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USPTO Issues Email Address Patent to Microsoft

theodp writes "On Tuesday, Microsoft was granted U.S. patent no. 6,895,426 for treating electronic mail addresses as objects, which Microsoft notes allows email addresses to be easily added to a contact list, copied to the computer's clipboard, or double-clicked to open the related contact information for that email address sender. After the reaction to news of his first patent, betcha inventor Dan Crevier isn't too eager to let folks know about this one."

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  1. My new patent: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting



    Since we're on the subject, I thought this would be a good time to let all of you know that I have just patented the .sig file. That means that all you suckers who use .sigs now owe me a dollar every time you post. You'll all be recieving bills very soon now.

    ^_^

    Seriously, though, I think the exchange on Dan Crevier's blog regarding his last patent is pretty telling...he gets a barrage of posts criticizing him for stifling innovation, and instead of addressing them, he closes the thread. Yes, yes, I'm well aware it's his blog, and if he doesn't want to play, he' s well within his rights to close the thread...just like that kid who would always take his ball and go home when the game didn't go his way...remember that kid?

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    1. Re:My new patent: by Uruk · · Score: 4, Funny
      That means that all you suckers who use .sigs now owe me a dollar every time you post. You'll all be recieving bills very soon now.

      That could seriously damage my .sig business! I've been in the business of selling high-quality signature files for quite some time now. I figure I may as well get my plug in:

      This .sig is free shareware. Register now for only $49.95 to get its full 10MB version!

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    2. Re:My new patent: by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful


      That being said, I'm sure Dan doesn't want to sit there and get flamed all day

      Well, then perhaps he shouldn't have boasted about his new patent on his blog, and invited others to respond. I'm sure he would have kept the blog open if all the conversation was mindless adulation for his cleverness (which it looks like he was expecting), but since he got a little heat, he just shut down and ran.

      As to what I expect him to do...I expect him to follow through. If you're going to open a discussion, don't shut it down because things aren't going your way. Heck...he didn't even have to post anymore if he didn't feel like it, but killing the thread is just plain cowardly.

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    3. Re:My new patent: by Java+Pimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, then perhaps he shouldn't have boasted about his new patent on his blog, and invited others to respond. I'm sure he would have kept the blog open if all the conversation was mindless adulation for his cleverness (which it looks like he was expecting), but since he got a little heat, he just shut down and ran.

      Yeah, perhaps he shouldn't have, but as you pointed out, I don't think he was expecting to get flamed for it either. I'm sure we've all done something we've perceived as a personal achievement and sought recognition and congratulations from our peers only to be less than enthusiastically received (I know I have...). They knock you down a few pegs and you want to crawl under a rock for a while...

      Granted, a public forum probably wasn't the best place to boast. However, I would think it reasonable for him, since it is his blog, to expect that most (surely not all) people reading his blog are his peers (or atleast people who think like he does) and he would receive a warm reception. It's not like he posted it to Slashdot...

      As for not following through, he wasn't planning on getting into the religious argument in the first place. He post wasn't "Hey, software patents kick ass and here's why...". He was just looking for a pat on the back from his peers...

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    4. Re:My new patent: by fitten · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK... so... if I can ignore the copyrights of the MPAA/RIAA/EULA and use their material as I see fit, then by the same token, I should be able to ignore the GPL and use the code any way I see fit, including using it in a piece of commercial code without making my code GPL as well.

      Because the MPAA/RIAA/EULA defines in which ways that you are allowed to copy copyrighted material is not logic to claim that they "remove rights". Removing rights would most likely be an actionable offense. Suppose they said that you weren't allowed to make a backup copy (fair use), then you could do something about that because they are trying to remove a right that you have. That isn't the case though. They are defining (under terms of their copyright rights) what you can and cannot do with their 'stuff'. If any of this violated consumer rights or the like, it would quickly be brought up.

      Compared to the GPL, it doesn't "give" you anything. They are defining (under terms of their copyright rights) what you can and cannot do with their 'stuff'.

