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New Rodent Species Found

IZ Reloaded writes "A new species of rodent has been discovered by World Conservation Society researcher Dr. Robert Timmins. He found this creature in a hunter's market in Central Laos. The creature known as Kha-Nyou to the locals is so unique it represents an entire new family of wildlife. Kha-Nyou diverged from other rodents millions of years ago."

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  1. Oh.. by kevcol · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought this was another exposé on a spammer.

    1. Re:Oh.. by dodobh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lawyer for the new species on line 3

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  2. David Letterman by snookerdoodle · · Score: 2, Funny

    'Already made it to David Letterman. He's surprised NYC hasn't already imported about 12,000 (IIRC) of them...

    Mark

  3. Evolved? by falzer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nonsense! They were designed that way. I'm sure there is some mention of these animals somewhere in The Bible.

    1. Re:Evolved? by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well yeah, it does. Microevolution inevitably leads to macroevolution and therefore species splits. This too, we have observed and documented. Crationists just refuse to acknowledge. That's what is fun to laugh at.

    2. Re:Evolved? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The totally nonexistent distinction between "microevolution" and "macroevolution" is a classic example of the way religious believers are constantly forced to "move the goalposts" by scientific evidence. The game goes something like this:

      Religion: God created every living thing in its current form in six days.

      Science: Actually, the Earth is a whole lot older than any literal reading of the Book of Genesis can account for, and here's the proof.

      Religion: Um ... okay ... so the "days" were really, really long. But He still created everything in the form it has today. That's what we meant to say all along.

      Science: Actually, populations of living things change all the time, and here's the proof.

      Religion: Um ... okay ... so change can occur within species. But species themselves do not change, and they are the "kinds" referred to in the Bible. That's what we meant to say all along.

      Science: Actually, new species do arise from existing species, and here's the proof.

      Religion: Um ... okay ... so some species can evolve into others, but only within taxonomic families. Families are the "kinds" referred to in the Bible, and are eternal. Except for humans, of course, which are different from all other animals. That's what we meant to say all along.

      Science: Actually, humans aren't all that different from other animals, and here's the proof.

      Religion: Um ... okay ... (etc.)

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    3. Re:Evolved? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, last time I had this argument, the creationists were arguing that speciation had never been observed, and that that was macroevolution; "microevolution" was what they were calling change within species. Congratulations -- you folks are evolving quickly.

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  4. Letterman already? by mfh · · Score: 2, Funny

    I smell a rat.

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  5. WWF by alexandreracine · · Score: 3, Funny
    Dr Mark Robinson, working with WWF Thailand
    Really?? Hes a Wrestler?
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  6. Clarification by skatrek · · Score: 5, Informative

    AFAIK "family" and "species" mean different things (the mnemonic "King Philip Cried Out For Goodness Sake" comes to mind - the order is kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species) ... they found a new species which is so different they had to make a new family/genus for it?

    1. Re:Clarification by abulafia · · Score: 2, Funny
      Well, your fancy old kingdoms and phyla might be right for you, but in my family, I know they rest of them are of a different species, and sometimes I suspect a different order, as well, at least with some of them...



      Some of them eat chinese "food" from strip malls, for dog's sake...

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    2. Re:Clarification by jericho4.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Linnean nomenclature is on it's way out. It implies black and white in a world of grey.

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  7. From TFA by Albinofrenchy · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA:

    Found along side the slender faced rodent was four turtles, with comic head bands. Unfortunatly, the rats previous owner, a martial arts expert, was found killed next to the animals...

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  8. I don't understand... by slapout · · Score: 3, Insightful

    known as Kha-Nyou to the locals

    How could it be discovered if it's already known to someone?

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    1. Re:I don't understand... by oscartheduck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same way that the American continent was discovered despite there being millions of people living there already.

      Discovered doesn't mean "first discovered". It means something more like "finally discovered by a white human male with either a degree or a lot of money".

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    2. Re:I don't understand... by shm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well put.

      Many years ago I saw the following dialog in a cartoon:

      Teacher: "Who discovered the Niagara Falls?"
      Little Kid: "The people who lived there."

      I think the sequence ends with the little kid wearing dunce's hat.

    3. Re:I don't understand... by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Discovered doesn't mean "first discovered". It means something more like "finally discovered by a white human male with either a degree or a lot of money".
      Oh, please. The point is that it's been placed into the scientific classification scheme for the first time, and now it can be related to the rest of scientific knowledge about mammals.

      The planet Uranus is visible to the naked eye. I'm sure countless prehistoric people saw it at one time or another. Ancient people also classified stars and planets differently, since they knew the planets wandered around against the background of the constellations. However, they never noticed that Uranus wandered around, so although they observed it, they didn't interpret the observation in such a way as to fit Uranus into their classification scheme. For scientific purposes, Uranus was not discovered until modern times.

  9. any news on the new human species by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone have any news on whether those humanoid remains discovered in malaisa were classified as a new species?

  10. Re:yawn by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Funny
    Read this on Drudge about two days ago...try to keep up next time, Slashdot.

    No, no. This one is about Drudge.

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  11. No replacement for Nutria by Sean+Clifford · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Cool, I wonder how many other mammals we have running around out there waiting to be discovered? Well, maybe not waiting around to be on Leno...

    Since the Kha-Nyou only have one pup at a time there's no hope they can displace Louisiana's Nutria rat problem. Interesting that the Kha-Nyou are vegetarian rats; that's certainly an oddity. Rodents tend to eat pretty much everything (Cat5 cables, cardboard, styrofoam, cafeteria food).

