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Quark CEO Abruptly Resigns

stonydell writes "According to News.com, Quark CEO Kamar Aulakh is no longer with the company. Company spokesman Glen Turpin also said, 'We hope to find a new CEO as soon as possible. It's very important we bring in some professional outside leadership to the company.' Does Quark still have a future or is the future Adobe and Macromedia?"

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  1. Future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quark doesn't have present, much less a future. They've been passed (and lapped a couple of times) by InDesign long ago. Their delays in keeping up with OS compatibility; their stubornly shipping software with keydisk floppies long after Apple stopped selling machines with floppy drives; they're not the only game in town and frankly, they're not the best game in town, so if they're gone, I for one won't miss them.

    1. Re:Future? by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? Do you work at a newspaper for instance? Those things selling million copies you know.

      Or you design e.g. a Coca Cola ad will be published in 90 countries?

      You guys too easily "kill" companies let me say. Quark is going nowhere, people still use Quark Express .

      Its amazing people dare to say "xxx is dead" because they didn't see it running at next door pirate home user.

    2. Re:Future? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I am expert with Quark, loved it. I am getting better with InDesign, don't like it as much. But I am staying with InDesign. Quark, as a company, lost my support years ago - Quark are bywords for arrogance and not listening. The product has pretty much stood still for ten years from a print point of view - still its main audience. At least with Adobe, you know the product is going to get better, more powerful and easier to use, and the support is going to be good. InDesign is worth it, for those reasons.

    3. Re:Future? by Jay+L · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The cd label said "FINAL FANTASY", but only until she selected a bolder typeface.

      I'm trying to get the joke. Four mods already got the joke, but I don't get the joke. I haven't had enough coffee. I'm trying to picture how the kerning changes to form some dirty phrase as the text gets bolder. Ain't happening. Help.

  2. Slow. . . by jm92956n · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm taking bets now. How long will Quark take to port their software to the next-generation Intel-based Macs? Six months? Two years?

    They blew it last time around. They had a wonderful product, but you can only screw your customers so many times before they start to get mad.

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    1. Re:Slow. . . by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      heh, you're presuming they still have all the source code for their product. Don't be surprised when you learn that half your favourite applications still havn't been ported cause they're waiting for their outsourced programmers in India to finish rewriting a bunch of libraries they've been linking to for years and years with no source code.

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    2. Re:Slow. . . by EggyToast · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yep, exactly. They had a near-monopoly on desktop publishing on OS9. Then Quark 5 comes out, late, buggy as hell, and... for OS9... well after OS X has been out (I think it came out right when 10.2 hit, which is when OS X started to pick up steam). Why release a new product ONLY on an old OS? It's like releasing an app that ONLY works on Win 98 right when Win2k comes out!

      Then it takes them forever to release an OS X version, Quark 6. Which, while at least as stable as Quark 4, shows little real improvements. No attempts to incorporate new technology, little admission that there are new and often better formats for saving and exporting data.

      InDesign comes out from the burnt remains of PageMaker as an OS X only application, and people start looking at it seriously. They really push it forward with the "CS" version, and it's really a solid product at that time. Now CS2 is out, with very solid XML support and just all around improvements. It's really drastically replacing desktop publishing applications.

      I work with hundreds of different non-profit journals in my work, and we've seen an extremely drastic shift to InDesign. Even WE are moving to InDesign, for exporting documents to XML. InDesign accepts more formats, works with documents from those formats easier, and exports to such a variety that it's really become a great application.

      Quark really blew it.

    3. Re:Slow. . . by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They had a wonderful product

      They had a widely used product. Wonderful, it hasn't been for almost 10 years. The only new ground Quark has broken since 1997 or so is in finding revolutionary and cutting-edge ways to antagonize their own customers and abuse a near-monopoly.

      I wish somebody would just take this company out back and shoot it so we can get everyone on InDesign already.

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    4. Re:Slow. . . by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Besides running the "greatest" and "latest" OS, why would that bother a DTP professional uses that huge Mac for design on a Apple Talk network?

      I mean OS X native or not.

    5. Re:Slow. . . by gobbo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Besides running the "greatest" and "latest" OS, why would that bother a DTP professional uses that huge Mac for design on a Apple Talk network? ... I mean OS X native or not.

      Quark crashes. + Time is money. + Rebooting is slow = OS X smart for a DTP professional. Graphics apps crash, as do the many specialized and networking apps used in publishing. Having an OS that doesn't require rebooting is just money in the bank.

