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HP Deletes Negative Corporate Blogger Comments

Thomas Hawk writes "HP has recently been making the rounds promoting their new company blogging efforts. Nora Denzel, HP's senior vice president and general manager of HP's Adaptive Enterprise and Software Global Business Unit has started a podcast and a number of new bloggers including David Gee, the head of worldwide marketing for HP's management software business, have also started company blogs. So imagine my surprise when I tried to legitimately leave a comment critical of HP at David Gee's HP blog and had my comment quickly erased and my HP passport (required to leave comments) revoked. Is it one-sided blogging to only let people say positive things about your company on your blog?" Update: 05/07 04:24 GMT by Z : Indeed, "Update: It would appear that David Gee has changed his mind and has reinstated my comment along with a comment from him saying he would pass the feedback along. A good first step. I've asked for an explanation as to why it was removed and hopefully will hear back soon."

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  1. It's their web server by Quarters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have no obligation to host data on their servers that doesn't benefit them. If you have something negative to say about HP you have every right to publicize your message. HP doesn't have to pay for it, though.

    1. Re:It's their web server by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Insightful


      They have no obligation to host data on their servers that doesn't benefit them. If you have something negative to say about HP you have every right to publicize your message. HP doesn't have to pay for it, though.

      True. However, if the goal is to have an open discourse towards the improvement of their products, this type of behaviour is, umm, not so good.

      Then again, this could always be a post-Carly spin pseudo event designed to draw attention.

      Yes, I have an original HP-11C and you can pry it from my cold, dead hand.

  2. Why YRO? by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did you think you have the RIGHT to post something on their site and have it published continuously? It's their server, they can do what they want. Publish your own freaking blog. Your Rights Online, indeed.

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    1. Re:Why YRO? by Malor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that's exactly right. Newegg is a classic example of censored comments... but they admit it right up front, basically telling you right to your face that they delete negative comments about products and that you shouldn't make buying decisions solely based on their product feedback.

      Now, I don't like their deletion policy, but their honesty about HAVING one means I still trust the corporate entity and continue to buy from them. I mostly ignore the comments, because I know they're biased. I'd PREFER for the comments to be mostly unedited. They would be more useful to me that way. But when they tell me right up front they're not, I have no problem with it.

      So it CAN be done that way, and it's still ethical. Without that kind of disclaimer, however, a public comments section carries an implication that the public can freely comment. I don't expect fully uncensored comments, since they ARE a corporate entity and can't exactly be publishing every trollish, obscene, or off-topic thing that anyone wants to say, but it should be edited as lightly as possible.

      Deleting negative comments because they are critical is highly unethical unless you are most clear, in big bold print, that you are doing so.

  3. Re:change of heart? by Marnhinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Point is - can you trust them not to do so in the future?

    They've pulled comments once and could easily continue to do so - I doubt most people would care enough to make a stink about it.

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  4. Jackass by bitpart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You made a jackass comment that was neither well written nor respectful (as you described it in your own blog post) on a company blog. I'm surprised they even put it back up.

    1. Re:Jackass by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes. The "they're completely within their rights, so it's OK" argument. "Jackassses" as you call them are completely within their rights, so I guess that's OK too.

      Try to imagine a world where even though something is legal, it's not ethical. If I were married I'd be completely within my rights to have sex with another unmarried woman (Adultery is only illegal for women in Minnesota). That doesn't make it right, however. Try to expand your definitions of right and wrong beyond a legal/illegal one.

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  5. Re:change of heart? by xstonedogx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can you trust their blogs in the first place? How do you know positive comments aren't just astroturf?

    I think the point is that corporate blogs can be (and will increasingly be) used as marketing tools and should be treated with the same skepticism that you'd treat an advertisement or PR release.

  6. Re:Is it? by penix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "No. Because you're free to set up your own site and comment. Why the hell should they allow you to post whatever you want on their resources: get your own site."

    Sure, that is one answer. Another is to use a site like /. to let others know. The blog they got going is a PR marketing tool and a new one at that. Deleting negative posts has a negative effect on that PR. If their only way to deal with negative comments is to delete them that speaks volumes of their ability to handle it in a PR kind of way.

    B.

