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OpenID - Open Source Single-SignOn

Nurgled writes "Danga Interactive, who created LiveJournal and memcached, is working on a new decentralized single-signon system called OpenID. Similar in principle to Six Apart's TypeKey or MSN Passport, OpenID will allow you to assert a single identity to any OpenID-supporting site. The difference here is that there is no central authenticating server: anyone can run one, and Danga's reference implementations will be open-source. The site you are authenticating with never sees your username or password, just a one-time token. You can read the initial announcement on LiveJournal, though some details have changed since that post, so be sure to read the information on the official site."

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  1. Why DSA? by gtrubetskoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I coincidently not long ago wrote a paper (ggogle cache) on how to implement RSA-based signle sign-on (using Python/mod_python). Using public key signatures seems like the most obvious way of implementing SSO. I'm surprised OpenID is using DSA though - AFAIK RSA (now that it's patent free) is a superior, more trusted and flexible algorithm.

    I'm not a cryptographer by any means, but IIRC DSA was put together by NSA as an algorithm that was "crippled" to only do signatures, but not encryption, and there was some controversy because at first NSA wouldn't admit to being the designer, instead NIST was pretending to be one, and then later someone discovered a way to somehow leak bits and it is still a mystery whether this was intentional on the part of NSA or not.

  2. Open by callqcmd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it mean I have release my password per GPL and anyone is allowed to modify and distribute it for free?

  3. Single signiture sign-on by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I want is a system where I go to a site requiring a login and it asks my browser to sign some data with my private key. During the account creation I send the server my public key and that's that -- no need for a password and the login could be done automatically using cookies or something. Then there is no need for a single sign-on provider and nobody can globally revoke my account at all sites.

    You could still have an 'id provider' that could sign the data on your behalf if you are on a internet cafe for instance, but it would not be required by design. So in 'kiosk mode' the browser could just forward signiture requests to the authority after you logged into it (which could even be your home computer).

    This should be pretty easy to do as a firefox plug-in.

  4. Re:Certain Information by sydney094 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The decentralized nature of this is the problem. It is impossible to securely authenticate a person using an untrusted server.

    If you ran one, you'd have only your authentication information stored on your server. Then, to authenticate to a remote server, you'd point that server to your server. The remote server would ask your server who you are, and then authenticate you (log you in). The biggest thing is that the remote server has to trust that what your server tells it is correct.

    This may have a place in the blog world, where you're mainly looking for an easy way to keep your user profile the same across many blogs, but certainly not anywhere where you'd have sensitive data.

    Another point, this is supposed to be authentication and not authorization. But actually, this isn't really authentication either... The difference between the two is really the question the server is asking. In authentication, the question is "are you who you say you are?". In authorization the question is "do I have the rights to perform a task?". With OpenID, the question is "who are you?". There is no verification to see if you are who you say you are (from the remote server's perspective, since there is no trust between servers), so you aren't actually authenticated.

    It would be up to your server to determine what rights an open-id authenticated user would have.

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  5. Re:Certain Information by Nytewynd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You could still use cookies based on the sign on. Instead of getting the sign-on data from the user typing it, you would be getting it from the token and perhaps looking it up on the backend. It makes it easier for the user, and is about the same amount of programming for you. You can still set and delete cookies accordingly.

    Decentralized servers are no less secure than if you had a database table of your user authentication information for your application. With SSO, you actually don't need to know the password since it has already been handled. All you need back is the user ID and that they have been authenticated. If you choose to set one of these servers up, it isn't like people are going to start using your server to store their Online Banking information. They will be using your server only to access sites that you run.

    On the flip side, if you choose to latch onto someone else's server for authentication, all you will be doing is specifying that you allow anyone authenticated by that server to access your site. You wouldn't even have as much knowledge of those users as you would if you ran your own security.

    For the most part SSO is only really usefull within a small environment. Very rarely do I see a need to allow people to access more than one application with the same sign on. Something like passport is nice for the general user, but why would I want the overhead of something like that for my own applications? I'd rather have more control over things. That sort of makes this new product interesting to me, but on the other hand, most of my applications have distinct user sets anyway.

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  6. Free as in Freedom by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Funny
    Does it mean I have release my password per GPL and anyone is allowed to modify and distribute it for free?

    That's a common misconception. We have no problem with people making money from your password. It's the attempt by some to restrict freedom and keep your password all to themselves that we are against.

    We would support, for instance:

    • sending your password out on a tape and charging $100 for the tape.
    • charging you $100 for your use of the computer resources on which your password is stored
    • charging you $100 for the support of your password
    • charging you $100 for this response

    Your password wants to be Free. We urge you to set aside the bondage in which your password is held and join with us for a better community.

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    sigs, as if you care.
  7. Re:Hosting Servers by soupdevil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But Slashdot readers are more likely to manage their own sites which would be candidates for using Open ID, which makes Slashdot potentially more valuable.