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Physicists Uncover TV Show Biases
Tsalg writes "Interesting to see what scientists can uncover from watching one of the silliest TV shows in Europe, where singers represent countries in a contest, and then countries vote for.. for what exactly? Well it was reported in a Nature article where the show was used as a barometer of European nations' feelings about their neighbours, that
Britain is in harmony with Europe, Nordic countries fancy each others' stars, and France is out on a limb."
Watch the UK broadcast of it if you can get hold of it. The "host" has been doing it for years, he always comments on it and points it out every time people vote for "friends". It's been that way for years and always will be.
Hell it's the best reason to watch for us in the UK. The back handed comments rock.
I like muppets.
Did they even bother to look at the result of the voting?
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I would find a more scientific subject to study, you know, that is actually related to physics.
But eventually, all other countries adopt the principles put forth by France.
The article was published on the 20th, which was one day before the yearly contest, making it a whole year out of date; the results were hardly surprising, though.
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Was the information really lacking, or was it just me? The summary summed up everything that was to be said in the article itself.
Jerry! --
This looks way more interesting than "American Idle," which isn't nearly as good as the original, "Eric Idle."
David Letterman, though, does acknowledge that his very popular "Will It Float" segment is based on the original British "Is It Buoyant."
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The Eurovision Song Contest is an annual contest where the countries of Europe (or, more accurately, members of the European Broadcasting Union, which includes Israel) come together, each put forward a song and performer, and have a contest.
.. then all the people in Europe call in and vote while a dire interlude performance is shown (this is how Riverdance became famous). After that, each country is contacted and a representative reads out the votes that country's viewers gave.. which vary between 1 and 12 points.
Generally twenty four countries make it through to the final (which is all most people watch).. four of those are automatic placements from the main contributors (UK, France, Germany, Spain) and the rest survived the semi-final.
Then they all perform a song, most of which are hideously awful, and sometimes ham up national stereotypes in the most hysterical of manners (this year, Moldova had a crazy celtic style thrash rock song with some 90 year old woman banging a drum)
Inevitably, national biases always come out. Greece and Cyprus often give each other 12 points, all the Nordic countries vote for each other, and, nowadays, all the Baltic states vote for each other too. Until recently, Greece and Turkey would never give each other any points.
The whole contest is really an opportunity to laugh at our fellow Europeans, see some hideous songs which will never make it anywhere, and listen to some great commentary which pokes fun at the whole charade.
...on grinding up the contestants and firing them in a particle accelerator. I might suggest we do this with American Idol contestants.
Look, the reason you vote for culturally similar countries, is that you share taste in music with them. Obviously these former russian nations actually think they're sending something good. I for one think it's crap and I think the contributions from my neighboring countries are superior. Not because I somehow "like" these people, the music is just closer to my preferred style. There are some exceptions though, like the year Turkey won for example.
It would be extremely interesting to see the votes mapped onto a social relationships chart, if only to confirm the groupings and the weak bonds between certain members of groups to tie them to the others.
Doing some kind of statistical analysis based on previous year's set voting patterns and then removing their significance from the current result might actually give an idea of who was the best artist, contrary to the winner of the popular vote.
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I can't believe that they actually had to study this to figure it out. It has been going on for years all over the world. This falls into the "Move along, nothing to see here" category.
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Which is why Terry Wogan's commentary is so entertaining, and well worth a watch over dinner and a few drinks.
BTW this years winner was Greece and France were last...
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For those in the US, it's actually a large elaborate practical joke to make make people look silly.
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(If you were a physicist) you'd probably also have nothing better to do on a Saturday night than stay home alone watching the Eurovision song contest ;-)
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Just look at the statistics and you'd see the same thing:
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Scoreboard, final
Scoreboard, semi-final
In this case, statistics don't lie. Or at least they agree with this report, so in that case it'd lie too.
For example, you'll see that Sweden got their two highest scores from Denmark and Finland and zero points from most others.
This is also commonly happening in eastern europe, and yet an example of it can be seen with Croatia and Serbia & Montenegro.
Voting on your neighbors has happened for a long time in the ESC so it's not news, and it's usually part as just a friendly gesture from the televoters and part because the countries have similar taste in music. Any watcher of this show would've noticed this fairly easily too.
Personally I think most music there suck horribly, and don't take the competition too seriously, although it's a bit annoying when friend voting go overboard and their top scores is given to a country that has some obviously extremely poor song. But then again, maybe it's just me having a culture collision and they honestly found it was good. Europe is so diverse in cultures that it's entirely possible.
It's kind of funny though; at least this time neither France or Germany seemed to get *any* friendship votes from their neighbors.
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David Letterman, though, does acknowledge that his very popular "Will It Float" segment is based on the original British "Is It Buoyant."
Only because the majority of American's don't know what the word "buoyant" means.
Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
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Talk about stating the obvious!
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A more graphic description of the voting patterns can be found here It clearly show that us Brits (and Irish) vote for the better songs while those Southern (and Eastern) Europeans can't be trusted.
