed in forked code and you're trying to reintegrate. If a piece of code is DIFFerent, then it might be:
a) a patch you need to change
b) an overwrite of a patch you did but the fork didn't
How would you differentiate? Hey, by having CVS change logs! Oops, don't have those, gotta count the number of grains of sand on the beach instead.
Moron. Insightful my ass.
Those reverse engineered protocols are 1/1000th the size of kHTML and web standards code. Of course those can be reverse engineered: THEY AREN'T THAT COMPLICATED COMPARED TO THIS!
Napoleon Dynamite says: IDIOT!
Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
KDE should stop whining. Apple is not doing anything different than they have for many many years. I personally worked for two companies who got screwed by Apple in much the same way and I know of many other companies.
Apple may have another color than M$ but they are still a very big company and the bigger they get, the more they emphasize that the need of the company outweighs the need of anything else.
As I write from my iBook G4 wishing I hadn't spent the money on this thing, or that I could get Airport support for ppc linux.
:)
I read this stuff and think Hey since I got this thing I have been complaining about Safari and Mail since I first booted OSX. I got this computer on the recommendation from some very serious Linux Guru friends and kind of thought less of them ever since.
the fact that Apple is being a parasite on the GPL just adds insult to injury for me. As soon as the warranty is over in December I plan on loading a ppc linux distro on this thing and I potty mouth Apple to everyone including going into the apple store where I bought it. I'll go in and ask questions that they can't answer about X11 support and "Why dose Safari and Mail SUCK so much?" in the loudest voice I can manage w/o screaming or being considered thretting with my 3 year old son in tow whose mantra is "Hey That's Yucky Window$ when he sees a Window$ Logo
I hear that OSX is so helpful in productivity HOW? an OS dose nothing except pass instruction to the processor it's the apps that make the difference. Browsers, and mail clients are important APPS!
I use FireFox and ThunderBird on this Mac.
I'd Tell you all my secrets but I lie about my past
Speaking about David Hyatt, why does he have a Wikipedia entry? Looking at the entry, he hasn't done anything special that warrants an entry into the Wikipedia. So what if he has worked on some protocols, there are thousands that have come and gone? Do all those people merit an entry into the Wikipedia? Besides, lots of protocols are marketting magic rather than technical prowess. So what if he worked on the original Netscape or works for Apple now. Is he maintaining his resume of the Wikipedia?
I'd be interested in finding the guy that worked on DRM. But I suppose the wikipedia doesn't record villans.
Where is my average guy wikpedia entry? I may not be arrogant or narcissistic enough to put one in, but I guess that is why the average guy is so special; he doesn't think he is special.
It is a shame that people interpret that a license defines not only a minimal committment, but it defines the only committment. Why isn't the relationship instead judged by people's sense of whether Apple is taking advantage of open-source for their own corporate greed? Sure, Apple doesn't have a legal obligation, but maybe we should all believe they have a social obligation. Because when we benefit from the hard work of others, we should return the karma.
C'mon Apple, you can do better. Otherwise, you look just like an MS clone. But even then, MS has the decency to invest in their own browser, instead of poaching on open-source for one. What was the last positive contribution you have made to the community?
It is nice you use Firefox and you care about how things look on the majority of browsers, but you are going about this all wrong. The way you are doing things is no better than the jackasses that test against IE and go "oooh, it works in IE, it's perfect", and then leave broken-ass shitty markup lying around the web. How about your write to the standards, and then test against Firefox, then against IE, (and Opera too), instead of writing with Firefox in mind then fixing things for IE. Remember, Gecko is not perfect, KHTML is not perfect, Opera is not perfect, and as we all know, IE definitely is not perfect. Using browsers as a basis for the validity and workability of your markup is a Bad Idea (TM) in /any/ situation. With the tone of my reply, I don't think I need to say that you should validate your markup.