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Sober.P Worm Accounts for 5% of all Email Traffic

destuxor writes "The grave insecurity of the day is the Sober.P worm which is currently pushing nearly 5% of all email traffic at the moment. Unlike previous worms, Sober can disable the Windows Firewall and Symantec Antivirus. Interestingly, patched machines are not vulnerable to the exploits used by this worm. What are we going to have to do to convince "ordinary users" to visit WindowsUpdate once in a while?" update percentage corrected.

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  1. Getting People to Update... by quark101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's been my experience that it is almost impossible to get ordinary (read: non-computer) people to update their machines, be it Windows or Norton Virus updates. The only way that most of them will get these updates, ever, is if 1. Someone does it for them, or 2. If it is automated, and does it for them.

    Otherwise, they just don't see the reason to, don't have the motivation to, and just plain don't care.

  2. It's the GDGA vendor attitude that 'cornsumers' by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    be brainwashed into believing that the computer is an easy to use appliance, like a toaster or TV, and NOT a potentially hazardous tool like a chainsaw.

    That this has become the holy grail of huge numbers of Linux afficianados is likely the worst thing there is for Linux. Instead of promoting Linux as the 'thinking man's alternative' most of it's fanbase has bought into the whole 'computer as appliance' mindset.

    Give a man a bananna and he might choke on the skin. Teach him to peel and he'll be hell's bells.

  3. Re:How about... by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As much as I'm a Linux fanboy, that's not going to solve the problem.

    Setting aside the debatable 'inherently more secure' argument, unless distros start doing something rash like including and starting an 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' cron job, they're going to hit the same problems if a nasty worm comes out that affects on or more distributions of Linux (eg. a SuSE worm, etc).

  4. Re:Nothing really by Keruo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rsync isn't really an option for updating windows since the patch usually changes few dlls to different ones.

    Most people don't have broadband, but most people don't have fast computers either, it might take long time to compile the source distributed update.
    And your average joe won't have compiler on their machine anyway.
    I'd remove compiler from linux workstations too. The normal user, who surfs and reads email on the machine, won't have any need to compile things.

    If local patches were used, I wouldn't worry about gpl coders peeking the code. I'd worry about worms patching the source code and creating new holes through modifying patch sources.

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  5. Re:Solution by numbsafari · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That sounds silly, but think about it... How much is spent on "personal firewalls" and "anti-virus" software every year by people who could simply run over to WindowsUpdate and get what probably constitutes the single most important security tool of all (bug fixes) for free?

    ps... I'm not saying firewalls aren't important security tools, but when it comes to at-home desktops, bugs are the real issue... and viruses are just exploiting bugs that haven't been patched yet.

  6. Technological problems and technological solutions by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's interesting because it means that there are still enough unpatched machines out there for a worm to gain serious traction without uncovering new technical vulnerabilities. Worms that hit patched machines are technologically interesting, but those are problems that can be fixed (eventually) by patching. A technological problem with a technological solution.

    But it appears that even if a putative Service Pack 3 were flawless, there would still be massive worm activity in those who haven't patched. And if they haven't patched by now, they're not gonna, and that means we're going to be dealing with this problem for a long time to come.

    It's a non-technological problem, so there may not be a technological solution. (Me, I'd like to see ISPs start throttling infected users, but that's a whole separate can of worms.)

  7. Re:"Ordinary users" by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've adopted a new policy.
    If a student or member of faculty comes in with malware problems for the first time, I fix it for them and I give them a Gentoo Linux install CD to go away with. If they come back with viruses/spyware a second time, I tell the luser to stop bothering me, and that I gave them the solution to install last time.

    Remind me not to hire you after you (maybe) graduate.

  8. White hats... by Corpus_Callosum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone should write a white-hat worm that brings the machines up-to-date with security patches, turns on auto-update, sanitizes the computer and reboots...

    Before everyone starts screaming that you can't release a white-hat worm, please consider the situation we are in today; Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of zombie machines are sitting out there doing the bidding of criminals to extort money from sites that fear DoS, fill our inboxes with Spam, spread virus and trojans that install keyloggers, attempt to get access to your financial and other accounts, etc.. etc..

    On the one hand, we have total anarchtic hacker mayhem (today) and on the other, a sanitized Internet at the cost of using the techniques employed by the shadowy side of society.

    I really doubt that many people would have issue with this. Hell, it should be done in the name of national security. Really... And anyway, if your machine is susceptible to a white hat worm, it is equallyt susceptible to the bad stuff, which means it is pretty much guaranteed that you already have a bunch of nasty stuff installed on it. A white hat worm will provide some relief.

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    1. Re:White hats... by repvik · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Take this scenario:


      Gangsters are starting to roam the streets, killing people at a rate of 8-9 people a day. Do you then propose "normal" citizens should get a gun and shoot them motherfsckers down? What if a stray shot kills an innocent? (And no, the analogy isn't inept. You *WILL* hurt innocent systems by doing this)

      Are you willing to be liable for taking down a major international corporations headquarters? Killing off millions of Windows PC's that are in a different locale than the worm, because you hit a locale-specific bug in Chinese Windows? Or maybe your worm manages to knock out Cisco routers (Code Red crashed my i677DIR). Now that'd be real fun, wouldn't it?
      What about the amount of bandwidth this worm creates. If this worm of yours is 220kb, and I'm getting hit by it repeatedly while surfing over GPRS, will you pay the cost? (Currently, that'd cost me almost 1 USD)
      Or, your worm has a bug that overwrites a random file in the filesystem. Who will pay for the damages? "You destroyed my thesis! I've been working two months writing it!"


      No matter the reasoning behind it. There are millions of different windows configurations, hundreds of different windows versions (if not thousands). How the hell are you going to QA this worm?