Slashdot Mirror


Broadcast Flag 2 - Electric Boogaloo

blamanj wrote to mention that, a week after we reported on the court rejection of the broadcast flag, the MPAA is working on new legislation to broaden the FCC's power. From the article: "The draft bill says, simply, that the FCC will 'have authority to adopt regulations governing digital television apparatus necessary to control the indiscriminate redistribution of digital television broadcast content over digital networks.' The DC Circuit nixed the flag on the grounds that the FCC didn't have the authority. This language would clear that up." Update: 05/13 19:20 GMT by Z : Title amended with apologies to the Bugaloos.

57 of 317 comments (clear)

  1. Legislative body by zoward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "... the MPAA is working on new legislation to broaden the FCC's power"

    I didn't know the MPAA was a legislative body ...

    --
    "Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?"
    1. Re:Legislative body by emc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are not, but Orrin Hatch is.

      He is also the lapdog of the entertainment industry.

    2. Re:Legislative body by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Welcome to Corporatized America. If you can afford it, you're a legislative body.

    3. Re:Legislative body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look up the phrase "iron triangle".

    4. Re:Legislative body by MagicDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anybody with enough money to sponsor a politican's campaign for office becomes an indirect legislative body. It goes something like...

      Politician - "I don't like this bill"

      Evil Corp. - "Do it or find your own money for re-election next year"

      Politician - "Of course Master. Please forgive my vile tounge"

      (Thunder and Lightning)
      Evil Corp. - Mwa ha ha ha. MWA HA HA HA
      (Organ Music)

    5. Re:Legislative body by eln · · Score: 5, Informative

      You would be surprised at how much legislation is actually written by corporations, and given to "friendly" Congressmen who sponsor it as their own. Many large businesses and businesses organizations have lobbying groups whose job it is to craft legislation friendly to them, and sell it to members of Congress.

    6. Re:Legislative body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Welcome to Corporatized America"

      Otherwise known, by that definition actually, as facism.

    7. Re:Legislative body by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And he'll just append it to the next bill to fund the troops or fight terrorism and it'll go through for sure.

    8. Re:Legislative body by erroneus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wasn't the DMCA evidence enough of this? But there are plenty of other examples.

      No, they aren't a legislative body, but they do seem to own several members of the legislative branch such as Orin Hatch, for example, who seems to do the bidding if his dark lord and master, "MPAA" frequently and regularly.

      I don't have a high opinion of him at all.

      If someone came to me and said, "For several million dollars, would you be willing to sell out the constitutional ideals of our nation?" I'd have to say absolutely not. Those ideals mean something to me because the effect of the removal of those ideals have an impact on my life. They don't impact him or those with a lot of money and stuff so it seems to matter not at all to him and people like him. It's a sad thing really.

      It can be spinned (spun doesn't seem appropriate here) any way you like but I think this emerging situation indicates the lengths these people are willing to go in order to get their interests served while they clearly aren't thinking the long-term repercussions through on this.

      I only wish we could have laws put into place to prevent this sort of unfair money-driven interest from taking place to begin with. It is unfair that we presently have a system in which politicians, laws and ultimately the entire government can be bought in this way. Money should NOT be allowed to influence any judiciary, executive or legislative governmental body in any way. It's immoral, unethical and unfair to "we the people."

    9. Re:Legislative body by eddiegee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its $2000 actually....to the individual congressperson. The limits are $25000 a year to the national party, $10000 a year to the state party and $5000 to a PAC. And it will not just be the RIAA but the MPAA, Sony, Universal/Vivendi, Viacom, AOL/TW, plus the individual executives who go to the $1000 a plate dinners. Soon it adds up to real money.

      But our high holy Courts have decided that money equals speech, so don't you dare trample on the rights of massive conglomerates to brib....I mean "contribute" to the politicians of their choice.

    10. Re:Legislative body by mjh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think this is a problem with corporate america. The problem is with the elected legislative bodies: congress and the president. They *allow* this kind of manipulation. The problem with government, as opposed to a capitalist corporation, is that for the entire period of election, the elected are no longer servant to those who elected them. This is not true with a corporation whose customers can leave them at any time.