      Copyright holders have kind of a dial to dial in how much of their rights as copyright holders that they can claim. MPAA/RIAA dials their in tight (they want to reserve all their rights that they can under the copyright laws). GPL dials theirs more lose and give up some of their rights that they are otherwise entitled to. They don't "give" YOU anything. They simply forgo some of the rights that they have which ALLOW you to do certain other things with their stuff.

      Also, the FSF have not been found guilty of price fixing and collusion for the same end. RIAA have.

      This is neither here nor there. Claiming (or not claiming) rights as a copyright holder is independent of then going off and doing activities like you mention. You are ALLOWED to retain your copyrights (or not, as you choose) regardless of whether or not you then go off and price fix or whatever.

  2. Time to fight back by fishdan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What needs to happen is someone needs to sue the Patent Office for negligence. There must be some case out there where it can be shown that the USPTO's negligence in issuing patents so casually has caused some company monetary damages. If a city can be held liable because of damages caused by a pot hole or a supermarket because of floors being slippery, or McDonalds for coffee being too hot, can't we hold the USPTO responsible for issuing patents for which there is BLATANT prior art? I don't mean this as a rhetorical question. Why is the USPTO never held accountable?

    Hit them in the pocketbook. It's the only sort of censure a government office understands.

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    1. Re:Time to fight back by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the USPTO has a right to issue patents, this kind of action could not succeed. My understanding is that the laws that enable them to issue patents do not require them to ascertain that the patent isn't for something ridiculously trivial like this one, therefore they have performed their duty as described in relevant laws and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

      Except bring political pressure against it. Have you talked to your political representatives at every possible level of government and asked them to do something about this problem?

    2. Re:Time to fight back by donnyspi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wouldn't do that if I were you. I have already patented the process for sueing the USPTO for negligence. Sorry.

    3. Re:Time to fight back by LO0G · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know this is /., but RTFP.

      The patent's actually not about treating email addresses as objects.

      The patent's about tagging the origin of an email address and altering the display of that email address based on the origin of the email address - if the email address came from the address book it looks one way if it comes from the internet it looks differently.

      And whatever else they added to the patent.

      It's NOT about patenting .sig files.

      I'm not aware of prior art in this one - do you know of an email client that visually differentiated between internet based email addresses and ones from the address book?

    4. Re:Time to fight back by rben · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the USPTO is supposed to apply a standard that demands that a patent be for something that is not obvious to someone appropriately trained and familiar with the technology.

      If you read the patent, it could be interpreted as something innovative, until you start looking at the examples of how it's meant to be used. All of those concepts are obvious and have prior art associated with them. I think the patent examiner should have insisted on some example applications that were not rehashes of technology that is decades old, since that might make clear what is actually being patented and thus narrow the scope enough that the patent would be enforcable and reasonable.

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  3. In your face MS by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    EMailAddress timesprout = new EMailAddress("timesprout@gmail.com ");

    while(1) {

    timesprout.spamMSLikeFuck();

    }
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  4. The USPTO is Moderately Broken by Uruk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People have a lot of theories for why bad patents are granted. In reality, it's a bunch of different problems combined. I've dealt with a few trademarks and I've been involved in some patent review talks. Here's my IANAL take on some of what's involved:

    • The examining attorneys don't get it. They don't have sufficient people with sufficiently deep knowledge in any particular field, so what's obvious to the practitioner isn't necessarily obvious to the examining attorney.
    • They don't know how to search for prior art. If you don't know that "a digital identifier associated with an individual user of digital (web-based resources) intended to act as an identifying mechanism" is commonly called a cookie, you might grant a patent related to that because you didn't know how to search for similar stuff.
    • In some cases, examining attorneys are paid by the office action, or how many letters they send back and forth contesting a mark or patent. In some cases, this provides opportunities for applicants to add much more supporting information to the application, and get a feeling for the thinking of the USPTO and what they need to say in order to get around the USPTO's mental biases
    • Lawyers have the time and money to browbeat and appeal USPTO decisions. USPTO doesn't have the time and the money to fight every one to the bitter end. The reality is that the only way to make some attorneys go away is to grant it.

