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Intel Readying Dual-Core Desktop Chip

sunisha.shah4eva writes "CoolTechZone is reporting that Intel is planning on introducing a dual-core Dothan chip for desktop computers. According to the article, Intel has plans to turn the performance table around with AMD. From the article: 'Finally, it looks like Intel has learned from its mistake and secretly prepping a surprise for the rest of the industry. According to the information we received, Intel is currently working on a desktop, dual-core Dothan microprocessor with SSE3 instruction set that Intel plans to launch sometime in the future. Whether the launch will take place this year or in 2006 is currently unknown.'"

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  1. I've said it once... by LegendOfLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll say it again, I LOVE competition. Ever since AMD became a threat to Intel, we've seen outrageous processor wars and benchmarking tribunals. I can buy a P4 3 gig processor for about $150 now.

    Most likely, Intel will take that performance throne with their "secret". They have a way of doing that (like HT); but, we'll see something better come from AMD. And so the cycle continues...and we all benefit!

    1. Re:I've said it once... by hawkbug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that competition rules - I'm just not sure Intel will take the lead again... unless they can also incorporate an on-die memory controller like AMD and they license Hyper Transport from AMD, or invent their own. All AMD has to do is shrink to 65 nm and start ramping clock speeds, and they are ensured great performance numbers.

    2. Re:I've said it once... by masklinn · · Score: 4, Insightful
      All AMD has to do is shrink to 65 nm and start ramping clock speeds, and they are ensured great performance numbers.
      They barely can, they'd have to change the architecture to get significant improvements of their top frequency, the A64 architecture is at it's limit currently, and can barely be upgraded from time to time...

      This is the very reason why they're pumping more cores/processor
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    3. Re:I've said it once... by Striikerr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "HT is a joke. Anybody who's spent any time with a real SMP workstation would be disgusted by the whole hyperthreading thing."

      I have to agree. HT in my opinion equates somewhat to MMX a while back. Lot's of hype, little to no improvements to performance. It's just another marketing tool to make people think they should buy Intel. (An average, uneducated user could think.. Hey! I am getting two processors for the price of one with Hyper-Threading)

    4. Re:I've said it once... by justforaday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love being a consumer

      Scariest thing I've read in a while...

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    5. Re:I've said it once... by hawkbug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think you're correct - they don't have to push their cpus at all right now, they have the peformance crown - if they have to, they will increase clock speed. Intel can't move the P4 up to 4 GHZ like they wanted, while AMD can move up a bit. Why do a I say this you ask? Have you seen the power consumption and heat dissipation of the new A64s? I have one running right here - 2.0 GHZ, Athlon 64 3200+ and it's only running at 30 C. Under full load, it hits 40 C. That's with stock cooling. That's 90 nm, wait until 65 - AMD has PLENTY of head room right now. They just aren't being forced to use it because Intel can't ramp the P4 at all - the 90 nm P4 actually put out MORE heat than the 130.

    6. Re:I've said it once... by masklinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uh oh, no, temperature is not necessarily the issue. You can have your CPU running at 3C and still be unstable (try extreme cooling mods)...
      Fact is that every architecture has a maximum frequency limit, Netburst has a very high one (intel expected it to be much higher, but they got fucked up), A64 one has a much lower one. Proof is that OC world record is at 6.5GHz for Intel's and 4GHz for AMD's, and that's not with aircooling.

      Every architecture has a maximum frequency, and AMD is already at it's limit for mass production. No core including Winchester was able to reliably break the 2.6GHz frequency on mass market (out of the box), and only Venice core and SOI now allow AMD to plan for a 2.8GHz clocked processor (once again out of the box, not talking about overclocking here but about stable, mass-market ready reliable frequencies).

      Heat is not an issue for A64.
      Nor is it for Dothan processors, actually.

      If AMD could squeeze higher frequency out of their A64, they wouldn't even be considering Dual Core right now... AMD and Intel shifted to dual core because it's the only area of improvement save creating a completely new x86 architecture from scratch to replace the ones they currently have.