      The problem here isn't with corporate america. It's with the corruption that follows from putting too much power into government.

      --
      Key to financial independence: Spend less than you earn. Save and invest the difference. Do it for a long time.
    11. Re:Legislative body by thephotoman · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're fooling yourselves! We're living in a dictatorship! A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--

      (gets cut off by female companion)

      --
      Haec merda tauri est. Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
    12. Re:Legislative body by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that's it exactly. "Oh no, the RIAA isn't going to give me their maximum donation of $3,000 (or whatever the hell it is now)! I might lose my re-election!"

      The RIAA is an association of companies (the second A). Each member company can give individually to whatever the max limit is. That is a lot of cash my friend.

    13. Re:Legislative body by AstroDrabb · · Score: 4, Interesting
      So you get Sony, Universal, AOL, as "companies" giving their bribes. Then you can have all the big execs giving bribes at the expenisve "dinner" parties.

      Have you ever looked at www.opensecrets.org? If congress critters and senate idiots could "only" get $2,000, how do you have all these corrupted bumbs getting millions every year like Dennis Hastert and Nancy Pelosi. Go take a look at the Politicians page to see just how many millions in bribes they are getting. Oh, and then go look at the Industry page to see who is giving. Notice how the TV/Movies/Music industry gave $31,931,262 in 2004 with 69% of that going to the Dems.

      Do you really think there is any democracy left in our political process with hundreds of millions in bribes going around to our "politicians"? I know I don't.

      --
      If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
      it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
  2. Electric Boogaloo Jokes are Deader than Dillinger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    the official sequel joke is now "The Secret of Curley's Gold"

    As you were

  3. Just because they're out to get you by WillAffleck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    doesn't mean you're paranoid.

    Sigh.

    The only flag I want is the one sewn on my old uniform.

    --
    Will in Seattle
    1. Re:Just because they're out to get you by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Funny

      Citizen, the State thanks you for voluntarily reporting desecration of the flag. Please report to the nearest vaporization facility immediately.

      --
      Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
      -- Pablo Picasso
  4. Buy your own laws, here by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Get yer laws, here! Nice fresh laws for sale!

    Whatsa matter, sport? Courts got you down? They say you have no legal leg to stand on? Don't listen to them! Get your own laws! You write 'em. You pay for 'em. You benefit from 'em.

    1. Re:Buy your own laws, here by The+Importance+of · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can actually read the full text of the proposed law here: MPAA Shopping Draft Broadcast Flag Legislation

  5. Routers by KrackHouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I get the feeling that a gigantic black market will emerge if this passes. If the internet routes around censorship as if it's damage then technological progress will route around hardware restrictions as if it's censorship.

    --
    What if Digg added local news and a Slashdot inspired comment karma system? ---
    http://houndwire.com
    1. Re:Routers by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The internet routes around censorship because it was specification that was speifically MEANT to overcome blockages. Technological progress here is limited to camera phones and car GPS.

      A black market for running tapes will not arise because people are too busy working 50 hours a week to put food on their tables.

      Corporatization of this country is complete.

      --
      "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
    2. Re:Routers by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A black market for running tapes will not arise because people are too busy working 50 hours a week to put food on their tables.

      And yet... people still watch TV, movies, selecting new ringtones and backgrounds for their phone, finding music for their iPod, burning DvDs of their wedding. They're working 50 hour weeks to put food on the table. And they're also buying nifty gadgets that had been cool little projects only available to tech-heads a few years back.

      This country has been run on consumerism for quite a while. Corporate influence is nothing new. It's the flow of data that's new to average lives. And as specific interests try to tighten control on that flow, it will generate a market for more transportable data. That means either turning to alternative markets that are willing to offer data in acceptable formats, or turning to a black market that strips restrictions from mainstream market data.
    3. Re:Routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The impact of this legislation has limited technological impact (see why below). It is, however, going to have a market impact (economic) as well as a regulatory/policy impact (future restrictions easier to put in place without due oversight).

      Technologically, imnsho, this legislation isn't going to stop anything. Zip, zilch, nada. This is just muscle flexing. This is to stop general idiotic consumers from recording their shows on their own so that they have to buy the Season 1 DVD when it comes out. How great is our Fascist state--federal airwaves and they are putting in regulations limiting the utility to end consumers.