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  7. Re:change of heart? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they want to impress people clearing away the negative comments isn't the way. (I guess they know that now) The way to really impress people is how they can handle it by adding a good reply or response to the comment and certainly by attempting to make-up for it in some way.

    Every consumer knows not everything will be perfect every time. We expect it and while we accept that it happens, sometimes it is at the wrong time or is too expensive a mistake. A company can take such an opportunity to really shine their brightest by acting in the consumer's interests. Nothing could say more about how a company conducts business than how it handles the unfortunate situations that will occur no matter how hard they try to avoid it.

  8. Loss of credibility by Penguinoflight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By revoking a comment simply because it was critical they showed they cant be trusted. Since HP is a big company and not just a 4 year old, saying "I'm sorry, and wont do that again" isn't good enough.

    They need to provide something to gain peoples trust back, which will either be very creative or take a immense amount of time. This move alone is just PR, and probably doesn't indicate anything. Even if it does, HP will still have to work for years to gain peoples trust.

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    1. Re:Loss of credibility by __int64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Even if it does, HP will still have to work for years to gain peoples trust."

      We cannot nor we must not ever trust a corporation for any matter large or small. Certainly some corporations naturally carry more credibility than others, based off their current and past set of actions, but trust, no we must never trust them. For a corporation is nothing but a physical and legally instantiated embodiment of greed. As with all greed, it is all-powerful and all-corrupting and they will all eventually sour. Instead we must always keep a tilted eye and watchful minds, and never let our guard down. The moment we do they'll poison your water to save a few bucks. We must always watch and react swiftly; we must rebuke them through our buying power. Greed only understands greed, this is the only way they may be educated. Instruct them in these ways!

  9. Um, check out the screenshot of the comment by elo_sf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not respectful, not on topic, not even clear what the complaint is.

    If I were HP, would delete it simply for incoherence.

    See http://thomashawk.com/hello/305309/1024/HP%20Comme nt%20Screenshot-2005.05.06-08.19.47.jpg for screen shot.

  10. Re:change of heart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I agree with the parent's message in spirit, in practice it is incorrect to treat a corporation as monolithic. Legal doctrines arising from obscure footnotes in Supreme Court decisions written by clerks notwithstanding (Corporate Personhood) a corporation is actually a collection of disparate people of varying viewpoints, abilities, levels of knowledge, loyalty and engagement, often with widely divergent agendas, ruled over in an autocratic and massively inefficient manner. Those supposedly in control are insulated by so many layers of hierarchy from the actual day-to-day operations that they have no idea about what is actually going on in their business (a defense put forth in some of the recent corporate corruption trials), but instead rely on increasingly diluted summaries, overviews and statistics that are generated by people whose livelihood depends on putting the best face on things no matter what. Conversely, the directives received by the peons on whom the company actually depends are so mangled and misrepresented by the time they have filtered down through all the intervening layers of management as to scarcely resemble what the people at the top actually want. To the extent that corporations are successful, they are so because of the independent and often uncoordinated actions of small groups of talented and extremely dedicated people who manage to succeed despite their resistant corporate culture. When corporations fail, it is because these nuggets of productivity do not successfully counteract the rest of the rotting, bloated twitching carcass. My point is, we don't know, if it was simply the administrator of the blog who removed the negative comments, his manager who directed him to do it, or a stultifying policy straight from the top.

  11. Re:HP is trying to have it both ways. by Cecil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But they call it a blog, a term that means one thing - a site for public news and discourse.

    Oh, is that the definition. Interesting. And here I was thinking "Blog" was merely a stupid abbreviation of "Web log". It would therefore mean that it is some kind of a web-journal where regular entries are made.

    And personally, on my weblog, I'm not going to have any inhibitions about deleting whatever comments I want, for whatever reason I want. It's not a "site for public news and discourse". It's a site where I spew lies, write boring shit, display my incompetence for all to see, and occasionally put something interesting up (Much like Slashdot!) I think HP ought to have the same privilege on their own site.

  12. Re:This is hardly new.. by gkuz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it astoundingly hypocritical how you could write two long paragraphs about how you, in essence, stole money from HP, then finish that off with a sig saying "Do the Right Thing". If you really did what you described in your story, that was -- at best -- dishonest. Doing "the Right Thing" would, of course, have been sending them the receipt for the modem you actually kept and used, in case you are too ethically challenged to be aware of that.