  3. Quark better have a future by MikeBeck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Adobe and Macromedia should help in the search. Has the FTC approved the Adobe's purchase of Macromedia? If Quark goes under or looks like it's gonna, the FTC is going to have a hard time approving Adobe's and Macromedia's merger.

  4. If it's true, it's really sad by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Testicular cancer is one of those cancers that can be caught and treated successfully if found early. Unfortunately, it's not exactly one of those tests that you so willingly sign up for. You usually go in for examination when you notice some symptoms and by that point it's already too late. It's a lot like prostate cancer in that regard.

    Good luck to this guy.

  5. Re:Maybe he had a brain hemorrhage by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Someone mentioned it was an excellent product (but slow to update), but I've never actually seen anyone use it...

    You're only likely to see it if you do desktop publishing. I've seen it twice in my career. Once in the advertising department of a company I worked for, and another time at a local newpaper office. I've also indirectly seen Quark by the crud-for-PDF documents its generates. (That I then have to fix. I know WAY more about the PDF format than I ever wanted to know. GRRRR.)

  6. Re:Hmmm by admactanium · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Indesign can't touch Quark for its pagination features alone. If you have a complex print job anybody with half an ounce of self respect for their time will use Quark. With Indesign you have to jump through hoops as do the printers, they hate it.
    the printers go as the clients go. i've heard of print shops basically going out of business because they insist on taking quark files only and excluding indesign files.

    your opinion might be that quark is vastly superiot indesign. but the transition is happening whether you like it or not. i'm a freelancer, which means i'm in a lot of different agencies and nearly all of them are at LEAST dual platform. many of the larger ad corporations have let their quark licenses lapse and just bought creative suite.

    to say that "you know nothing abou the design industry" if you believe indesign is making strong inroads is just asinine. of the 8 agencies i've worked in this year only one of them still uses quark exclusively.

  7. Re:Quark's demise is overblown by azpenguin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quark is not dead, or dying, at least not in a rapid fashion. They are however, not a vibrant company at all. It will take a long time to kill off Quark. There are still tons of publishing houses that are dependent on Quark, notably because of all of the Xtensions that allow a company to customize the program for their needs. And it's a tested solution. I work at a newspaper, and the entire place, save for less than a dozen machines, is running Quark. (The machines with InDesign are not involved with the production of the newspaper. One of them is dedicated to converting InDesign ad files sent from agencies.) We have quite a few people who have been with the company for 30+ years, and the only reason they are using Quark is because they had to learn it to keep their job. They had to learn from scratch, and every upgrade has meant a lot of headaches. The company is not eager to re-train designers on another program. So, despite the constant urging of IT, we aren't switching to InDesign. We're still running OS9 and will run Quark 6 when we're on OS X.

    But what is happening out there is a lot of design agencies, who aren't so confined and often have more computer-savvy designers, are moving to InDesign in droves. It offers far more creative freedom and the ability to import the working files is a big plus. (Now if we could get them to use the Acrobat Distiller instead of saving InDesign PDFs... but I digress.) This is going to take away a large chunk of Quark's user base.

    Myself, I'm thinking of starting a small design business, and which way am I going? InDesign. I could pay $900 for Quark, or I can pay $1200 and get InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, and Acrobat. This points to another of Quark's problems - they can't compete with Adobe on features, and they sure as hell can't compete on price. Add to that their bad reputation concerning customer service, and they have got a real problem. Many customers are glad they've finally got an alternative, and they're jumping ship.

    So Quark is not dead, but they will be in the not-too-distant future unless they start doing three things:
    1. Innovate. Bring new things to the table instead of relying on the past and copying features.
    2. Respond to the current market. If they let the same thing happen with the Intel/Apple switchover that they did with OS X, Adobe will eat them alive.
    3. Take care of their customers, instead of treating them as thieves and ignoring concerns. Price products at a reasonable point, and maybe you'll see a little less piracy. Not enough, but a few percentage points' drop can mean a lot of money.
    If they don't do this, they will be dead, especially as the folks in the design field get more computer-savvy and know that they can get a better product.

  8. Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    > If you have to ask that, then you know nothing about the design industry.

    I've been in industry for ten years, I oversee editorial and design for 15 high quality print titles with paginations from 100 - 300 pages and you're talking bullshit.

    There is no doubt which way the wind is blowing, and if you plan to be in this business in the next ten years, you'd better invest in Adobe.