      Remember, this was prompted by a flag, not a DRM, although such legislation would likely make DRM of broadcasts easier. That's the policy/regulatory problem that we should be scared of.

      But technologically, there are many cards on the market presently in use that ignore the broadcast flag. Those are legal.

      Cards that in the future will not ignore the flag will likely be easily hacked, since the flag will likely be a little firmware or software routine that hackers will just gut and list their accomplishment online for all to see.

      Further, projects such as the GNU Radio HDTV decoder (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/images/hdtv- samples.html) already exist. So unless they are going to start screwing people from buying off the shelf lab equipment, even more documentation will arise online for people to roll their own tuner.

      Go after this legislation because it's a bad idea. Not because of a black market, but because (1) it opens the door to future restrictions, particularly DRM, and (2) is indicative of future restrictions on free or open media and hardware, similar to how attacks on the GPL have come from proprietary software companies (DRM backing companies may/will try to outlaw non-DRM'd digital media).

  6. Re:harder this time by Harbinjer · · Score: 2

    Or as some know it the DMCA.

    Cory Doctorow has some comments on this at http://www.boingboing.net/2005/05/13/broadcast_fla g_back_.html/

  7. Government Logic by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    > The DC Circuit nixed the flag on the grounds that the FCC didn't have the authority. This language would clear that up.

    1. Anything not nailed down is mine.
    2. Anything I can pry loose is not nailed down.
    3. If the only tool you have is a crowbar, every problem looks like hours and hours of fun!

    Of course we can get along just fine with the software industry. TCPA, DRM, Steam, Valve, Half-Life, Crowbar. It all makes sense now!

  8. Please note the difference: by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A bugaloo is not the same thing as a boogaloo.

    --
    http://alternatives.rzero.com/
  9. Re:harder this time by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You are wrong. DMCA was passed BECAUSE courts refused to extend copyright.

    This is another attempt to bypass courts and surreptitously impose a law that tramples upon a citizen's rights.

    If the courts strike down a law passed by Congress, then MPAA may realize its futile. But with many of our beloved congressmen being stooges of big business... they may as well replace the judges.

    --
    "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
  10. Land of the Free (except where prohibited) by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a path of self destruction - there's a price people are willing to pay for entertainment. Cross the line and they'll become pirates. The real challenge of capitalism is to make sure that it works out fine for EVERYONE. For socialism the challenge is induvidual incentive. Neither works, if they don't try to address these challenges.

    Scott Adams: If the capitalists don't like capitalism, they shouldn't have named it after themselves.

  11. Wow, didn't see THAT coming by smchris · · Score: 2, Funny


    I still think they would rather hold off until fall of '08 to blame Clinton and the Democrats for requiring a new TV in every trailer.

  12. Eliminate the middleman! by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My don't we just put the MPAA directly in charge of broadcast television technical standards?

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  13. MPAA was elected? by twl1973 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love it how the MPAA can draft legislation for the Congress now. I thought that we elected people to actually draft legislation but I guess I was wrong. Now all you need to draft legislation is a billion dollars and the knowledge of where to deposit some of the money.

    1. Re:MPAA was elected? by brontus3927 · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, no, no. Any one can draft legislation. All you need is to know how to write, and a way to write it down. We elect people to sponsor legislation, debate legislation, and vote on legislation. Further, I'd hazzard a bet that there hasn't been a bill on the table in many years that was actually WRITTEN (i.e. drafted) by a Congressperson. Most were written by their staff.

  14. Bare with me... by bhsx · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm going for a new meme here:
    My mom washed the broadcast flag, and it BLEW UP!

    --
    put the what in the where?
  15. Better copyright provisions: by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Perhaps it would be wisest if the government would rule as follows: Any information broadcast in such a manner as to distribute it widely shall be deemed protected under copyright law, but only to the extent that you cannot sell copies of the information; that is, you may record it in any medium you want; you may display the information in any manner you want, even in a public performance; the only thing you cannot do is charge for it; only the copyright holder may do that. Therefore, you cannot charge others to watch a public performance of the same, nor can you charge for copies on, say, DVD.

