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Taking on an Online Extortionist

An anonymous reader writes "When an online exortionist comes a knocking, threatining a DDoS, do you pay or fight? For many, paying may seem like a sensible option when compared to going out of buisness. CSO Magazine has a riveting article about how an online gambling site and a DDoS specialist teamed up to take on such an extortionist. When everybody else was rolling over and paying, this company risked its very existence to fight back. From the article: '"The attack went to 1.5Gb, with bursts up to 3Gb. It wasn't targeted at one thing. It was going to routers, DNS servers, mail servers, websites. It was like a battlefield, where there's an explosion over here, then over there, then it's quiet, then another explosion somewhere else," says Lyon. "They threw everything they had at us. I was just in shock."'"

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  1. oblig Churchill by isecore · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We will fight them in the CAT5, on the routers, in the packets. We will never surrender"

    Or however he said it :)

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    1. Re:oblig Churchill by sqlgeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      "We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

    2. Re:oblig Churchill by PatMouser · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bah.

    3. Re:oblig Churchill by donutello · · Score: 5, Funny

      We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills.

      Hey, sounds like our last family vacation!

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    4. Re:oblig Churchill by Mathieu+Lu · · Score: 5, Informative

      3 digit amateurs :-)

    5. Re:oblig Churchill by dokkeri · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh great... The one time something I have is large and the people want it to be small.

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    6. Re:oblig Churchill by davidu · · Score: 5, Funny

      *yawn* ;-)

      -davidu

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  2. Even Slashdot? by troc · · Score: 5, Funny

    "They threw everything they had at us. I was just in shock."

    I guess that includes getting a mention on Slashdot?

    Troc

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  3. So now we're gonna slashdot 'em? by LordByronStyrofoam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seems kinda brutal to hit them with another DDOS.

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  4. That's frightening by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's a brilliant story, and you've got to applaud the guys at the victim site for sticking up for themselves.

    It makes me wonder if this new anti-DDoS company can somehow establish relationships with ISPs to track back the zombies and get them shut down more quickly? Seems that would be the sanest and most effective tool -- take away the bots. No bots -- no botnet -- no attacks.

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    1. Re:That's frightening by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Sorry sir, no email for you until you reformat"...uhh huh. That'll happen.

      Doubtful, but perhaps it should.

      Consider another everyday activity, with a lot of benefits but some inherent risks, which works fine when people take care but goes wrong when they don't: driving. In most places, you don't get to drive without taking a simple test to prove you're reasonably safe and competent. Then if you're caught driving in a way that's hazardous or inconsiderate to others, a nice policeman pulls you over. Depending on the significance of the violation, you get a verbal warning, a formal sanction, or read your rights and your vehicle confiscated.

      If a similar principle applied to the Internet, with minor offences attracting a polite warning up to running a grossly insecure system that causes widespread inconvenience to other netizens getting you completely blocked, people would soon learn to respect the technology and others using it. But first we have to get over this strange idea that because it's The Internet, everyone should be allowed to use it, without any traceability or responsibility for their actions whatsoever, regardless of the harm it may cause others. I doubt that'll be a popular viewpoint around these parts.

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  5. Never pay by nuggz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they actually get money, they'll do it again and again.
    Any measure of success will encourage more of the same behaviour.

  6. Good, some balls. by vbrookslv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Glad to see someone standing up to these thugs. I remember a few years ago, the ISP that I admin'd hosted the connection for http://www.defcon.org/. We had someone start a Smurf attack from the Con, targetting our inbound T3's. We were able to track it down, and actually snatch him out of his seat right there at the con. He promptly apologized (I think, he only spoke german, IIRC). The look on his face was priceless. Oh, did I mentioned that me, and everyone else at the company carry Glock 19's? Yeah, we didn't have any more problems for the rest of the con. Everyone was on their best behaviour. A bunch of fine, upstanding individuals. :)

    1. Re:Good, some balls. by vbrookslv · · Score: 5, Interesting

      THe reason we carried, aside from the stock "Because we can" answer, is simple. We were in a building with a few hundred thousand dollars in routers, and customers such as banks and medical facilities. We were downtown on Fremont and 7th St in Las Vegas. For those who aren't familiar with the area, it's the hood. I regularly had to chase crackheads, as well as hookers with their Johns off of our back steps. We would regularly find people sleeping in our dumpster in the morning.

