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New Rodent Species Found

IZ Reloaded writes "A new species of rodent has been discovered by World Conservation Society researcher Dr. Robert Timmins. He found this creature in a hunter's market in Central Laos. The creature known as Kha-Nyou to the locals is so unique it represents an entire new family of wildlife. Kha-Nyou diverged from other rodents millions of years ago."

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  1. I don't understand... by slapout · · Score: 3, Insightful

    known as Kha-Nyou to the locals

    How could it be discovered if it's already known to someone?

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    1. Re:I don't understand... by oscartheduck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same way that the American continent was discovered despite there being millions of people living there already.

      Discovered doesn't mean "first discovered". It means something more like "finally discovered by a white human male with either a degree or a lot of money".

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    2. Re:I don't understand... by Physician · · Score: 1, Insightful

      One does not have to be the first person to observe something for the term "discover" to be utilized. Was the person who "discovered" Jerry Seinfeld his mom or an executive at NBC? Definition Number One under dictionary.com for discover: 1. To notice or learn, especially by making an effort (If I get a mod point, even if it's -1, then I will count myself lucky)

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    3. Re:I don't understand... by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Discovered doesn't mean "first discovered". It means something more like "finally discovered by a white human male with either a degree or a lot of money".
      Oh, please. The point is that it's been placed into the scientific classification scheme for the first time, and now it can be related to the rest of scientific knowledge about mammals.

      The planet Uranus is visible to the naked eye. I'm sure countless prehistoric people saw it at one time or another. Ancient people also classified stars and planets differently, since they knew the planets wandered around against the background of the constellations. However, they never noticed that Uranus wandered around, so although they observed it, they didn't interpret the observation in such a way as to fit Uranus into their classification scheme. For scientific purposes, Uranus was not discovered until modern times.

  2. "Discovered"? by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the "discovered" used here was in the sense of the old Han Solo line, "What an incredible new smell you've discovered!" As in, everybody stationed on board the Death Star knew the smell was there, but they had the good sense not to go rooting around through it.

  3. It's not new, just new to these guys. by loftwyr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm really tired of hearing of "Newly discover species" found by some guy from the western hemisphere that have been known by other regions forever.

    How about saying "Western scientists, too lazy to ask around, stumble across a species well known outside their back yard"

    1. Re:It's not new, just new to these guys. by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're the sort of guy who's going to cause trouble when I discover your house, aren't you?

      KFG

  4. RTFA by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. They found a new species that is so differenty they had to make a new family and genus for it.

    The articles really short. It took me about 30 seconds to read.

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  5. shlashdot. news for trolls, stuff that's old. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Even boing boing (boing boing!) reported that hours ago.

    Slashdot is getting really really lame. That's not news anymore, that's old crap one has been reading on any other blog thousand times.

    FYI, the only reason why I visit slashdot is to read the trolls and the funny comments, all the other stuff was reported everywhere else long time before slashdot.

  6. Who discovered? by Hao+Wu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The animal has long whiskers, stubby legs and a tail covered in dense hair and was on sale in a hunters' market ... Known by locals as Kha-Nyou, the rodent is said to be a nocturnal vegetarian that prefers the cover of the forest ... "It was for sale on a table next to some vegetables," said Dr Timmins. "I knew immediately it was something I had never seen before."

    Headline should read: "Pompous university jerk buys what working class already found."

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    1. Re:Who discovered? by hyfe · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Headline should read: "Pompous university jerk buys what working class already found."

      Kinda like someone discovering a continent where there's already living shitloads of people yeah? (and most likely was 'discovered' by vikings earlier anyways)

      Either way, anti-intellectualism is bad okay? There is a difference between a small bunch of locals knowing about something and it being part of the general biological knowledge. Now, the knowledge will be part of what people study, and will be preserved.

      I mean, how much of what you know and learn do you think you were the first to find out? Learning is next to always about learning from somebody (often by proxy though), and what markes out a discovery is the first person to discover the signifance of the knowledge.

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  7. Re:can you sink any lower? by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's disturbing enough that there are people out there eating rodents.

    North American rodents quite commonly found on someone's dinner table include, porcupine, squirrel, woodchuck, prarie dog, marmot, and yes, beaver (he, he!)

    Just because you can't find it wrapped in plastic and the Grand Union or Piggly Wiggly don't mean it ain't damn good eatin'.

    I suppose you're going to get really weirded out when I mention that there are huge swaths of the US where a good cicada "hatch" is considered a bit of a tasty holiday time.

    KFG

  8. MOD PARENTS DOWN! by johansalk · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What idiot modded your post insightful??!! that was the most idiotic thing I read today; Just because you can munch and swallow doesn't make you an expert in the scientific field of nutrition. Likewise, just because you caught a rodent and put it on sale doesn't make you an expert contributor to the scienfific classification of species.

  9. There's already an answer to that... by Dimensio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...it's called "sin". Sin is deadly. Especially, apparently, to newborn children who presumably are the worst sinners of all.

  10. Re:can you sink any lower? by Reene · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure you can name the genus and species of every creature you shove into your mouth, keeping in mind the variety of rodents and insects you ingest with your fruit and vegetable products.

    Unless you've actually tried rodent meat, you really have no place judging people for eating it. What would you do if a Hindu person popped in here and started berating Americans for eating beef and using cow products? At least in their case it's a religious issue.

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  11. Re:Evolved? by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well yeah, it does. Microevolution inevitably leads to macroevolution and therefore species splits. This too, we have observed and documented. Crationists just refuse to acknowledge. That's what is fun to laugh at.

  12. Re:Evolved? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The totally nonexistent distinction between "microevolution" and "macroevolution" is a classic example of the way religious believers are constantly forced to "move the goalposts" by scientific evidence. The game goes something like this:

    Religion: God created every living thing in its current form in six days.

    Science: Actually, the Earth is a whole lot older than any literal reading of the Book of Genesis can account for, and here's the proof.

    Religion: Um ... okay ... so the "days" were really, really long. But He still created everything in the form it has today. That's what we meant to say all along.

    Science: Actually, populations of living things change all the time, and here's the proof.

    Religion: Um ... okay ... so change can occur within species. But species themselves do not change, and they are the "kinds" referred to in the Bible. That's what we meant to say all along.

    Science: Actually, new species do arise from existing species, and here's the proof.

    Religion: Um ... okay ... so some species can evolve into others, but only within taxonomic families. Families are the "kinds" referred to in the Bible, and are eternal. Except for humans, of course, which are different from all other animals. That's what we meant to say all along.

    Science: Actually, humans aren't all that different from other animals, and here's the proof.

    Religion: Um ... okay ... (etc.)

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