    There's a company out there called M-CAM that does IP valuation - in other words they can tell you if what you have is a bogus patent worth nothing that shouldn't have been granted, or if you've got something that is fundamentally innovative. I saw a presentation a while back from the guy who runs the company, and they really get it. (The presentation started off by likening bogus patents to counterfeit money, particularly since companies use these patents to inflate perceptions of their valuation when sold)

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  5. Re:Bull Hockey! by Intron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you look at the article, the patent is on treating an email address as an object. This means that the patent office has opened the door to any "treat X as an object" patent. Essentially, they have just killed OO programming.

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  6. Women as objects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, in light of this patent let me be the first to patent women as objects. ..

    I kid. I kid.

    1. Re:Women as objects by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, I'll probably patent whitespace. Thenifyoudon'twanttowritelikethis,you'llhavetopay.

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    2. Re:Women as objects by aug24 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Could've been worse, you could have suggested they were only Interfaces...

      Anyway, for most people here they are probably Abstract anyway.

      J.

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  7. On the contrary... by tezbobobo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... we can now sue microsoft for all that lost productivity. Somehow they must be responsible if they own the patent which made me sift through herbal viagra for 40 minutes each day

  8. First violation by 77Punker · · Score: 5, Funny

    struct emailAddress
    {
    string name;
    string location;
    emailAddress()
    {
    name = defaultname;
    location = default@example.com;
    }
    }

  9. Prior Art by thegameiam · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm not aware of prior art in this one - do you know of an email client that visually differentiated between internet based email addresses and ones from the address book?


    Absolutely.

    Lotus CC:Mail in the late 90's did this, as did all of the early mail apps which had to contend with Internet vs. FIDOnet vs. etc... networks.

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  10. How to read a patent by radtea · · Score: 5, Informative


    IANAL. The following does not constitute legal advice (if it did, you'd have to pay for it :-)

    The patent does not claim "treating an e-mail address as an object" except in the most incidental sense.

    There are various parts to a patent: Abstract, References, Claims and Description. The Abstract gives a broad and often-misleading overview of the patent. The References give the references, and the Description gives a human-readable description of the invention. None of these have any legal force or meaning, except possibly as guidance with regard to how the claims might be interpreted.

    The only part of a patent that has real legal teeth is the Claims. Unlike the Description, Claims are not human-readable.

    Each claim is a single sentence, which is often broken into separate sub-clauses to give it a quasi-sentence structure. However, all the sub-clauses in a claim stand and fall together. That is, a claim to a process [X, Y and Z] does not cover a process only involving X and Y.

    Claims may have conditional clauses, but they still stand and fall together. That is, a claim to a process [X, (one of P or Q) and Z] does not cover a process [X, Y and Z], because neither P nor Q is used.

    Claims come in two forms: independent and dependent. The typical structure of the claims is:

    1) A claim to everything.

    2) A method/process/machine as described in claim 1 but specialized in some way.

    3) Further dependent claims...

    4) A method/process/machine as describe in claim 2 but further specialized in some way.

    5) A claim to everything else.

    6) A method/process/machine as describe in claim 5 but specialized in some way

    7) etc...

    That is, patents are typically written in claim groups, with each independent claim having a number of dependent claims following it. Dependent claims may be dependent on either an independent claim or another dependent claim, as shown above.

    Independent claims are typcially made a broad as possible.

    To read a patent you should first read the abstract, to get a vague sense of what the thing is about. Then skim the description and figures, but don't get too caught up in them because a lot of the stuff they describe will not be covered by the claims. The description usually deals with "the prefered embodiment", which is the best concrete example of the patented systems the author can come up with.

    Reading the claims is the important thing. First, look for each set of claims. That is, find the independent claims and their dependents. Count the independent claims. This is a measure of how long you'll be at it. The thing that really matters to understanding the patent is the independent claims: the dependent claims are just specializations.

    I prefer to read each independent claim out loud, very slowly. If one is particularly complex, I try re-writing it in human-readable form. After a few minutes of this it is usually possible to figure out what the general intent of an independent claim is. I then try to think of examples of systems that would and would not be covered by the claim, because the claim describes a boundary between covered and uncovered things.

    Patents can be daunting to the uninitiated, but anyone who can navigate the complexities of C++ or Perl should be able to make a reasonable patent yield up its meaning without too much difficulty.