    This would solve a variety of problems: Fair use would not be destroyed. And because information broadcast is, to all practical extents, available for consumption by "the public", then there should be no restriction on time- or format-shifting of the same. This law would be much more fair to both sides of the issue, as the bottom line is that our country is meant to be free, not governed by the will of corporations, though corporations should still have a fair chance at profits, even big profits, because corporations are the ones that pay us, feed us, drive our economy, and give us a better standard of living through the channeling of funds and efforts that would otherwise not take place.

    1. Re:Better copyright provisions: by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're assuming the companies the MPAA represents, and the congressmen they own, want a fair deal.

      To them, it won't be a fair setup until everything we watch is
      a) produced by a MPAA member
      b) paid for* by every watcher, every time they view it. Yes, that means you pay twice as much if two people watch one show simultaneously.
      c) even better, paid for by potential viewers, whether you watch it or not.
      d) uncopyable, unless they're doing the copying
      e) Chargable like b) every time you change format or viewer, in addition to the per-viewing fee.
      f) only viewable when the MPAA producer wants you to watch it, especially if you're in a different country
      g) eternal copyright, so that all of the above applies to all content, forever.
      h) all fair use of any kind is eliminated.

      * paid for to include a flat rate fee, per-viewing fee, or unskippable commercials. Ideally, they'd like all three at once.

      "[Skipping ads with a PVR or VCR] is theft. Your contract with the network when you get the show is you're going to watch the spots. Otherwise you couldn't get the show on an ad-supported basis. Any time you skip a commercial . . . you're actually stealing the programming."

      This beautiful piece of logic was bruited about as part of the Big Media blitz against ReplayTV's model 4000 personal video recorder.

      This is what we're dealing with.

      --
      Remember kids, it's all fun and games until someone commits wholesale galactic genocide.
  16. No such thing as "digital" by Khyber · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nothing is digital, once going to the pure nature of electronics and electricity. Even information transmitted over a fiber optic cable is an analog wave of light. Anything transmitted over a copper wire is an analog electrical waveform. When it comes down to all of it, Digital does not exist. We cannot look at a digital signal thru an oscilloscope and see 1's and 0's shooting across our screen.

    Digital phone network? Nope, it's still an analog wave carrying all of the information. No matter how anything goes or is transmitted, there's no true such thing as digital.

    --
    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    1. Re:No such thing as "digital" by mjh · · Score: 2, Informative

      In one sense, you're right. Digital is an abstraction of a wave. But that's like saying that there's no such thing as red, just an EM wavelength. The reality is that we call a particular wavelength red because that's the name we've given it. Digital is the same way. There are lots of different naming conventions, but they all come down to this: this particular waveform is a 0 and this other one is a 1. 0 and 1 are names for the wave form in exactly the same way that red is the name for a particular EM wavelength.

      That being said, I know what you mean, but we abstract all kinds of things and give them names. Take cars for example. That's just an abstract name for an engine, a control system, a cabin, and wheels. But because cars are really composed of all of those things, doesn't mean that cars don't exist as things themselves.

      $.02

      --
      Key to financial independence: Spend less than you earn. Save and invest the difference. Do it for a long time.
  17. Interesting Implication by Bob(TM) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, it's interesting that the MPAA is taking the approach of giving additional regulatory power of the FCC rather than lobbying congress to mandate the flag.

    Laying groundwork for easier actions in the future, perhaps ...

    --

    The little guy just ain't getting it, is he?
  18. Follow the money by sterno · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This won't be difficult to get passed at all. It's giving the FCC a very specific mandate to regulate something. So there should be minimal concern about broader implications. Furthermore, all the media companies will be pumping the election funds full of cash to get it passed.

    It'll pass with ease.

    --
    This sig has been temporarily disconnected or is no longer in service
    1. Re:Follow the money by michael_cain · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It'll pass with ease.

