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FreeBSD 5.4 Released
FreeBSD 5.4 is out. Reader KFW excerpts from the announcement: "The Release Engineering Team is happy to announce the availability of FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE, the latest release of the FreeBSD Stable development branch. Since FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE in November 2004 we have made many improvements in functionality, stability, performance, and device driver support for some hardware, as well as dealt with known security issues and made many bugfixes." Here are the release notes.
Ok...So how much is FreeBSD 5.4 going to cost me?
Congrats to the freebsd team.
I have one (uneducated) question though: they mention a number of security fixes. How long does it generally take for a fix/patch to come out on freebsd compared to linux (or the other bsd variants)? I'm considering experimenting with it, but the relative comfort of packaging systems I'm familiar with makes it sort of hard.
see a Text Widget
Using CVSup and then Rebuilding "world"
'Go for the eyes, Boo, go for the eyes, aaarrrrrrrr!' -- Minsc
Sarge was frozen.
FreeBSD has risen from the grave.
It's hailing here in northern California in may.
The end is near, put on your glasses and anti-radiation suits boys, we're in for a ride.
Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
Here's a few things from the release notes that might help with MySQL and/or SMP: A number of bugs have been fixed in the ULE scheduler. A bug in Inter-Processor Interrupt (IPI) handling, which could cause SMP systems to crash under heavy load, has been fixed. More details are contained in errata note A number of bugfixes for libpthread have been merged from HEAD. Anyone from FreeBSD know for sure if the fixes above will help bring FreeBSD up to par with Linux as far as MySQL performance on SMP machines go?
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Of course, in their infinate wisdom, the coders of slashdot have decided to make my life difficult with their damn lameness filters
Who do I have to blackmail to get some representation around here!?!?!?!?
*sarcasm detector explodes*
I'll come over to your house and install it for free. If you want me to shower first, that costs extra.
What is it with you people???
You make me sick.
The Mothership
No mention of it in the release notes, I wonder if USB finally works properly on the VIA CLE266 / VT8235 chipset. That's the only thing that keeps me on Linux.
Help promote their new torrent option, seed it for a bit me me and the 5 others doing it currently.
http://people.freebsd.org/~kensmith/5.4-torrent/
if you can, join the all seeds ; )
Congrats Well awaited, will install and give it a try. Sorry not top of the line hardware... But then what about Debian, Debian is like dreamer in high school. J/K But BSD is well welcomed, I run BSD on my laptop but after some stand offs it is one of the most nicest systems I have used. But I always ask this to the Linux guys at my compnay ( ps I also run linux ) why did linux get the market it has now and not BSD ? Even thought BSD has a lot of cooler things . . . PS Apple OSX is not BSD, it is a lot like your lil'sister who gets involved with the wrong type of guy in the adult industry.
From the release notes:
"The -f option of tail(1) utility now supports more than one file at a time."
That enhancement alone is worthy of upgrading!
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
It would be hard for them to talk their way out of the rhetorical position they're in, where (it is claimed) Unix is inferior/dead/too expensive.
It's too bad, because I think they would be in a stronger position had they gone the Apple route. Can you imagine how different things would be if they had released a Unix-based OS a couple of years ago? Unthinkable.
"OH SHIT, THERE'S A HORSE IN THE HOSPITAL!"
Netbsd and openbsd are just as fast as freebsd with the fixes, and so are most linux distros. Its really only commercial unix vendors that are slow with the fixes.
The FreeBSD 5.4 Release is dedicated to the memory of Cameron Grant. Cameron was an active FreeBSD Developer and principal architect of the sound driver subsystem despite his physical handicap. His is a superb example of human spirit dominating over adversity. Cameron was an inspiration to those who met him; he will be fondly remembered and sorely missed.
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http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/announce.htm
Create a standard-supfile with the following content:
/etc). Then you can run the following command:
/path/to/your/standard-supfile
*default host=cvsup2.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_4
*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress
src-all
(I like to put it under
cvsup -g -L 2
Go make some coffee while your sources are synchronized, then read the Handbook to learn how to build the beast.
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
You think they could be in a stonger position then they are now. They own the desktop market, have a good position in the server market, own the office suite market, own a decent development and business integration and back end software market(think SQL Server, .NET...). How else could they improve in position in your eyes, no wait lets not worry about your eyes lets worry about reality. Microsoft is doing fantanstic business wise, sure IBM and HP rank higher on the fortune 500 but microsof doesn't do harware or consulting. For a software only company they have dominated there chosen markets for the most part. Going to an OS based on Free-BSD would make it much easier for their competitors to run software on different platforms, it would be stupid, they need product lock-in to maintain their advantage.
If you want support for the latest hardware, you either need to run Linux, or FreeBSD 5.x, and FreeBSD 5.x is somewhat flaky.
Not true. Device drivers are usually backported unless they depend on some system difference between 4.x and 5.x. I've never noticed any hardware incompatibilities between versions and i've used both extensively.
The next one is a doosy...
The FreeBSD ports system is not all it's cracked up to be. Stuff is constantly breaking.
I honestly have not encounted a break in any major apps in ports in the past 3 years. It's evolved a lot since you last used it, i guess.
