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Who Should Help LinuxFund Distribute $126,155.29?

Roblimo writes "The LinuxFund Web site was down for several months, and the project has essentially been out of business since last year. But MBNA kept the LinuxFund MasterCard going, and kept depositing money in LinuxFund's account -- to the tune of $126,155.29 when NewsForge reporter Jay Lyman finally caught up with the current and former project leaders and found out what was going on -- namely nothing. So does anyone have an idea what to do with this money? Want to suggest an individual or group to take over LinuxFund and run it right?"

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  1. Problems With Undirected Charity by geomon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They could give the money back, but it would probably take days to locate individual donors. Because no one would get reimbursed for the time it takes to locate donors (if they can be found at all), the volunteers would essentially be working against the original intent for which the money was given.

    Perhaps the money could be used to set up a trust for a scholarship fund. If the trust was set up properly, with the appropriate oversight, it could be a perpetual source of fund for students entering the computer science field.

    Now who wants more computer scientists?

    Anyone?

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    1. Re:Problems With Undirected Charity by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They could give the money back, but it would probably take days to locate individual donors

      Sounds like a lot came from a Credit Card affinity program. Giving it back isn't really a reasonable alternative, since the costs to service could quickly surmount the cost being refunded. Perhaps the money could be used to set up a trust for a scholarship fund.

      Using the money for a purpose other than the one the fund was set up for is borderline criminal. Whatever the Linux Fund's intent was, that intent should be caried out by whomever takes over.

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    2. Re:Problems With Undirected Charity by somethinsfishy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've had a Linux Fund card for a good while now. Clerks always say "awwwww what a cute penguin". But that's not why I got it. It was suppose to fund OS projects and encourage the health of the OS movement. Now that it looks like it won't be doing that, I think the best way to use the money to support OS is to ensure the legal right to tinker. OS is a subset of that genre of endevor, So I think the money should go to the EFF.

    3. Re:Problems With Undirected Charity by swv3752 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As an actual LinuxFund card holder, I can comment on where the money should go. Give it to some Linux related project. I would think it would make sense for OSDL to step up and administer the Fund. Or for FSF step up and administer it (so long as my new card does not say GNU/LinuxFund). Either would be acceptable to me.

      Cripes, I would do it myself, but I think one of the existing non-profits would be better for this sort of thing.

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    4. Re:Problems With Undirected Charity by raehl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Using the money for a purpose other than the one the fund was set up for is borderline criminal.

      A part of the Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws or other organizing instrument of any organization should include what will be done with any assets at such time as the organization is disolved. This is actually a requirement if you want the IRS to recognize you as a non-profit, precisely to avoid having to make that decision after-the-fact. I happen to run a non-profit org, and while what we do has nothing to with activities normally carried out by the American Red Cross, in the event our non-profit must be dissolved all of the assets get donated to them.

      If Linuxfund was set up properly, deciding what to do with the money should be as simple as consulting the articles of incorporation or bylws for the organization.

      If not, well, the people who donated the money should have taken greater care in selecting the organization they gave it to.

    5. Re:Problems With Undirected Charity by irabinovitch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since LinuxFund isnt a 501c3 and the IRS doesn't recognize them as a non-profit they likely were not required to do this.

    6. Re:Problems With Undirected Charity by jusdisgi · · Score: 2, Funny

      As an actual LinuxFund card holder, I can comment on where the money should go. Give it to some Linux related project.

      Holy Shit! That's BRILLIANT!!!! Thank God we had an actual LinuxFund card holder on hand to come up with this incredible plan!

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  2. A few thoughts by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oddly, neither the website or the news story goes into any detail of what LinuxFund *is*. i.e. I assume the money comes from special credit card programs, but the site doesn't seem to explain how it's used. Is the money put toward internal developers on the project or is it used to provide grant money to OSS projects? Can anyone fill in the details?

