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Bush Wants Right to ISP Customer Data
bryan8m writes "Wired is reporting that the Bush administration wants back the ability to make ISPs turn over information on their customers. The U.S. Court of Appeals is handling the case and of course the feds want to hide details of it from the public. The law giving the government the power to seize communications records from 1986 was strengthened in 2001 by the Patriot Act and struck down after the ACLU challenged it."
The most important thing is to make sure that with any additional powers granted there is enough oversight from a disinterested third party to insure said powers are used only within their intended scope for their intended purpose.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
...when he gives our country his data about why our men and women in uniform are *still* dying in Iraq while Bin Laden is still at large.
and of course the feds want to hide details of it from the public
I have read of this before, but it is very strange that in a democracy (?) laws for the popluation can be discussed/made by not letting the population know about them.
Does'nt this seem *too* close to a dictatorship - not that the US is one, but it increasingly is seeming that certain aspects are going in that direction
It's not about getting information on terrorists when they email each other.
It's about getting blackmail data on government officials to force them to do what the Administration wants.
Combine the fact that EVERYTHING is terrorism--copyright violations, every hacker etc. with this wonderful bit of super surveillance and how long before GNU/Linux is defined as an instrument of terrorism? Or until all of our tools become illegal in the name of the Fatherland? Begun the Clone Wars have.
A man who can barely hold his own while giving a speech is now telling ISP's to turn information over. That makes a lot of sense.
Wow talk about a mis-leading head line. If you read the article in Wired it says congress is debating this. This article just starts off biased and just gets worse fromt here. It is obviouse where the writer stands on this issue and what side of the political fense the writer stands on, but last time I checked the Patiot Act didn't pass with a narrow margin and it doesn't look like it is going to pass with a narrow margin again this time.
So for all you liberal's out there that say my guy would never vote for this, and Bush is evil because he did. Check the vote records for this back in 2001. It's all posted on the Library of Congress website.
Well, where do you suggest that we move to? Many of the other country's policies are going south as well. The megacorporations are controlling Europe's and Australia's policies as well, and the majority of the rest of the world is third-world and has many of its own issues. People say lots of good things about Canada, but it's only a matter of time until it succumbs to US pressure. I've also thought about Japan, but I don't know how the situation of liberties is in that country.
Are there any free places left, or am I forgetting a few places?
In Argentina we've recently had a similar law proposal. Fortunately there was enough people who cared to at least stop it for a while. One of the many rumours we had flying around at that time was that the Bush administration was behind all that as part of a deal to relieve some of the pressure regarding our current economical problems.
I personally believe that these are just rumors... but I can't stop to notice that we were in exactly the same situation just two months ago.
What the hell is going on with our so called democracies? Do they really deserve that name?
diegoT
Once the fascists are recognized beneath their lying masks (like NaZis - National Socialists), people are quick to call them what they are. After all the Bush abuse of the people for the benefit of his corporate government, there's no going back to his "man of the people" scam.
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make install -not war
Unlike past wars, this is one that isn't really going to end. The global war on terrorism's ultimate goal is to stop terrorist threats from attacking the United States.
No matter what we do, the threat will always be there, and as such, the war will continue to go on. Granted, a government should be granted special permissions during wartime, with the understanding that when the conflict is over the population can rest easy that things will return to normal.
Only now, any permissions granted to the government won't be temporary. We are setting ourselves up for a government that can violate the principals on which this nation was founded indefinitely.
I for one don't want to live in a country where the government can violate my privacy. I don't want to live in a country where at whim any action can redefined as "terrorist", and I could be labeled a criminal for doing nothing wrong. We've gone past the point where "only guilty people have to worry", and are approaching "innocent people have to worry too."
So kudos to the ACLU. Kudos to any person or group who wants to limit the powers of government. The war just isn't in Iraq, the war is here too. Like the war against terrorism, our domestic war is between those who value liberty and freedom above all else, and those who want to limit it.
The current administration may have the best of intentions, but I can see Bush saying "It is better that the rights of 1,000 innocent Americans should perish at the hands of their own government so that the rights of one American won't be taken by a terrorist."
The Internet is generally stupid
'Paying tribute to the boys in Washington' has been and is the entire crux of the DOJ vs. Microsoft case. People like Larry Ellison and the Apple folks have always had well-heeled lobbyists and close connections to the 'men in Washington.' Microsoft had the arrogance to thumb their nose at the whole scene.
But surely Harold Shipman WAS exceedingly competant at what he did. Most successful serial killer in British history.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman/
That is so true. It points up the obvious that Bush people are neocons and an insult to true conservatives. Bush backers are more fascist than conservative but fascist is a tough label to sell in Oklahoma. So they call themselves conservative.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
... you then have reason to be concerned about retailation....
So the more you know about those you screwed, the safer you feel in control...
People didn't gare that he "got head". They cared that he lied about it under oath. The head of the executive branch of the United States, a lawyer, the guy who appoints judges and Attorneys General, lied under oath to hide a pattern of behaviour (intimate relations with junior civil servants)in a civil lawsuit (sexually harassing Jennifer Flowers). Not a morality thing - a perjury thing. btw I'm not and never plan to be an American citizen or resident.
Senator Feingold, in an interview on C-SPAN, mentioned that many corporations aren't buying votes, they're being extorted. Once politicians learned just how vulnerable Microsoft was, they started extorting money out of them.
Since when was it being an "commie pinko liberal america-haters" to be critizing the president, which is not only what the american people do but SHOULD do as it's our duty to do. The "best he can" may be not enough to save our asses in this war, which might you forget, he got us into.(talking about Iraq) Now I don't want Slashdot to have a partisan political war but you are turning it into one.
But the one question that really holds my interest is how long is it going take the rest of the world to surpass the US in freedom, standards of living, fair medical care, education and technology because the Americans are busy having their militant theocracy and it's hard to get anything else done. And in my mind there are a lot of metrics to measure the "goodness" of a country and when I first moved to the US it was the top of most of them and now it seems that with every yearly study that comes out and with many of the new technological discoveries that are revealed the US slips a little more behind.
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
It has nothign to do with terrorism. If we chip away at our civil rights in the name of terrorism... we will be left without a single right.
Terrorism is a buzz word being used to change our entire country from a free society to a corperate police state.
Those in power with money have the say, and you are forced by law to comply.
Vote wisely... Vote for a 3rd party... ANY 3rd party....