  9. Forget products, it was the company that annoyed.. by Angostura · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Parent really is insightful.

    I used to be a hardcore Quark user and admin for many years (admined Quark the Quark Publshing System servers, all that workflow jazz). I liked the product. This was all about 5 years ago, just before version 4 came out.

    but even back then the company really knew how to annoy their customers. They used to do fabulous stuff like issue point releases that couldn't write backwardly compatible files. Then they would stop selling the older point release.

    The result? A department with 30 machines running Quark Xpress 3.5 quite happily would by an additional machine and find that only 3.6 was avaiilable now, and that the cost of updating 30 machines to 3.6 was

    a) horrendous
    b) Didn't actually give us any functionality that we wanted (it would be something daft like the ability to have gradient filled text or something.

    People really really HATED Quark the company, it was quite an achievement to make your customer base loath you that much when the product was fairly solid. This was all before the OS X debacle.

  10. Adobe or Adobe by smartdreamer · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Does Quark still have a future or is the future Adobe and Macromedia?
    I guess we should say "Does Quark still have a future or is the future Adobe and ... well Adobe".
  11. STAY AWAY FROM THE WEB! by mitchell_pgh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Quark has been spending time trying to make ONE solution for print and web and has been failing horrifically.

    They should have kept their focus 100% on just the print end of things and they would be doing just fine.

    Printers LOVE the fact that there isn't a new version of Quark every 18 months like with InDesign/Adobe.

  12. Re:sudden resignation - the reason by Nit+Picker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have mixed feelings about this. Everyone has a right to privacy in health matters, but when someone suddenly resigns or is hospitalized and there is no explanation, many (myself included) assume a very negative happening. When I first read the story, I wondered if he was involved in some sort of fraud that the company didn't want to prosecute. Similarly, when a co-worker was suddenly hit with a brain aneurysm (from which he recovered) and there was a great mystery about why he was absent, several of us assumed he had gone in for treatment for alcoholism.

    I can understand him wanting not to advertise the nature of his disease, but a smarter action would be to announce a resignation for "health reasons." Even that would cause some of us to suspect mental illness, but most of us would accept it without further explanation, assuming heart dissease or some other common, less private illness.

  13. Why I hate Quark by efudddd · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Like many others in graphics, I loved the program Quark in the old days (say, version 3.32 up to 4.1.1) but loathed the company. Nowadays there's no need to make any distinction, since 6 is such a non-starter. There are so many reasons to actively despise the company, all revolving around their contempt for their users. Some of my faves:

    * Pioneered 40+ alphanumeric registration code printed as a single block in highly condensed type. No, it's not a big thing, but a great introduction to their general attitude.

    * When the Mac moved from 68k to the PowerPC chip, companies started producing fat binaries of programs that worked on both kinds of machines. ALL of the major Mac companies did this... except Quark, which released a separately priced PPC-alone version.

    * In 2002 then-head of Quark Fred Ebrahimi said at a Quark "executive summary" that "the Macintosh platform is shrinking" and anyone dissatisfied with Quark's Mac commitment should "switch to something else" although moving to InDesign would be "suicide."

    * Dragged their feet on an OS X version until Steve Jobs could joke about "holdouts" and everybody knew who he was talking about. They were dead last transitioning to OS X, and the 6.0 upgrade had nothing new from 5 other than OS X compatibility.

    * Killed their own user-to-user forum around the time of the 6 release (it's back now)

    * If you run a small LAN and can't afford site licensing, you'll love Quark 6's paranoid active registration. Beyond the arcane installation, the rights are for a single machine, not single user! The registration is hardware-specific: if your hard drive crashes, or if you clone your system to a new drive, you have to reactivate the software. For our group, using automated activation didn't work for three of five upgrades, and I wound up on the phone begging Bangalore for activation numbers. I now slate an hour of frustration for each upgrade or reinstall of this program.

    * Quark 6 still doesn't play nice with PDFs. PDFs are now the industry standard, but we've experienced various strangeness in Quark's direct PDF output and can't trust it for high-end jobs.

    So why are people still using it? In our case, backlog of files. We have InDesign CS and are using it for new work and pickups. Quark would be in the dumpster except for old jobs. Going back now because they might mend their ways? Too little, too late.

    My boss knows my long-time disgust with Microsoft, and once asked which I hated more, Microsoft or Quark? It stopped me cold, and I finally just had to say "Yes."