      And to answer the obvious question, our office WAS there for a reason, we were a block from the ILEC's main CO. This made quite a difference in the cost and time to install of new circuits.

    2. Re:Good, some balls. by ReverendLoki · · Score: 5, Funny
      I can't quite see the relationship between the two things...

      Because, sometimes that Windows box crashes one time to many...

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  7. Just do what we do on IRC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Find out where they live and call their mom.

  8. Re:Fight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Presumably, they will give you some way to pay them (else what is the point?). Point the cops and or feds at that contact, and see what happens.

    This is where R'ingTFA comes in...

    If no joy from the authorities, I'm sure your local newsrag would be glad to shame the cops into doing something. Of course, if the extortionist is overseas, things might be a little difficult.

    Again, this is where R'ingTFA comes in. I'd also add that one downside of moving your business to an unregulated third world country is that neither the local journalists nor the local cops are especially interested in your gringo problems. I don't understand why Scotland Yard bothered with him.

  9. Extorting a gambling site? by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Extorting a gambling site? That strikes me as a LLM (life limiting move, c.f. career limiting move).

    Many gambling sites still have connections to, shall we say, respectible businessmen of the Italian or Asian pursuasion, who are used to handling such matters extra-legally.

    You might just wake up one day with your computer's monitor (cables severed with an ax) in bed with you.

    Or Guido and Nunzio standing over you, giving you tips on the finer points of extortion while they wait for the concrete to set.

  10. Re:Curious by Secrity · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wormholes.

  11. No protection by McGiraf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing with these DOS extortionist is that unlike the mafia or other groups they do not protect you from other extortinist. If you pay them thay can stop their attact, but if someone else try to attack you they cannot do anyting.

  12. Re:Curious by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 5, Funny
    I've always wondered...when a site is slashdotted, it implies that the site has been hit by high referrals from slashdot, causing it to become slow or go down totally. But how does slashdot itself cope with the high traffic?
    It's quite simple, really - Slashdot just doesn't link to itself.
  13. Re:Curious by dougmc · · Score: 5, Informative
    But how does slashdot itself cope with the high traffic?
    Lots of bandwidth, lots of hardware. Since it gets `slashdotted' every single day, it'll be pretty easy to predict how much traffic you'll get tomorrow -- approximately the same as you got yesterday, perhaps a bit more.

    But when you're running your own server, and it normally gets 50 hits/day, and then suddenly a Slashdot listing hits it with millions of hits in one day, well, that's harder to prepare for, because 1) you often don't know you're going to be on /. until it's already happened, and 2) is it even worth preparing for? It's just one or two days, and then things will go back to normal. More hardware and bandwidth may cost lots of money, money that you're not going to spend just so people can see pictures of whatever neat thing you did.

    Really, the only sites that get /.ed are the smaller ones. The larger ones already have the hardware and bandwidth needed to handle it. Sure, a /.ing probably shows up on their mrtg reports, but it's probably just a 20% or so increase in traffic, not a 1000x fold increase.

  14. Re:Curious by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's the trick. Most people would say "bigger servers" and "bigger bandwidth". But I know the real reason. Notice how you get 'Service Unavailable'? Every so often? I found that if more than 50 people are accessing Slashdot at the same time, that their database cannot handle it. In reality, this site is hosted on an Amiga. Only 50 users you say? That can't be.... just look at my User ID!

    All the 813,621 users before you don't really exist. These messages are randomly generated geek buzzwords. "Users" are given personalities, ranging from "Linux lover" to "Windows loser", from "I'm just a troll" to "IAARS", from "Funny" to "I take myself serious, but no one else does".