    Nutria rats are a serious ecological problem around here (rural Louisiana). If you're bored on the weekend you can get $4 a tail.

    1. Re:No replacement for Nutria by yarbo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ratcatching? Think bigger, ratfarming!

    2. Re:No replacement for Nutria by Feztaa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Rodents tend to eat pretty much everything (Cat5 cables, cardboard, styrofoam, cafeteria food).

      Whoa! I won't even eat cafeteria food!

  12. "Discovered"? by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the "discovered" used here was in the sense of the old Han Solo line, "What an incredible new smell you've discovered!" As in, everybody stationed on board the Death Star knew the smell was there, but they had the good sense not to go rooting around through it.

  13. The real question then, for this species: by game+kid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will it float?

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  14. Good News for O'Reilly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We were just running out of book cover animals.

  15. Re:Amazing... by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And why are we exploring the stars if we can't even find rodent's on earth?

    We're exploring the stars? Unless you mean Janet Jackson; no, we're a long, long way from doing that. And do you really think a team of astronomers would be effective at seaching through Lao markets for new rodents?

  16. Why humans rule... by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Funny

    We find a new species, and WE ARE ALREADY EATING IT.

    "What do you know about this rodent?"
    "Very little, we don't yet know where it diverged from modern rodentia. It is, however, *excellent* over rice."

  17. Re:It's not new, just new to these guys. by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're the sort of guy who's going to cause trouble when I discover your house, aren't you?

    KFG

  18. NY Times article by zaguar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/12/science/12rodent .html

    The NY Times article about this.

    Local farmers and hunters trapped or snared the animals, which they also referred to as rock rats, slaughtered them and took them to market

    A species that no western scientist has ever seen, and the locals are trying as hard as they can to make them extinct. It seems to be a common theme in history. Is this the future of mankind on earth?

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  19. RTFA by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. They found a new species that is so differenty they had to make a new family and genus for it.

    The articles really short. It took me about 30 seconds to read.

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  20. Yes, New Family/Genus/Species, total odd-ball by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative
    One of the articles quoted the guy saying, "we knew we had a really odd-ball rodent." Wikipedia has already been updated to identify it as Family Laonastidae, Genus/Species "Laonastes aenigmamus". The Wikipedia author identifies the suborder as "Hystricognathi"; one of the news articles suggested that Timmons thinks that Laonstes may be an early ancestor of that suborder, but that's filtered through reporter-speak.


    An article predating this discovery lists 29 Families of Rodentia. The Old-World Hystricognathi include old-world porcupines, mole rats, cane rats, and Dassie rats; the New World families are a lot broader.

    "Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist!

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  21. ROUS's? by mattOzan · · Score: 4, Funny

    are they of unusual size? I didn't think they existed...Aargh!

  22. Who discovered? by Hao+Wu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The animal has long whiskers, stubby legs and a tail covered in dense hair and was on sale in a hunters' market ... Known by locals as Kha-Nyou, the rodent is said to be a nocturnal vegetarian that prefers the cover of the forest ... "It was for sale on a table next to some vegetables," said Dr Timmins. "I knew immediately it was something I had never seen before."

    Headline should read: "Pompous university jerk buys what working class already found."

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    1. Re:Who discovered? by hyfe · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Headline should read: "Pompous university jerk buys what working class already found."

      Kinda like someone discovering a continent where there's already living shitloads of people yeah? (and most likely was 'discovered' by vikings earlier anyways)

      Either way, anti-intellectualism is bad okay? There is a difference between a small bunch of locals knowing about something and it being part of the general biological knowledge. Now, the knowledge will be part of what people study, and will be preserved.

      I mean, how much of what you know and learn do you think you were the first to find out? Learning is next to always about learning from somebody (often by proxy though), and what markes out a discovery is the first person to discover the signifance of the knowledge.

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  23. Re:can you sink any lower? by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's disturbing enough that there are people out there eating rodents.

    North American rodents quite commonly found on someone's dinner table include, porcupine, squirrel, woodchuck, prarie dog, marmot, and yes, beaver (he, he!)

    Just because you can't find it wrapped in plastic and the Grand Union or Piggly Wiggly don't mean it ain't damn good eatin'.

    I suppose you're going to get really weirded out when I mention that there are huge swaths of the US where a good cicada "hatch" is considered a bit of a tasty holiday time.

    KFG

  24. for a second.... by mangus_angus · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought the RIAA and MPAA had cross bred some evil little thing...

  25. What a load of hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've seen pictures. Its just a normal mouse with a scrollwheel...

  26. OK, just because it's on for the last time by Marko+DeBeeste · · Score: 2, Funny

    In best Shatner tone: KHHAAAA---------N

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  27. Re:china by ketamine-bp · · Score: 2, Funny

    more accurately, in china, the saying is "if its belly face downwards, its edible"

  28. Re:discoveries, eh? by oneiron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To discover is to reveal to the modern scientific pool of thought...

  29. There's already an answer to that... by Dimensio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...it's called "sin". Sin is deadly. Especially, apparently, to newborn children who presumably are the worst sinners of all.

  30. Re:can you sink any lower? by Reene · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure you can name the genus and species of every creature you shove into your mouth, keeping in mind the variety of rodents and insects you ingest with your fruit and vegetable products.

    Unless you've actually tried rodent meat, you really have no place judging people for eating it. What would you do if a Hindu person popped in here and started berating Americans for eating beef and using cow products? At least in their case it's a religious issue.

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  31. Re:rat ... by flynns · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or, as might be said...

    who gives a rat's ass?

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  32. Re:Actually, by Lars+T. · · Score: 3, Funny

    God created evolution to punish creatonists.

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