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Physicists Uncover TV Show Biases

Tsalg writes "Interesting to see what scientists can uncover from watching one of the silliest TV shows in Europe, where singers represent countries in a contest, and then countries vote for.. for what exactly? Well it was reported in a Nature article where the show was used as a barometer of European nations' feelings about their neighbours, that Britain is in harmony with Europe, Nordic countries fancy each others' stars, and France is out on a limb."

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  1. Lalah by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Watch the UK broadcast of it if you can get hold of it. The "host" has been doing it for years, he always comments on it and points it out every time people vote for "friends". It's been that way for years and always will be.

    Hell it's the best reason to watch for us in the UK. The back handed comments rock.

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    1. Re:Lalah by tuxette · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yes, he's still the commentator. One of the best quotes the whole night was after Ukraine's performance (the Orange Revolution rap song): "I wonder how many votes that will get from Russia?"

      His comment about the winner - "a plain looking girl who has overcome her shyness for tonight" - was also priceless. As with his commentary about the Norwegian act - "Freddy Mercury will spin in his grave!"

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    2. Re:Lalah by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The UK is the only broadcast to not take the show seriously and that makes Terry Wogan's commentary the best part of the show. It's like a live version of MST3K.

    3. Re:Lalah by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What timezone are you in? The show was broadcast 2 days ago.

      The most interesting part for me was seeing things like Turkey giving Greece maximum points, and Serbia and Croatia giving each other a lot of points (hey, the war was a good 10 years ago).

      The Germans coming last (less than half the points of anyone else) also provoked a bit of national soul-searching. Only a bit though :-)

      Oh yes, and when I drove home that night there were some cars on the road beeping their horns with massive Greek flags being waved from the passenger's side. Looks like it was important to someone.

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    4. Re:Lalah by siriuskase · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is this going to be the next European TV show that gets imported to the US? I can imagine, state vs state, backhanded compliments to who? Alabama? 50 is a lot of states, maybe they will do regions.

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  2. IIWAP by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Interesting

    (If I Was A Physicist)...

    I would find a more scientific subject to study, you know, that is actually related to physics.

  3. To anyone else that read the article... by YakkityYak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Was the information really lacking, or was it just me? The summary summed up everything that was to be said in the article itself.

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  4. Re:Feh... by Lars+T. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The American "Revolution" that didn't take place in a whole country and totally changed the way of government for it, but instead happened on a different continent, and didn't scratch the British monarchy in the slightest? Maybe you take your little uprising in the backwoods a tad too seriously? Ignoring how that would have ended if the French hadn't helped you...

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  5. Cult status by Random+Walk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know about other european countries, but at least here in Germany, the show has gained cult status among gay people...and at least once in recent years the German performer was an artist/comedian that went to the contest just to poke fun at it :) Many people like it just because it's garbage, sort of like "Attack of the killer tomatoes".

  6. Distance-weighted adjustment by Bazman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last year I computed a distance-weighted adjustment of the Eurovision scores, on the basis that if you voted for a country far away from you, you must have really liked the song since its cultural attachments to you are weaker than a song from your neighbour. So if you like faraway songs they must be really good, and hence worthy of more marks.

    I got a map of Europe, used the locations of the capital cities as surrogate coordinates, computed the distance matrix, and reweighted the score from the Eurovision website to adjust for this.

    Here's the top 5 from my adjusted list (left) and the original list (right):

    cyprus 280 ukraine 280
    ukraine 273 serbiamontenegro 263
    greece 263 greece 252
    turkey 245 turkey 195
    serbiamontenegro 199 cyprus 170

    So Cyprus jumped four places by my system into first place!

    I should have cranked this system up again for this year, offered it to the TV companies, profit!!

    The big irony is that I had a proper scientific paper (on malaria prevalence) REJECTED by Nature this year, and then they produce this fluff! Gah!

    Baz

  7. Lafayette and US support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, french revolution has to be taken in context, it was the first in Europe with very hostile neighbours and against its own government, so it deserves credit for that, it was not that easy as simply copying American revolution. There were a lot of threats from other countries who feared this would give bad ideas to their own people which it finally did.

    By the way, I think that French helped Americans just to piss off the english and reduce England's supremacy over there.

    Finally, US governement didn't like the french revolution and backed England in the blockus against french coast. Remember that Lafayette was a royalist who actually ordered the troops to shoot at people a few days before la bastille fell.

  8. That's entertainment... by aldarion · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So what exactly makes this any worse than the endless hash-rehash froth of the "dream factory" ?
    It's a chance to watch something different on TV, a break from other 364 days of fake reality shows and marketing-written soaps.

    Some take the contest more seriously than others of course, but if you don't love it, you love to hate it.

    I actually have a couple of points to offer:
    • The contest is the focuspoint of Eurovision parties all over...if you are not invited to a Eurovision Party, you are a social dud. And if you don't like the music, you can always go the way of more alcohol. It's all about having fun, so lighten up.
    • The contest is one of few opportunities TV-viewers (young europeans) seem to take an interest in which contries actually are in Europe and which aren't. (Believe me, why Israel participates is always a popular topic)
    • It's cultural promotion...of course the entries do not always reflect national cultures, but sometimes they do, and combined with the host country's presentations and info-bites, this actually exposes viewers to other cultures in Europe (as far as it goes of course...this isn't the Discovery Channel)
    • It's a party opportunity
    • How ridiculous is this really compared with other entertainment (e.g. watching 72 mind-numbing loops of Formula 1)?
    • ...did I mention the parties...?
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  9. Re:Feh... by mehgul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Baaaaahhh ! Come on ! I'm *also* French, but I actually live abroad since many years (and have been in different European countries), so maybe I have a better clue. The only people who believe their country is the most chauvinistic are really those who have not been abroad for a long time and cannot speak the language of the country they're in. Otherwise they'd quite get that people are not that much different in their way of thinking, at least accross Europe (indeed I believe all over the world). They'd read the local press, hear the local people, and see for themselves that the only real difference is that the French are just more *vocal*, so they chauvinism tends to show more.

    On the contrary, I have a tendency to think that the French are the most self-flogging people on the planet (although some other countries are quite good at it too) ! It doesn't preclude being chauvinistic, however, I still haven't found a country with such a high level of pessimism about itself.