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FCC Broadcast Flag Struck Down

An anonymous reader writes "CNet is reporting that the courts have struck down the FCC's broadcast flag requirement! 'In a stunning victory for hardware makers and television buffs, a federal appeals court has tossed out government rules that would have outlawed many digital TV receivers and tuner cards starting July 1.'" The EFF has details on the flag, the official ruling is online for examination, and commentary is available from BoingBoing and Ars Technica.

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  1. A collection of highlights from the case by The+Importance+of · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've put together a collection of links as well as pulling out various key elements of the case: Victory in Broadcast Flag Case! FCC Has No Authority Says Court

  2. Some remarks. by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was originally posted on slashdot when the case started, and it is excellent news to hear that the FCC regulation was indeed overruled. It is important to note that this case was about whether the FCC had the jurisdiction to impose such regulations, not on the legality of the regulations themselves. If congress decided to pass a law requiring the broadcast flag, it would probably stand.

    As an aside the American Library Association (ALA) has been very active in working to protect our fair-use rights and trying to make copyright law more balanced, even though they might not be as well known here as the EFF and ACLU are. I would highly encourage anyone who cares about these things to help support them .

  3. Appeals Court by drivinghighway61 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is an amazing victory. But let's remember that this is only an Appeals court. The TV cartel will take this all the way to the Supreme Court if they can. Let's hope that the highest court in the land is on our side.

  4. Go GNU Radio! by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because the broadcast flag was so technically feeble, it required "robustness rules" to actually enforce it. In other words, equipment manufactures would have to "weld shut" their devices to prevent user tampering. This would've spelt disaster for GNU Radio, which lets you define an ATSC HDTV receiver in software.

    As open source, it fails the robustness rules. Heck, as open source, it even encourages "user tampering." With today's victory the project has some hope, and we can see some future innovations exploiting it.

  5. Lawyer: a bit more on the type of ruling by hawk · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. If you get your legal advice on slashdot, you're likely to end up as a "guest" of the government.

    This is the stronger of the two main ways that the court could have struck down the ruling. Often, it's the *form* of the rule, in paraticular the way the administrative agency chose to make the rule, that gets struck down. This leaves the agency free to pass the same rule through the proper process. (Similar to the way the appellate court struck down the judge's behavior in the microsoft case--the governmet could have sought another order splitting microsoft.)

    In this case, it's the *substance* of the rule that was stricken. The FCC *cannot* regulate in this area, and cannot try again.

    However, this didn't adress the question of whether or not Congress could grant the power to regulate in such an area, nor whether Congress could pass such a law itself.

    hawk, esq.

  6. Re:Won this battle but not the war by torokun · · Score: 2, Informative

    First, I believe you mean authority, not jurisdiction.

    Second, you're right that industry will try to get Congress to change the law.

    But this is still a great decision, because it means we still have enforceable limitations on the authority of agencies. It means that the courts are not going to allow them to overstep their authority as delegated by Congress.

    This was not so clear in the past (until the 70's or so). Under Chevron, courts give deference in most cases to agencies' interpretations of their own statutes. This decision shows that the court is strictly applying the limitations on Chevron deference that were established by prior cases.

    So Congress will now have to actually specify and delegate the power to regulate such things in a statute, if they can manage it. Even if they do, it's better than leaving it entirely to a bureaucratic agency...

  7. Re:Maybe not by mjh · · Score: 2, Informative
    Keep in mind that all devices now in manufacturing are BF-compliant.
    Not all devices.
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  8. Re:What about the TV distribution pipeline by badasscat · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wow, that's great news, but isn't it coming a little late in the timeline? If sets on sale in July were supposed to have BF support, you'd think that they would already be being manufactured that way.

    Not necessarily, because a lot of HDTV's aren't even really TV's at all - they're monitors. It's up to you to decide what tuner to use, be it a PC tuner or a set-top box.

    No PC tuner in existence right now respects the broadcast flag, and the way the flag is implemented, it is not something that can just be "turned on" in new drivers or firmware. It requires another chip on the board. So if you buy a piece of hardware that does not respect the BF, it will never respect the BF, and because tuners are relatively cheap to make and ship, tuner manufacturers were all sitting on the sidelines waiting this out and producing non-BF hardware in the meantime. (No doubt they had updated designs in the wings, but there was no reason to produce them yet.)

    It's also worth noting that, AFAIK, equipment couldn't be made after July 1 without respecting the broadcast flag. So manufacturers could have, if they wanted, made sets and tuners right up to June 31 that did not respect it, and then switched over on July 1.