    Those "personalities" alter the pre-populated phrase list according to topic (actually, I am not even sure the topic matters). Think of it as an advanced Turing simulation.

    I was fooled for my first three months. Then, I saw the predictable responses, and realized that there was no actual intellegence here. Just the occassional real life person who wanders in and is fooled for a while. The auto-misspell feature was a nice addition, I have to admit.

    Want proof? Pick a user id. Peruse messge list. Notice the lack of variety? Notice the lack of real meaning behind each message? And when there is real content, try browsing earlier messages. You will find phrases ripped verbatim from an earlier post.

    Of course, you may also be a bot. CommanderTaco is always making tweaks to the message generation algorithm (though his posts, too, are mostly generated by code). I will have to peruse your message history when I am done posting here.

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  15. EVIL! by jav1231 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Okay, I first read that as "Online Exorcist." I'm thinking, how does THAT work? TO: Satan@littlegirlshead.com
    From: Father Mayai (Yes, you may!)
    Subject: Notice of Eviction

  16. Re:Question by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I don't have a beef with Mr. Piquepalle anymore, but if suggest you dig through some of his early submissions for an answer. As of late, Mr. Piquepalle has been going the full-disclosure route--that is, he makes no secret of the fact that he's affiliated with the sites he submits to Slashdot. Early on, though, Mr. Piquepalle regularly pretended to be "just some guy" who found sites like Engadget interesting. That's not good; if you're affiliated with what you're plugging, you should be candid and open about that fact. Failure to provide full disclosure puts you in the same boat as the likes of Armstrong Williams, who conveniently forgot to mention that he was being paid off by the administration to plug No Child Left Behind in what were ostensibly opinion pieces. It's a dishonest and unethical practice, to say the least.

    But like I said, he's cleaned up his act in recent months, so I no longer have a beef with him. Some folks, on the other hand, still hold this against him--which isn't an entirely unreasonable position to take.

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  17. Re:Fight! by Fishstick · · Score: 5, Funny

    If only there was some kind of online medium for news articles where answers to questions like these could be answered!

    Oh wait...

    You can send us $40K by Western Union [and] your site will be protected

    Richardson runs BetCris.com, an online wagering site, one of hundreds of sites ensconced in Costa Rica that take bets from Americans ... without concern for U.S. bookmaking laws

    Lyon says, "I could have left it alone, but I had gotten attached, and I started investigating. I came up with some interesting techniques to trace back the attacks." He turned over his work to several law enforcement agencies, but he never heard about it again.

    "Um, hello - FBI? Hi. Yes I run a website gambling business offshore in Costa Rica and I just got threated by someone who says they will shut me down unless I wire fourty thousand via Western Union to someone in Belarus who *click* Hello?"

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  18. HALF of the article -- anyone get mopre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Online Extortion How a Bookmaker
    and a Whiz Kid
    Took On an Extortionist
    and Won Facing an online extortion threat, Mickey Richardson bet his Web-based business on a networking whiz from Sacramento who first beat back the bad guys, then helped the cops nab them. If you collect revenue online, you'd better read this. Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003, 7:57 a.m.
    Origins of an Onslaught

    The e-mail began, "Your site is under attack," and it gave Mickey Richardson two choices: "You can send us $40K by Western Union [and] your site will be protected not just this weekend but for the next 12 months," or, "If you choose not to pay...you will be under attack each weekend for the next 20 weeks, or until you close your doors."

    Richardson runs BetCris.com, an online wagering site, one of hundreds of sites ensconced in Costa Rica that take bets from Americans (and others around the world) without concern for U.S. bookmaking laws. Richardson received the e-mail just as he and his competitors were preparing for the year's busiest wagering season. With pro and college football, pro and college basketball and other sports in full swing, and with Thanksgiving and Christmas about to create plenty of free time, BetCris and the others stood to rake in millions over the holidays. Richardson was even planning an advertising blitz for the season to drive new traffic to his site.