    To return to the patent in question here, it has a single independent claim. It consists of 11 unconditional sub-clauses and 1 series of conditional sub-clauses with 6 options. So to violate this patent a system would have to perform all of the actions in those 11 sub-clauses and at least one of the actions in the conditional sub-clause. This includes actions like the following:

    "upon establishing correspondence with said one or more servers, determining if the address corresponds to an address in a contact list of at least one server;"

    Rea

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  11. Trivial by mopslik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The patent's about tagging the origin of an email address and altering the display of that email address based on the origin of the email address - if the email address came from the address book it looks one way if it comes from the internet it looks differently.

    Trivial. Seriously.

    "Check the address against all entries in the address book. If it's there, underline it. If it's not, italicize it."

    I'm not aware of prior art in this one - do you know of an email client that visually differentiated between internet based email addresses and ones from the address book?

    Remember, kids: just because you do something first, doesn't mean that it deserves a patent.

  12. *sigh* here we go again by copper · · Score: 4, Informative
    Microsoft did not get a patent on treating an email address like an object. Always ignore the abstract in a patent unless you need it to understand the background. The only stuff that matters is the claims. In this case, here is what Microsoft actually patented:

    1. A computer-implemented process for allowing a user to manipulate an email address contained in the preview pane or full message window of an email message of an email program as an object, comprising using a computer to perform the following acts:

    identifying an entry in the preview pane or full message window of an email message as an email address, said identifying comprising,

    finding at least one field in the preview pane or full message window containing an email message header of the email message containing one or more email addresses, and

    parsing at least one email address from the at least one field in the preview pane or full message window which contains one or more email addresses;

    checking the email address against addresses in one or more contact databases to determine if it is contained in a contact database, wherein a contact database is a set of stored contacts and corresponding addresses, and wherein said checking comprises at least one of,

    determining if the address corresponds to a single contact in the contact list,

    determining if the address corresponds to a mailing list in the contact list,

    determining if the address corresponds to a newsgroup address in the contact list,

    determining if the address corresponds to an invalid email address or internet address,

    determining if the address corresponds to a valid email address not found to match any addresses in the contact list, and if so,

    ascertaining whether the user's computer is in correspondence with one or more servers,

    if the user's computer is not in correspondence with said one or more servers,

    appending an icon indicating to the user that more information is needed before sending the email message,

    flagging the address such that an act of determining if the address corresponds to an address in the contact list of said one or more servers must be performed prior to sending an email message,

    prompting the user to establish correspondence with said one or more servers, and

    upon establishing correspondence with said one or more servers, determining if the address corresponds to an address in a contact list of at least one server;

    marking the email address with an adjacently placed indicator; and

    upon selection of the indicator by the user, allowing the user to manipulate the email address as an object.

    Doesn't sound terribly innovative to me but can we at least be sure to criticize the right thing?
  13. are they f***in serious by b17bmbr · · Score: 4, Funny
    holy crap. email addresses are strings. strings are objects in java. fill an arraylist or vector with strings. serialize it. bingo. object data. associate it with a particular action, open the application, and go. if that works, then here's my patent idea:

    since this is just a combination of already established comptuer science methodolgies (object serialization, etc.) I propose the following:
    1. user goes to mexican restaurant
    2. user eats spicy burrito
    3. user consumes spciy sauce
    4. user drinks strong coffee afterwards
    5. user takes huge shit
    clearly the user serialized his data (i.e. the burrito), put it into a container (his stomach), then treated his data as an object by running it through drinking application (coffee) then running through another application (colon) and receiving final confirmation. toilet bowl full of shit.

    so, who's with me?
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  14. Re:The next battefront by symbolic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you read the patent, it could be interpreted as something innovative, until you start looking at the examples of how it's meant to be used.

    Correct. Now, I'd imagine that the innovation tagged by use of the phrase "...on the internet" will be replaced by "...as an object". What absurdity. What companies have started doing is disecting broad areas of knowledge/application, and staking claim to individual pieces. In this case, "...as an object" is exceedingly trivial to anyone even mildly familiar with object-oriented programming...ANYTHING can be an object. And to think that having an icon to denote some kind of state, or classification is something new or innovative....