  9. Re:These Activist Judges by Detritus · · Score: 3, Informative

    The FCC is an independent agency. It does not take orders from the executive branch. Its powers are delegated to it by Congress through the Communications Act of 1934.

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  10. Get your facts straight, already by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative
    CNet is reporting that the courts have struck down the FCC's broadcast flag requirement!
    You make it sound like there's been a final determination that we just can't have a broadcast flag. Not correct. A particular appeals court is saying that the FCC currently doesn't have the authority to impose the broadcast flag. That court could be overruled. Or Congress could give the FCC the authority. Given the politics of our current Congress, that's very likely.

    We have stories about the Federal legal decisions almost every day. Yet Slashdotters (and worse, the Slashdot editors) manage to read all these stories without learning anything about how the courts work. Pretty pathetic.

  11. Re:These Activist Judges by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Informative

    The FCC has legal authority, but it doesn't need constitutional authority. It was created by an act of Congress, not by executive fiat. There are all sorts of entities in the government that aren't mentioned in the constitution but are allowed to set policy and enforce penalties if it is disobeyed.

    Remember that the courts can only affect issues that are brought to their attention. If you think the FCC has overstepped its authority in other areas, file more lawsuits.

  12. What about the firewire port on cable boxs? by gremlins · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well I am happy there isn't a broadcasting flag anymore but what about firewire ports on cable boxes?

    If you look at the ruling "FCC Eases Digital TV Transition for Consumers."(PDF) it states that all digital cable boxes must have a firewire port. This port is used to control the box and record from it. Now this has been in effect for a while now, although it takes alot of effort and showing your cable company this pdf article to get them to give you a box that has a firewire port and that port is enabled. My concern is the ruling seems to also removes the FCC's power in this area as well.

    And the worst part is MythTV just started supporting recording over firewire...

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    1. Re:What about the firewire port on cable boxs? by AGTiny · · Score: 2, Informative

      Broadcast network TV channels should always be available unencrypted over firewire, but the problem is a lot of cable companies do use 5C encryption on most channels, especially premium channels. I'm lucky to be on a cable system that still runs all channels unencrypted. I'm archiving my favorite HBO/Showtime HD shows to 720p Xvid, but don't expect to be able to do it for very much longer. :( I am at least glad to know that I'll always be able to archive network TV. I currently archive 24 and some of the Fox Sunday shows off digital TV via OTA. Quality is amazingly great. :)

  13. Re:Temporary until Congress acts by Naikrovek · · Score: 2, Informative

    well the term "poofta" isn't very well known in America. When i lived in Australia it was widely known as a term for homosexuals. No one in America knows this that hasn't spent time overseas and in the real world, or that reads this slashdot post. :)

  14. Re:These Activist Judges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The FCC has legal authority, but it doesn't need constitutional authority.

    I'm sure the founders would dispute that when they enumerated a specific set of powers to the federal govt and left the rest to the states and the people themselves.

  15. Re:Temporary until Congress acts by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 2, Informative

    Out of curiousity (go ahead, mod me offtopic), why do you consider the LP 'insane'?

  16. Re:Unfortunately, this will not stand by stinerman · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a rule in the house that in appropriations bills, there cannot be any riders dealing in new legislation. That is, if the bill is about funding medicare, Rep. Doe cannot try to slip in legislation dealing with guns, copyright, etc.

    Its not what we're hoping for, but it is a start.

  17. Re:Maybe not by swv3752 · · Score: 2, Informative

    My understanding is that it is easy to implement but costs to add BF detection. I am not aware of any computer tuners that implement it. Most were taking a wait and see before retooling thier plants. Even Major OEM's such as Sony, was taking a wait and see approach.

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  18. New definiton for AC by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    The EFF lost my support when they failed to spot the issue in the Apple vs. ThinkSecret case. They can suck my balls -- they're not getting another dime from me.

    I guess AC must stand for Arrogant & Clueless. Because the Apple thing was about getting the NAME of the guy who leaked info. They didn't want any money from the guy at all.

    The EFF is a great organization who deserves all the money they can get.

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  19. Absolutley, I donate every year by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    The EFF is fighting battles now that will affect our daily lives for years to come on a very fundamental level, I really think the EFF is a far better organization to support now than just about any other human rights org.

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  20. Re:Temporary until Congress acts by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or who watches Monty Python. ;)

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