      I was going to say exactly the opposite thing. Once there's some testimony -- and the computer companies are certainly going to insist that they get a chance to air their views in public -- that the only ways the FCC can handle this is to either (a) outlaw copying outright, which takes away constituents' ability to continue time-shifting, or (b) micromanage all kinds of different technologies like hard disks and software decoders in order to ensure that the flags are honored, I figure that Congress is going to want nothing to do with it.

  19. Re:harder this time Huh??? by kclittle · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This is another attempt to bypass courts and surreptitously impose a law that tramples upon a citizen's rights.

    Let's not lose sight of how the U.S. Government works here...

    Congress *makes the rule*, and the courts *enforce* them. So, the media, having been told by the courts, "this is not what Congress intended", are going to the source of the rules and requesting a change -- as any group of citizens in the country have a right to do. You may not agree with the request, and it is your right to oppose and argue against the change, but there is no "bypassing" to rant an rail against.

    --
    Generally, bash is superior to python in those environments where python is not installed.
  20. with apologies to Mel Brooks... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Fellow members of the American Senate, hear me! Shall we continue to give hand-out after hand-out to the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and draft decent legislation for the poor? How does the Senate vote?"

    [in unison] "F**k the poor!"

    "Good!"

  21. Problem with it is... by snwcrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The device makers will put up a pretty strong resistance to this. MPAA isn't the only industry group that would be lobbying over this.

    The FCC regulations were politically convenient, since the elected officals could distance themselves from it, claim to support or oppose it depending on the direction of the political winds.

    Republicans would probably find it hard to increase the amount of regulation on high-tech industries. Not saying it's impossible, but it's hardly going to zip right on through. Unlike the DMCA which was generally pro-business this bill pits several intrests against one another. If the bill directly attacked consumers it would pass in a hearbeat :)

    --
    Save a life, sign your organ donor card.
    1. Re:Problem with it is... by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope they do, but I don't have much faith. Intel, Hitachi, and other companies are already in bed with the entertainment industry (such as Sony) in terms of devising content control schemes to forbid transmission of flagged content over firewire to noncompliant devices (read: your PC-based PVR).

  22. Re:And the really sad thing is. . . by ReverendLoki · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Do you really think something as blatant as this has any chance of even making it into committee?

    It's almost, but not quite, as blatant as the current Nominee for UN Delegate's contempt for the UN, and we all see how quickly that was struck down...

    Never underestimate the power of:
    (a) Money
    (b) Ignorance
    (c) Stupid people in large groups
    (d) All of the above.

    --
    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
  23. I hope not... by Stop+Error · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it really the Federal Governments job to mandate technologies who's sole purpose is to restrict what I do with media in my home?

    I hope this gets crushed. I hate the idea of the Fed's in my home dictating whe I can do with my stuff by means of Technology that I will simply have to work around which will probobly make me a criminal at that point.

    How depressing.

    --
    No keyboard detected. Press any key to continue.
  24. err, indescriminate *and* broadcast flag? can't be by tota · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Am I the only one to find the words "indiscriminate redistribution" and "broadcast flag" difficult to use in the same sentence.

    Are they being ironic or what?

    --
    TODO: 753) write sig.
  25. Re:Well... by brontus3927 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone can write a bill, you don't have to be in congress for that. Private citizens can write a bill on any topic they want. What a private citizen can't do is sponsor legislation. A congressman/senator has to sponsor a bill before it will be "debated" and voted on. I'm not naive enough to think there isn't at least 1 congressman whose campaign wasn't paid for by the MPAA and has a cushy $200,000 job waiting for them after they leave office, which is actual the issue that who are so, rightly, indignat about.

  26. Re:Well... by Sheetrock · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Can someone please tell me why we are letting the MPAA (or any **aa for that matter) draft legislation?

    Because voters do no research beyond attack advertisements and puff pieces on news channels, reelect lousy incumbents because they're afraid of the other party getting in, and care only about one or two issues rather than integrity.

    As it is, a congressman is more likely to get raked over the coals for voting with integrity because this stuff always gets attached to patriotic or must-pass legislation (and voters never seem to go after the guys that sneak this stuff in.)

    Actually, I don't think there's anything wrong with industry giving input to legislation that will affect them, but there's clearly no balance here. You'd be surprised too by how many articles are written and segments are produced by PR firms and basically passed on as news by the media. We let them get away with it for the same reason they do it -- it's easier than the alternative.