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  2. Re:2006? by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Argh... you beat me to the punch.

    I was "miffed" at first too, but the more I think about the switch the more it makes sense. The largest fraction of hardware sales Apple has (excluding the iPod) is Powerbooks and iBookes. G4 chips haven't been getting better, but Intel's mobile chips have; IBM and Freescale do not have dedicated research going into laptop chips whereas Intel does. It only makes sense to switch with this line of thinking.

    Hopefully we'll see dual core Powerbooks soon.

  3. Cue speculation about Apple by spyrral · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Before anyone beats me to it (surprise! I'm sure they already have) let's curb speculation about whether Apple will be able to leverage this technology in their upcoming products:
    • Apple switched to Intel for the explicit purpose of benefitting from advances like this
    • Apple will most likely be using a slightly different architechture than wintel(mobo, bios, firmware, etc), so not every hot new Intel chip will make it into an Apple system.
    • Apple will still be offering a limited selection of systems, so they will have to pick and choose what makes it into thier product line
    The first systems are more than a year away (not counting the dev system) so everybody take a deep breath.
  4. Re:2006? by Tokerat · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Because of intelligence-insulting comments fromthe PC peanut gallery, we've all become trained to want nothign to do with your crowd. Make sense now?

    You'll be the first to bitch when you can't run OS X on any x86 machine you want, too.

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  5. Re:secretely prepping? by metachor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The parent poster was right. 'MAC' is an acronym for, among other things, "Media Access Control" or "Message Authentication Code". 'Mac' is an abbreviation for Macintosh, a brand of computers made by Apple Computer Inc.

  6. Re:2006? by soupdevil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Intel has one very important thing that AMD doesn't have -- excess production capacity.

  7. Re:secretely prepping? by McGiraf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it does not wisky tulip which bathub you tomato because flour is deaf.

  8. Re:2006? by ciroknight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I'm sure there are hundreds of technologies Intel could possibly use to get a lead, they don't need to. Intel is refactoring for the Pentium M to take over the general computing market, the Xeon line to inheirit the Pentium 4 and all of its mess (hey, it's not too bad if you're gonna run it in an environmentally controlled room eh?), and the Itanium line is still continuing for the extreme high end (how the fuck??) and is soon to see its third iteration.

    Besides, I'm sure Intel has a great memory for trying rash proceedures. I'm sure the Pentium M was long on the table before they greenlighted the Pentium 4; it was the next logical progression of the P6 family tree. The Pentium 4 was probably someone's pet project used to drive the industry to a frenzy, feeding off of increased clock cycles. And it worked.

    Now that IPC is important again, Intel's baby P6 has grown up to a working man.

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  9. Re:Open Opportunities by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .CAB files are compressed. The files installed from them are uncompressed, for performance. There's no way MS is distributing source code in their installer CDs, or it would have been flying around the warez nets for years.

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  10. No shit sherlock. by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm guessing you didn't even read my post?

    I'm gonna say this for one, last, time. The Pentium-M is the Next Logical Evolution in the P6 archetectural line. This iteration brought micro-op fusion (more RISCy behavior), more cache room, smaller chips (reduced size, which in turn reduced the power demands), and a faster bus speed. For all purposes. With better versions and designs of SpeedStep, Intel *designed* it to bring the mobile revoltion to the forefront.

    The only problem is, their savior for the Server machine (Itanium), failed to catch on. So they regeared their systems, and we have the hideous P4 we all hate. A few years later, the Pentium M is now perfectly able to take over the role of desktop processor, and all is happy.

    Go back and read my post again if you're still confused.

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    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
  11. Re:Funny that, I can already buy dual-core chips by orderb13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if you actually looked at the performance for those chips you'd see that the pricing for the dual cores actually favors AMD on a performance basis. The difference is that Intel released their "dual core" chips for the low end, while AMD only released them for their high end chips.

    Also you're not comparing the same type of chip. Opteron is AMD's SERVER chipset, which are always more expensive than desktop chipsets.