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Last Titan Launch from Florida

The Breeze writes "Driving along San Diego's freeways, I often passed a large Lockheed Martin facility that had big ATLAS and TITAN logos on them - it looked like it was still operating, even though I thought the Titan missile had been retired years ago. Well, according to CNN, the last Titan to be launched from Florida just took off with a classified military payload. I had no idea that they were still using 50-year old technology to launch stuff into space. If you are not adverse to MS Word documents, Patrick AFB, (the Air Force station at Cape Canaveral) has some press releases about the launch. Interested parties might want to click here for more info on Titan, along with links to the Titan Missile Museum where you can actually see a Titan in a silo -- and where Zeframe Cochrane launched his first warp ship from."

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  1. Not so outdated by Eric+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I had no idea that they were still using 50-year old technology to launch stuff into space.
    It's not 50-year-old technology. At least not all of it. There have been many updates to the Titan since it was originally developed; portions of it have been completely redesigned.
    1. Re:Not so outdated by Spetiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if it were all 50-year-old technology, if it's still effective, why not use it? People still use hand-held hammers...

  2. Why can't you? by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I had no idea that they were still using 50-year old technology to launch stuff into space.

    Have physics and the law of gravity changed in the last 50 years?

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  3. Older but by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sometimes older and simpler is better than supersuper complicated stuff. Soyuz puts the shuttle to shame in the reliability department for example.

    So I'd say if Titan rockets worked, why change them?

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    1. Re:Older but by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Soyuz puts the shuttle to shame in the reliability department for example.

      Not unless they're using them in some fashion I'm not aware of.

      A Soyuz--or any other similar design--is used once. Then the car-sized bit that you have left is either given to a museum or sold for scrap, and you make yourself a new one.

      The Shuttle isn't less reliable than the Soyuz--it's just far more usable, and hell of a lot bigger.

      (FWIW, the way of the future is amazingly like what the shuttle should have been--a resuable person-lifter, not a heavy-lifter that lets folk sit in the cabin.)

    2. Re:Older but by RollingThunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not so sure your comparison is fair.

      Reliability is all about meeting your design goals without fail when in operation.

      The Soyuz was always designed to be single use, and to work for that single use. It meets that criteria and I'd call it reliable.

      The Shuttle was designed for multiple use on a reasonable turnaround. Since two have been destroyed, and the others take a very long time between launches due to safety concerns and reviews, I would say it's not reliably meeting it's design goals.

  4. Replacement? by flydude18 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What will the Air Force use now?

  5. Military Payloads Need Reliability: Titan Delivers by reporter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Rockets are similar to cars. The choice is between a car that is in the 4th year of its production run and a car that has been redesigned new from the ground up. Completely new cars tend to have numerous problems, which are fed back to the engineers who then make the necessary modifications for next year's production run.

    Even Hondas suffer from this problem. If I must have the most reliable vehicle, I would choose a Civic model in its last year of production over a brand new, completely redesigned Civic.

    Since the Titans have been in use for a long time, the engineers have already fixed any outstanding, serious problems. The Titan is a reliable workhorse and should be the delivery vehicle for a military payload. Such payloads are vital to the national security of the United States, and we absolutely must avoid mishaps, especially given the emerging threat from China.

  6. 50 years old.... by wpiman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    50 year old technology is proven technology. If you are going to risk a multi-billion dollar satelitte- something that has had thousands of launches under its belt sounds good to me.

  7. If it ain't broke, don't fix it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reliable rocketry hasn't advanced far since Goddard's time. The Titan is a perfect example of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" technology.

  8. Re:Military Payloads Need Reliability: Titan Deliv by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Rockets are similar to cars.
    Not least because a 50-year-old car can do the job it was designed for, with a little maintenance. Or a hundred-year-old car for that matter. We throw out old hardware because we're infatuated with the latest and greatest, not because the old hardware is worthless.
  9. old but reliable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They might be old, but the fewer parts they use and the simpler the technology is less things will go wrong or brake. Why for instance is the russian space agency so good? They use old stuff. Without the almost 40 year Soyuz spacecraft the ISS would have long gone down the gravity drain...

    I suppose the Titan is far more reliable and fault-proof than the Space Shuttle.

  10. Re:Bye Titan 2 by eclectro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please deliver your classified military payload safely. May the death, destruction and oppression contained in your hallowed cylinder bring freedom to all 'muricans!

    Just like the Global Position System (GPS) does, which is a military payload. Bringing better lives to millions.

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  11. Re:Military Payloads Need Reliability: Titan Deliv by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well that an 50 year old cars have terrible gas milage, put out way more pollution than a modern car (orders of magnitude), and require near constant maintence to keep running. People romanticize about old cars all the time, but forget that it used to be rare for a car to make it 100,000 miles, a feat that is commonplace today, even among cheap and nasty cars. The old hardware isn't worthless, but the new stuff is considerably better in most areas. The only major area where modern cars continually score worse than older cars is in maintainability by shade-tree mechanics. Old cars are a lot simpler and don't need sophisticated tools to be worked on, unlike many modern cars.

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  12. Re:Military Payloads Need Reliability: Titan Deliv by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right, old cars are not as good as new cars -- I never said they were. But they do the job. And so does an old rocket booster.

  13. Re:Bye Titan 2 by daraf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's not forget about the Internet, nuclear power, and the airplane.

    Politics / opinion aside, I think too few people realize that military technology often translates into useful civilian technology. The corollary to beating swords into plowshares is better swords make better plowshares.