The desktop apps just aren't maintained carefully enough (not surprising, since FreeBSD is not a major desktop OS). After a cvsup, you get left wit a system in a state where you can't upgrade one piece of software without breaking a lot of other software. Portupgrade is a disaster -- I've never seen a better way to bork a system than to unleash portupgrade on it.
No, no no. Not true. I had a production system with apache, php, postgresql, gnome, KDE, etc installed (it was a workstation/light-use webserver for a lab i was working in). I installed it at 4.5, last time i touched it it was at 4.11, all ports upgraded (using cvsup and portupgrade), only one install point. After being a FreeBSD user for about a year. If I can do it, in a production environment, without any break in's or security issues, anyone can. My webserver here at home has been running 5 since 5.2.1, same deal - all things installed from ports, only one point of install, all upgraded by cvsup and portupgrade. No problems. Then there's my workstation, it runs Gentoo, Windows, Solaris and FreeBSD 5.3. FBSD has been installed since 5.3 first made -RELEASE, runs gnome 2.10 (which hit ports before it hit portage, ~1 week after official release). Only one install point, constantly updated using cvsup and portupgrade. Gentoo? Great little distro, but i've installed it at least 3 or 4 separate times due to major breakages or just aggrivation with portage. I don't hold it against portage, it's just still maturing.
Your report couldn't be further from my experience. Ever since i started running freebsd back four years ago i've been able to keep an up-to-date, stable system without much difficulty.
When Microsoft wrote their own kernel, *BSD was essentially obsolete, and System V UNIX was ridiclously expensive. FreeBSD is is just now adding features that were in the NT Kernel 10 years ago.
Now they've got decades worth of software designed for the very non-Unix NT kernel, so switching isn't much of an option, nor would it necessarily produce better peformance or stability.
had they gone the Apple route. Can you imagine how different things would be if they had released a Unix-based OS
Apple sells a fairly medicore Unix where all the value is proprietary API layers. I can imagine that if Microsoft had done this, they would have been tarred-and-feathered by the Unix world for Embrace-and-Extending Unix -- rather than accepted like Apple is. Lose-Lose situation.
And it wouldn't that much different either -- Windows users would still be running proprietary Win32 in orange windows and would be just as ignorant of any kernel-level features.
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
microsoft did release UNIX based OS years before they did release ms DOS, and they called it xenix, anyway... to have UNIX as OS doesn't help anything, I have IE6 running over wine on linux, lately when I start it (mainly I use IE to test my web site) IE display pop-ups with different ads every time! my homepage set to "about:blank" so the only thing I can think, I have malware running over wine on my linux box, installed trough some hole in IE, in other hand, surfing net via firefox is secure, whatever your OS is, firefox makes it secure, microsoft is in big trouble they have crapy softwares... "it just work" & "fix it later" wont work, end of microsoft has been start...
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*pop*
Clippy on Unix:
It looks like you're trying to write a cross-platform, intelligent forking, self-sustained, multi-thread application. Do you need help with that?
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With minimal/no tinkering I could get a full Apache2+MySQL+mod_php rig up from pkgsrc in DragonFly BSD. X is another matter, but it's been done.
There are worse problems than that though. I recall having mysterious behavior (also seen on mailing lists) when trying to forward things to a local FTP proxy, which is the only way to have transparent FTP NATting with PF (and IPFW/natd just didn't work at all, but I might have just missed something: it's been years since I last used it). So it has some caveats as a gateway, but if you're willing to work around them it's a great system.
Personally I'm waiting until all of the other important work is done first, finally revealing the power of their SMP and VFS implementations and so on. We could either have a strong contender for Linux' position of "does everything fast enough without being too complicated", or a depressing failure (which is more likely to be from lack of software support than any developer issues: there's little point running DFly if the package manager issue isn't resolved).
Sam ty sig.
Is there a miniinst ISO image for release 5.4? (it's the network install image). 5.3 had one, but there doesn't seem to be one available.
-eventhorizon
#Secret Windows Source Code, in MS C% - if (uptime >= "24 hours") then bsod() else print "Windows License Violation!"
If you already cvsup'ed your sources,
:)
make buildworld
make buildkernel
make installkernel
reboot
boot in single user mode, then
mergemaster -p
make installworld
mergemaster
reboot
Voila, you should be running 5.4-RELEASE at this point
If you read the ext2 notes, it is not supported very well. Nevertheless, I have never had any issues with it - except for dirty filesystems after boot. One of them devs sent a patch (Michael Nottebrock) - download it here. - that will unmount your ext2 filesystem before running the rest of shutdown procedure.
Wrong on both counts:
1) The stable branch does include security fixes
2) The ports collection is not branched, so there's no possibility for "several ports downgraded" in the "4.x series". The only situation in which ports are downgraded is if there are serious problems with the newer version, and a reversion to the previous version is a net gain.
I've had absolutely no problems with 5.2 and 5.3. 5.0 and 5.1 were a bit flaky, but that's long gone. There is no performance downgrade. Stop listening to the DragonFly fudsters, FreeBSD 5.x is fast and stable.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!