    --

    Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
    -- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.




  27. Nah, they'll just tack it on another bill by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like a supplemental spending bill for Bush's Iraqi adventure. After all, who would not want to support the troops?

  28. Loss of respect for the law. by Harry+Coin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nothing is more harmful to the rule of law than measures such as these. Blatantly obvious purchase of legislation, the ever-expanding scope of "criminal" behavior, and plainly selective enforcement of the law is combining to create an entire generation of people who will simply ignore the increasingly broad and self-contradictory stack of rules.

    People truly follow the small subset of the law that they understand, and nothing more.

    --
    That's pre 7-11 thinking....
  29. Jurisdiction by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The FCC mission is to prohibit interference among signals, by enforcing the assignment of segregated communications channels. Some of those channels travel over "airwaves" owned by the public: the space between points in the US which carries light in frequencies invisible to humans. That trusteeship of the airwaves justifies another role: publicly receivable signals transmitted over those airwaves must meet acceptable standards for public consumption, as agreed by transmitters in the terms of their license for spectrum leased from the FCC. Those standards are limited to offensive criteria, like sexual representations, some politics, and (minimally) violence. That is the FCC's entire mission, which excludes private transmissions (including subscriptions like cable and satellite), and transmissions in media other than the airwaves (including telephone and data networks).

    This "broadcast flag" rule is not just "technically illegal". Content policing is the jurisdiction of the Library of Congress' Copyright Office. That office is already complicated (and often contradictory) enough, with its own overreaches (eg. copyright perpetuation). This rule is not so much the FCC filling a gap, or even augmenting LoC oversight. It is really a recognition by a bureaucracy that its main source of power, administering the airwaves, is becoming a tiny area of activity. As other media dwarf the airwaves in traffic, and tech like phased arrays undermine even the necessity for segregation of channels by frequency, the FCC is becoming merely a 20th Century office, as obsolete as the 19th Century offices governing horsedrawn carriages. But its ability to influence Congress, while it still controls the still popular airwaves (which carry most news broadcasts), offers a way to change its mission to one with more power than it ever had. If it jumps beyond the airwaves domain, to define its mission as censor (rather than guarantor of signal integrity), it will not only have power over otherwise free American activities, but need never again be threatened with obsolescence.

    The FCC's creeping power grabs are completely predictable, given the increasing irrelevance of the underlying problem it is chartered to solve. But Congress should see this as a chance to phase out a dangerous and unnecessary bureaucracy. Preserving only its technically necessary functions, while they still exist. Then let it die, not reanimate it as a monster censor we'll never banish.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

  30. Re:harder this time by alienw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hardware manufacturers are in China. They don't have much of an influence on US policies. Microsoft, Apple, and Intel don't manufacture TVs or VCRs, and ultimately don't care all that much.

  31. Re:harder this time by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's not technically true, just practically true.

    1201 et seq only apply to works protected under Title 17. Once a work hits the public domain, it's okay to circumvent with regards to it.

    However, when this argument was tried with regards to DeCSS in conjunction with CSS-encrypted public domain movies on DVD, it flopped, since the courts that looked at the issue didn't think that this was a real impediment to getting those works generally, and that it would make these provisions pretty useless if that argument were accepted.

    Once most movies on DVD are in the public domain, something currently scheduled for the mid to late 21st century, perhaps it will find a more receptive audience. Personally I'd like to think we'll come to our senses and get rid of the DMCA and generally fix copyright law, long before then.

    --
    -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
  32. Re:What about legislation to ban the MPAA? by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The MPAA is a group of businesses that works together to protect their right to the business. Know who else does that? The mafia. RICO, anyone?

    Good call. I propose that from now on, we should refer to the MPAA/RIAA as the "Media Mafia". Who's with me?

  33. Re:harder this time by javamann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know, everytime I see something with Ashcroft's name attached it can't be good.

  34. Re:harder this time by samkass · · Score: 2, Funny

    I agree. However, it started out as Eldred v Reno, so it's an equal-opportunity sell-out by our government to Disney.

    --
    E pluribus unum