    IHMO, the best organization for something like this is for LinuxFunds to be an administrative entity only. Proposals for Open Source software and funding requirements could then be submitted to the project for review and potential approval. Selected OSS projects would receive the funding they requested according to the payment schedule that was approved. This payment schedule would allow LinuxFunds to track the progress of a given project, and make adjustments as necessary. (Potentially even cutting off funding if the project is not viable.)

    Such an organization would require only a few knowledgable employees to make the decisions and administrate the funds. With funds transfers being what they are today, much of the grunt work (transfer, accounting, etc.) could be done automatically. Since this is a publicly supported organization, it should publish a detailed accounting of its usage of the money.

    To put things in perspective, the current funds of $126k work out to about 5,250 man hours of work at ~$24/hr (~$50,000/yr).

    That's my thoughts anyway. :-)

    1. Re:A few thoughts by irabinovitch · · Score: 3, Informative

      LinuxFund is a non-profit organization in the state of Oregon. Funds come from affinity cards LinuxFund has setup through MBNA. They get paid for signing you up as well as fraction (a very small fraction) of every dollar you spend using the card.

      They were using these funds to provide grants to the free software community. They have had "interns" which work on individual open-source projects, but mostly they offered grants and microgrants to OSS developers who needed funding to work on a specific project. For example Software Suspend recieved some funding as well as XIPH.ORG. They've also sponsorsed community organizations such as CodeCon and the Southern California Linux Expo when they were first starting out.

      According to public records they were bring in revenues between $100K to $200K per year at their high point. Its definately a viable model for funding open-source projects it just looks like its in need of volunteer support.

  3. You can count on me by waynegoode · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uh, I volunteer to help distribute the money. Just deposit it in my PayPal account and I'll take care of the rest.

  4. obFSF by rkcallaghan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me start out with the obvious, how about the FSF? Maybe see if one of their lawyers could be a trustee?

    ~Rebecca

    1. Re:obFSF by wohlford · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah. After the Slashdoting, it all goes to pay bandwidth costs!

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  5. Obvious by rackhamh · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hear Bill Gates needs some assistance with his open source initiatives.

  6. Missing change by DarthVeda · · Score: 3, Funny

    So THAT'S where all the tenths of a penny in my company's accounting software have gone!

    1. Re:Missing change by lbmouse · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok! Ok! I must have, I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail.

    2. Re:Missing change by rackhamh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, somebody at LinuxFund made a rounding error. Tomorrow we'll learn that the entire building has burned down (except for a red stapler that miraculously survives), and that weird mumbling guy in Corporate Accounts has gone missing.

  7. What a clusterfvck by winkydink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Boy it sucks to see how poorly this was run. :( "Nothing has come out of these accounts for months, save about $250/mo auto deducted for telecommunications expenses," Collord wrote. "I went off payroll in June of 2004 when I stopped working full time on this project and haven't incurred any expenses since. I was paid a salary of I believe like $28k per year. I haven't read my LinuxFund email since about January I believe." $28k/yr. $14/hr. I'd say that's about the quality level the fund administration appears to have received. "I'm certainly negligent," he said. "The short story is: the scale at which the business model seems to work is not commensurate with the overhead required to run a nonprofit well. Everyone that's been involved has been lackluster given the range of requisite skills -- technical and administrative and business development in total -- and ultimately burnt out." Try hiring a good business person. I'll bet you won't even need him/her full-time. In fact, you might be able to get somebody from SCORE very cheaply. Get interns with a biz background. You don't need geeks to administer the fund. You only need them to decide who gets what.

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    1. Re:What a clusterfvck by magarity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Get interns with a biz background. You don't need geeks to administer the fund. You only need them to decide who gets what.

      Heck, I have a business degree AND I'm a geek. I'd be happy to administer the thing; 100K can make 5k to 10k per year in capital gains and interest. That would be a nice little grant for a couple of open source projects per year. I think that's much better than handing out the money in one swoop and then it's gone.