The UK etc are the equivalent of grumpy old men whining about thruppeny bits.
As a Londoner, I have to say that because of the fantastically low-cut tops that were being worn by some of the female performers, I was most certainly not complaining about thrupenny bits during the show...
Yes, there is a good deal of "friendly" voting going on. The reason may at least partly be taste, though. Neighbouring countries tend to be very close, culturally and lingustically, people tend to meve between them a lot and can usually see each others television and radio broadcasts. So they will tend to have more similar taste in music than countries far apart. I would not be surprised if that is one part (not all, obviously) of the "bloc voting".
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As for your second point, why would the amount of money contributed to the EU correlate in any way with the popularity of the songs? Looking above, you'd expect the opposite, actually. A country is a large contributor because it's, well, a large country. And a large country tend (other things being equal) to be more insular and less influenced by the cultures around it. The songs will tend not to appeal as widely among its neighbours or other european countries as the smaller, more exposed, countries.
And yes, musically it's rather like a slow-motion trainwreck, but that's part of the appeal
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If you saw the amount of skin being revealed during Eurovision 2005, you'd probably do a "study" on it too...
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I don't know about other european countries, but at least here in Germany, the show has gained cult status among gay people...and at least once in recent years the German performer was an artist/comedian that went to the contest just to poke fun at it :)
Many people like it just because it's garbage,
sort of like "Attack of the killer tomatoes".
The problem is that nobody takes it seriously. If they did, they'd pit their best singers and performers against each other. Instead (at least in the UK & Ireland) it's more like a talent show with the people choosing the least worst of a handful of songs to represent the country.
Just look at Ireland this year. They have the likes of U2, The Corrs, The Cranberries, Enya, Phil Coulter, Van Morrison and even *spit* Westlife. So who did they send to compete? Two nobodies - a 15 year old ginger four eyes and his sister to sing some dirge about "Love". The sad part is that they chose these two after a long running sub-Pop Idol kind of competition.
So naturally when the songs are so appalling, the votes are heavily slanted to their Euro-pals. This year the finalists were heavily Eastern European so the vote reflected that. The stalwarts like the UK, France & Germany finished miserably.
Another weird thing is observing how the songs from past years get ripped off in the following year's competition. Turkey won a couple of years back and you could still hear ripped off riffs from their entry even this year.
Last year I computed a distance-weighted adjustment of the Eurovision scores, on the basis that if you voted for a country far away from you, you must have really liked the song since its cultural attachments to you are weaker than a song from your neighbour. So if you like faraway songs they must be really good, and hence worthy of more marks.
I got a map of Europe, used the locations of the capital cities as surrogate coordinates, computed the distance matrix, and reweighted the score from the Eurovision website to adjust for this.
Here's the top 5 from my adjusted list (left) and the original list (right):
cyprus 280 ukraine 280
ukraine 273 serbiamontenegro 263
greece 263 greece 252
turkey 245 turkey 195
serbiamontenegro 199 cyprus 170
So Cyprus jumped four places by my system into first place!
I should have cranked this system up again for this year, offered it to the TV companies, profit!!
The big irony is that I had a proper scientific paper (on malaria prevalence) REJECTED by Nature this year, and then they produce this fluff! Gah!
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Well, french revolution has to be taken in context, it was the first in Europe with very hostile neighbours and against its own government, so it deserves credit for that, it was not that easy as simply copying American revolution. There were a lot of threats from other countries who feared this would give bad ideas to their own people which it finally did.
By the way, I think that French helped Americans just to piss off the english and reduce England's supremacy over there.
Finally, US governement didn't like the french revolution and backed England in the blockus against french coast. Remember that Lafayette was a royalist who actually ordered the troops to shoot at people a few days before la bastille fell.
Can anyone explain to a French guy what this expression means ?
Oh and why does it alywas have to a huge argument whenever France is mentionned ?
Last, why are PHYSICISTS qualified to perform such an analysis ? "Nuclear physicist says French painters like eating pork". Huh ?
The article is devoid of data. The text of the study can be found here though: http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/?0505071
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It's a chance to watch something different on TV, a break from other 364 days of fake reality shows and marketing-written soaps.
Some take the contest more seriously than others of course, but if you don't love it, you love to hate it.
I actually have a couple of points to offer:
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When I was a student oh so many years ago, two physics student friends came up with what they believed was an object (i.e. quantifiable) measure of female beauty. I'll try to remember this -- physics was never my strong suit.
The first student suggested moment of inertia about the z axis. The second amended this by suggesting it be divided by the natural period of oscillation. In other words, the measure represents a compromise between curviness and jiggliness.
Now, I need hardly add that for these two young men, this was a purely theoretical exercise. Neither at the time had the least discernable empirical experience with the female sex, because dates for them were about as elusive as the Higgs boson. It wasn't until a few years brought a bit more maturity that they actually dated and eventually got married, an outcome I suppose that may justify some optimism for the prospects of many Slashdotters.
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