    If BetCris went down, he knew his customers would find another online bookie, "which will cost you tens of thousands of dollars in lost wagers and customers," the extortionists reminded him.

    Despite all that, the e-mail didn't have the fearsome effect on Richardson that the extortionists hoped it would. He just asked his network administrator, Glenn Lebumfacil, if they should be concerned. "I saidGod, in hindsight, what an idiotI said, 'We should be safe. I think our network is nice and tight,'" recalls Lebumfacil.

    As a precaution, Richardson alerted his ISP, but essentially, he says, "We kind of fluffed it off." The veteran bookmaker didn't panic because, in fact, he had dealt with online extortionists before. Two years earlier, hackers crashed BetCris.com with a denial-of-service (DoS) attack, and then demanded by e-mail a $500 protection fee in eGold (an online form of trading bullion). Richardson paid without a second thought. Compared to downtime, $500 was trivial.

    That first attack got his attention, though. Richardson consulted another industry veteran who confessed to having a similar problem, and who told Richardson to call a consultant named Barrett Lyon in Sacramento, Calif. Lyon didn't come to BetCris's officeshe had no interest in baby-sitting infrastructure in Costa Ricabut he did recommend some off-the-shelf products that had recently been developed specifically to fight DoS attacks. Lyon thought (actually he hoped) that he'd never hear from them again. Richardson and Lebumfacil were confident they had protected themselves.

    When the attack finally came on that Saturday in November, sometime after that first e-mail but before 11:30 a.m., BetCris crashed hard. The off-the-shelf products Lyon had recommended survived less than 10 minutes. BetCris's ISP crashed, and then the ISP for BetCris's ISP crashed. Richardson ran to the IT department, where Lebumfacil was watching the biggest DoS attack he'd ever seen. He remembers feeling sick to his stomach.

    At 1:03 p.m., another e-mail arrived. "I guess you have decided to fight instead of making a deal. We thought you were smart.... You have 1 hour to make a deal today or it will cost you $50K to make a deal on Sunday." Then they knocked BetCris.com offline again.

    The Extortion Problem

    We know this about online extortion: It happens. Evidence of its prevalence or damage is speculative and anecdotal but useful nonetheless in guiding CSOs to understand the nature of the crime. Anecdotally, experts from law enforcement and information security consultants believe that perhaps one in 10 companies has been threatene

  19. I fought a DDoS and won by mikeswi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Starting Feb 2004, my site was hit by a powerful DDoS attack. It knocked out my web server and it nearly took out my web host's switch in the data center. I never got any demands or letters or figured out who caused it.

    Anonymizer.net tried to help me by putting my domain behind a series of rotating proxy servers. Their whole network crashed after 6 hours and they had to stop helping me.

    Finally my web host hit on the right idea. I set up a half dozen virtual private servers (VPS) at Globalservers.com (same company that hosts about.com and freeservers) and my host installed a proxy server on each one called twhttpd and set them all to route traffic to and from my web server at his data center.

    Then I set up an account at ZoneEdit and added all the IPs for the proxy servers with a failover system. Every time the bastards knocked out one of the proxy servers, ZoneEdit would detect that the server was borked and switch to another one. With the load reduced, the dead proxy came back on its own a few minutes later.

    After about 6 months of this, they finally gave up and I won.

  20. Re:Here's a tip by bigberk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When they fire that warning shot, you dump all the attacking IPs to a log and circulate the list to AHBL, Spamhaus, CBL etc so that the extortionist's zombie network is now worth half of what it was before. Zombies are only worth anything if they are novel. And you tell the extortionist that for each additional shot, their botnet monetary value will decrease by 10% or whatever.

  21. Re:age discrimination! by Xenophon+Fenderson, · · Score: 5, Funny

    *grumble* . . . get off my web site, you damn kids!

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