  8. Licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That would buy 180 SCO licenses, with a few hundred dollars left over.

  9. Ask Paul Vixie to run it by winkydink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He already runs a successful business.

    He's not afraid to make controversial decisions and stand behind them (something one is going to need when one decides to donate to Project X and not to Project Y).

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    1. Re:Ask Paul Vixie to run it by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He already manages the funding of various projects, so it'd simply merge two potentially diverse funding sources. We don't really need or want that. Different mindsets are good.

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  10. Obviously, decide this via a Slashdot poll! by Cr0w+T.+Trollbot · · Score: 3, Funny
    Who should get the LinuxFund Money?

    • Linus Torvalds
    • The Free Software Foundation
    • EFF
    • The Homeless Lunix Programmers Fund
    • Divy it up according to lines of code contributed to the kernal
    • CowboyNeal

    Crow T. Trollbot

  11. A new bounty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That type of money cannot buy much in the real world, but offer over 100 $1000 bounties for open source solutions that don't exist yet and we could see years of evolution get pumped into open source projects OVERNIGHT!

  12. $126,155.29 by RetepMc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hello Sir,

    I have $126,155.29 of unused donations that I cannot access. Please give me your bank account number and all of your other personal information, and i will deposit the enitre amount in your account. Once it is received, all i ask is that you send me back 50%, leaving 50% for your troubles. Thanks.

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    1. Re:$126,155.29 by rackhamh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Come on, nobody would fall for that!

      Try misspelling a few words, that should do the trick.

  13. OpenOffice.org by mogrify · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about using it to resolve the OpenOffice.org/FSF/Java thing? Either pay developers to get the Java bits working in GCJ, or rewrite them in some other language?

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  14. Give it to Google by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, give it to Google to add an extra 126K to the Open source funds they're funding.

    You can reasonable expect that they will distribute it with ethics rather than dip into it in expenses. If you appointed any other (read poor/legal/accountancy) administrator you would risk it being eaten in expenses.

    Personally, I'd like to see Linux date and time libraries improved. I'd like to be able to convert from arbitrary time zone to arbitrary time zone, down to the nano second from any reasonable year up to 99999 AD.
    Go spend it on that, even Windows time libraries don't handle this correctly (they don't handle day light saving properly) and its something I miss for a server.

  15. SLASHDOT POLL! by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on people, keep up.

    Oh and you can put my name instead of the CowboyNeal option.

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  16. Sustainability by xorowo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm sure that many people will have great ideas for how the money should be used. The problem that I see is in sustainability. We can easily dole out the $126,000, but what happens when that money is gone? A solution has to be presented that is essentially an expenditure of one-time funds. Without knowing the rate that money is coming into the fund, there is no way to predict future fund availability.

    I see this all the time in my industry -- people want to spend one-time funds on ongoing projects. As soon as that money is spent, people start scrambling for sustainability and complain about inept business practices. If the $126K is spent with this in mind, I am sure it can do wonderful things. If it is spent on a plan that requires future funding, we could have some problems.

  17. Give it to the Human Fund by drsmack1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Money for people

  18. Agreed... FSF. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't think of a better place, except perhaps the two developers of NeoOffice/J, one of whom is now having to take a break from development due to economic concerns...

    1. Re:Agreed... FSF. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Please mod parent up. Projects like NeoOffice/J are making a big difference. A mere $50k a year could potentially mean a world of difference toward the continuation of a project like that. IHMO, it is far more worth of funding than projects such as... hmmm... from the LinuxFunds front page:

      * Scarface: A 3D GTA Game
      * Kavlon Coloring Book

      Which would you rather have, a coloring book or NeoOffice/J? My vote goes to NeoOffice/J.

    2. Re:Agreed... FSF. by rkcallaghan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please mod parent up. Projects like NeoOffice/J are making a big difference. A mere $50k a year could potentially mean a world of difference toward the continuation of a project like that

      No, mod the grandparent down.

