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Time Warner to Spin Off AOL?

image77 writes "The Washington Post is reporting that Time Warner is considering spinning AOL into a separate company via an IPO. You might recall that AOL bought Time Warner for over $100 Billion in 2001, and then went on to lose almost that much in 2002."

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  1. About time, too - by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AOL buying TW was the greatest travesty of the dot com boom.

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  2. Market actually working? by TimmyDee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Normally I'm skeptical of the market correcting the mistakes it makes, but this appears to be a case that might prove me wrong. The AOL-Time Warner merger sounded like a good idea on paper, but the two companies were already large enough that integrating their services and products was probably too great a hurdle, especially considering the time-frame under which it took place.

    Either that or the combined company was horribly mismanaged.

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    1. Re:Market actually working? by VON-MAN · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "integrating their services and products was probably too great a hurdle"

      "Either that or the combined company was horribly mismanaged"

      Yes, both. Altough it could have been a marriage made in heaven!
      At this moment in time, big media and the internet do not mix easily for obvious reasons. When AOL made the merger with Time-Warner, AOL was hoping for a huge big load of content and Time-Warner was hoping for the mother of distribution channels. But as we all know, up till now there has not been a definite solution for online content distribution. At least, i have not seen it yet. So AOL and Time-Warner never had a chance to "consumate" the marriage. This split doesn't supprise me at all.

  3. Alright... by suitepotato · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...who didn't see this coming?

    And how will AOL afford all the mail clogging CDs without siphoning off funds from Time Warner?

    AOL is being pushed back out the door to live on its own (like a middle-aged chronically unemployed geek being kicked out by mom finally). Oracle is still living under Darth Ellison. Netscape is using Microsoft's engine as an option (in an amazing display of tacit acknowledgement of defeat) even as Firefox continues to batter MSIE market share. If only they'd gotten together years ago...

    "You've got queries!"

    Oh well.

    At least they've still got legions of lusers to rely on... until they finally close their checking accounts to keep AOL from charging them for service they cancelled in writing six times over the course of a year.

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    1. Re:Alright... by Valar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The numbers
      Check note 7.

      In summary: Last quarter, AOL made 324 million dollars in operating income last quarter. That's only 18% of TW's 1,779 million operating income.

  4. It was just a .com trying to legitimize.... by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The AOL purchase of Time Warner was just a way for AOL to try to use its share price to turn into something lasting. They knew at the time that their business was heading towards obsolescence. This was rather inevitable.

    1. Re:It was just a .com trying to legitimize.... by sourabhkothari · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it was not a matter of getting legitimate but how a corporation needs to change with time. innovation is the key for a company. either you change the world or the world changes you. aol didn't do it and paid for it.

  5. Re:Aol is dying by DownTownMT · · Score: 3, Insightful
    They still focus on dial up, versus the exploading broadband arena.

    Actually, they are pushing AOL for broadband. But the thing is, why pay an aditional $14.95 when you already have to pay about $30 a month just for the cable modem service.

    They were great in the mid to late 90's when the only way to get on-line was through a modem. Hell even i used them up until about 3 years ago when cable became avaliable in my area. But the reality is that the company is on its way out, its just a matter of when.

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  6. Say it ain't true by inkswamp · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You mean, merging already massive and powerful corporations into mammoth mega-corporations might not be such a good idea after all? You mean, nonstop, mindless growth in business might not be inherently good? You mean consolidating more and more power into fewer and fewer hands might not make the world a better place?

    Gees, I must be some kind of genius because I've been saying that for years.

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  7. Conglomerations and Backfiring by Crimson+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, this just proves that money isn't everything. Around the time of the merger, one of the largest corporations on earth was being created. It was the greatest thing to happen to the corner of Wall and Broad in decades. Stock analysts gushed over the seemingly invincible titan.

    What on earth happened?

    It seems that AOL has lost its unique luster... the early days of the burgeoning internet long since past. The prime days of AOL were seen when there was no other way for Johnny Nontechie to get information from the internet with any kind of ease of use. It, arguably, represented one of the first comprehensive portals accessible to the end-user.

    The Internet grew, and AOL stopped being so unique. A failure to diversify and many flawed versions of the AOL software later, its popularity has waned. Time Warner has diversified its Roadrunner offering to add portal features, and so has everybody and their mother....

    Absorbing antiquated business models in lateral merger never makes for a good formula unless you plan to do something with the antiquated business model (you know, innovation and the like?). Was it planned to boost Roadrunner's position? Was it a lack of foresight? Who knows.

    It will mercifully end soon enough, this failed experiment.

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    1. Re:Conglomerations and Backfiring by Homology · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Absorbing antiquated business models in lateral merger never makes for a good formula unless you plan to do something with the antiquated business model (you know, innovation and the like?).

      Most of these huge mergers fails to deliver. However, many decsion makers profited personally from it.

    2. Re:Conglomerations and Backfiring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no mystery about this at all.

      If anyone had bothered to ask any techie about AOL at it's most invincible peak, there would be only one possible answer forthcoming: "It's crap, and it's irrelevant, and there's nothing actually there".

      The fact that business people use some wierd form of non-Euclidean accounting that values form and hype over substance has always seemed wierd to me. They saw size and broad presence in AOL, and thought that they represented large asset value. No, they merely represented a large liability.

      AOL is now sinking back to its natural ground level, and it'll go negative before it disappears because of its enormous inertia. TWC at least has some real in-depth assets, and shedding the concrete overcoat of AOL makes sense. Quick, before it's too late.

  8. Re:Aol is dying by ThePromenader · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... I agree. AOL has by far outlasted its beginnings, and this only because of the "first web generation" (cough) educated to its (double cough) teachings (flashing gif, banner banner. Please click where you normally shouldn't have to click to continue so that you can look at this nice ad first).

    In today's market world, when a company (holding) wants to rid itself of its less profitable ventures, it must first isolate it and make it independant from its "parent" inter-financial network. If someone is gaff enough to take the (dangling) bait, great, but if not, it becomes an investment apart, becomes less (investor) interesting, wilts and dies.

    We've seen this story countless times over the past few decades, with only the logo that changes.

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  9. Their ages?? by stevejsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone else find it bizarre that throughout the article they keep telling us how old everyone is? And that they tell us twice that this "Parsons" fellow is 57? Why in the hell are the ages -57 and 50, extraordinarily normal ages for executives -of these people at all significant??

  10. Re:If the new company still... by eobanb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the reasons that Time Warner wants to spin off AOL (basically get rid of them) is that AOL is one of the stupidest companies I've ever known.
    Virtually all of AOL's assets, except for the wildly popular AIM, are worthless: their flagship subscription dialup service was killed by broadband (and a lot of people get broadband from Time Warner...). Netscape was killed by IE and now, Firefox (which came from Netscape's source...). Nullsoft's WinAmp was killed by iTunes, and meanwhile, AOL partners with Apple on iTunes. AIM is pretty much all that's keeping them going, and even that is being threatened (only on the horizon so far, but coming up fast) by XMPP. AIM (with IM, email, weather, news, games, and downloads) is essentially what AOL once was, but it's just all ad-supported now. When AIM goes down the tubes, replaced by Jabber, text-messaging, and h.264 video calling, America Online will be completely dead.
    TW understands this. They want to get rid of the liability that's AOL as soon as possible.

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