      The question is "Who should handle the funds, not who should recieve them."

      The best option for handling them is someone who is financially secure, has the proper legal ability to act as trustee, and no personal interest in their own project over another.

      ~Rebecca

  19. Buy source code! by Trigun · · Score: 2, Funny

    pick a software component that the OSS doesn't have an alternative to, and buy it.

  20. Give it back by FreakyGeeky · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have one of these MBNA LinuxFund MasterCards.

    Through my dealings with MBNA, I've decided they're one of the smarmiest credit card companies one can do business with.

    It started as a fixed-rate card at an excellent interest rate. (With a one-year 0% balance-transfer rate to boot.) After a year, they switched it to a variable-rate account. The rate was still good, so I decided to keep it.

    Every two months after that, they would sneak in a change in terms to the account. They would print this on a small piece of paper and hide it in the multiple pieces of crap along with the statement selling other overpriced junk. Luckily, I've caught it each time. These change of terms documents would explain that they were changing the interest rate to something ridiculous. Each time I would call and complain and they would set things right again, leaving my account at its current APR.

    You may be thinking, "oh your credit sucks" or "that's what you get for not paying them on time". If that were the case, I wouldn't be complaining. Not only am I not late paying them, I'm not late paying anyone else. My credit score is fantastic too.

    Things changed when I bought my first house a few months back. I got another one of these stating they were raising my APR to prime plus 19.99%. That's mind-bogglingly high! When I called them about this one, they refused to keep it at my low rate. They claim my new mortgage has nothing to do with it, but were unable to provide any reason whatsoever for the increase.

    Luckily, these enclosures allow you to reject the change in writing, keeping your old APR. I did that, and have since transferred the balance elsewhere.

    I would like to see all of the money raised through this program to be returned to the card members according to how much they each contributed.

  21. Oh, at least. by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The going rate for programmers in Oregon is about 60K/year, which means the fund could support about two people here (or about 200 in any country that pays crap).


    Actually, if you had two programmers working full-time on nothing more than using code validators to find bugs, then submitting patches to those bugs, you'd get a lot of work done in a year. Easily enough to justify the cost to any corporate backer. There are plenty of code validators out there, and the coders could simply target whatever package the validators showed as most in need at that time.


    (Of course, in an ideal world, there'd be a kernel code freeze for a month. During that time, the US Government would spend a few billion on developers, who would fix the whole Linux kernel end-to-end, with near-to-zero bugs left at the end of that month. The process would then repeat for GCC, glibc, X11, Gnome and KDE, after which the national deficit would barely have budged, but software reliability would have skyrocketted.)


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  22. Re:We could get by vsprintf · · Score: 3, Funny

    180 SCO licenses for that money...

    At the going-out-of-business sale, that covers the 29 cents. Now what about the other $126,155?

  23. Why pay for bloated American way of life? by glrotate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Shouldn't the objective be to get the most bang for the buck? Why not hire 20 Indian programmers at $3/hr for a year instead of 2 Americans?

  24. 419 it obviously by carldot67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Dr Obedience Oleweh

    I am Mr Lyman from Linux Credit Card. Recently the business was closed due to an unfortunate incident, leaving 126,000 (ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX THOUSAND) US DOLLAR in the account.
    I cannot get these funds to their ritghful owners as I am listed as the official company solicitor. Therefore I need a trusted associate with Western Union Credit transfer to do it for me.
    If you do this small job for me you will be able to keep half (SIXTY-THREE THOUSAND) US DOLLAR in your bank account.
    For your security I need to set up the right bank transfer in your name. Please send me your local bank detail in Lagos right away plus a Western Union Bank money transfer of 500.00 US DOLLAR to cover my costs. I cannot be seen to pay the costs myself you understand as it would appear on the accounts.
    God be with you and peace my brother.
    My Lyman
    New York, USA.

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