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REALbasic Linux IDE Public Beta Available
An anonymous reader writes "A brand-new visual development environment for Linux is in public beta now. REALbasic 2005 for Linux Standard Edition will be available for free when it ships in August. The company has also done away with their email registration requirement. Download the public beta now from REAL Software."
http://realsoftware.com/products/
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Well, this story is in the 'developers' section and this is a development tool...
Trolling is a art,
for the cognitive dissonance to set in. Linux and BASIC together.
It's cross-platform.
Create native cross-platform software
REALbasic 2005 runs on an creates software for Windows 98, NT, 2000 and XP, Mac OS X and Linux, all from a single set of source code. REALbasic incorporates platform-specific intelligence, like user interface widgets, so software created with REALbasic looks and feels native, regardless of the development platform you created it on.
And from the FAQ:
Why is REALbasic 2005 for Linux Standard Edition free?
We pick the price for each product based upon many factors, including the price of competing products. Much of the software for Linux is available for free, including other development tools. Because of this, we have decided to make REALbasic 2005 for Linux Standard Edition for free. REALbasic 2005 for Linux Professional Edition is priced at $399.95, as are the Windows and Macintosh versions.
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Yes, it's a lot like VB, and yes, it's very, very odd, but it's an extremely useful programming tool. Recommended to anyone who needs quick and dirty cross-platform work.
Also, when it's ready for production I'm presuming there is going to be a price put on this, as Mac RealBASIC is not, to the best of my knowledge FOSS.
This is good news.
A while back I wrote to the Realbasic sales that they should offer another cheaper linux product -- one that allowed you to make binaries that required a valid Realbasic runtime. Thus, you might pay $50 or $100 for a compiler and IDE, but anyone else who wanted to run your code would also have to pay $50 or $100. I suggested to them that this would better allow hobbiests to build up a set of useful code that would make Real Basic much more desireable. I don't think they understood what I was trying to say.
This is a better solution, in my opinion. I don't like the basic language but a lot of people use it; if it is popular, someone will write an open source compiler for it.
Is there a debian package I could try? Otherwise, it's probably not worth the time.
Yes, a story about the Linux version of a set of cross-platform programming language developer tools, available for free download... must have been really hard to sneak such an inappropriate story onto the developer section of Slashdot, you fucktard.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
"According to the RealBasic website, the standard version for Linux is going to be free "because the linux community expects free stuff.""
So when is something like "Groceries for Linux", or "Gas for Linux" coming out?
Ok, I read the product description, saw the screenshots, and it looked like a really nice IDE. I know its proprietary and all, but I was eager to try it, even though since I moved to C/C++ I haven't touched VB for years. Anyway, the download finished, and I started the app.
/.ed but why do I need to retrieve a key for a demo product is beyond me. All they managed to do is annoy people who thought of trying their product.
Then all of a sudden the app reminded me why I don't like proprietary software. A window pops up asking me for a licence or key with an option to continue on the demo. I chose this one.
"Retrieving Demo key..." comes up...and I wait..."The key could not be retrieved cause the server timed out". Tried again to no avail. The software refused to start, so I happilly removed it from my disk.
the server was probably
If you didn't want us to try your demo, then why do you advertise it on slashdot?
If you did want us to try it, then why do you feel you need to fortify your demo with licence keys?
You want your demo to reach as many people as possible, and this is just not going to happen. Good luck with your bussiness model, you'll need it.
VStrider.
and realized that wasn't a good idea. I'm not going to pay $100 to run some hobbyist's code. If he wants to sell it to me direct, that might be another story, but to get a hobbyist's program that requires I shell out $100 to someone else is a non-started.
VB took off because the system would package all the necessary stuff into one installer. If the realbasic system would compile into 3 installers (mac/linux/windows) that'd be very handy. I'd certainly shell out $50 to be able to write and distribute cross-platform gui apps.
creation science book
...people who are barely able to understand the concept of good programming practices having access to a tool which supports none of these. Then let them produce, with ease, the shoddy, buggy programs to enable Linux to challenge Microsoft for the honor of crappiest computing platform.
Face it, business analysts and venture capitalists: Programming, if not an art, is certainly a skill which takes a certain level of talent and expertise to be competent. If you're competent, you'll learn it. If not, you shouldn't have any business producing defective applications. Any more than having a non-electrician do electrical wiring. Certainly, there is no reason to help propagate a crutch, designed before the concept of procedural programming (another dinosaur), just so that incompetents are better able to plague users with shoddy programs.
At this point in the game, with environments like java, mono, and python, there is no reason to introduce a flawed language like BASIC into the mainstream. The ones capable of learning BASIC, are capable of learning one of the above. If they don't want to, it probably means they're too stupid to, and should be culled out of developing applications.
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Gambas is an easy and free software IDE with BASIC:
http://gambas.sourceforge.net/
You used the phrase: "undermine the future hegemony of" when you could have said "hurt".
Put down the dictionary and step away from the word processor.
You used the phrase "PHB-speak" when you could have said "you hurt my brain by exceeding my vocabulary."
/. for a moment and read a book.
Step away from
Good fucking lord... Fuck off.
RealBASIC has been around a loooooooooong time, and many very fine, very nice MacOS/OSX Apps were developed using its tools.
I would not be so hasty to predict its demise: RealBASIC coming to Linux is really only news because it didn't happen, oh, say 10 years ago (it could've).
In other words: This ain't no Kylix, yo!
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
Word of warning: The Linux Standard Edition, which I haven't tried out, probably will only produce binaries for Linux. Or at least that's how it is with the Standard Edition for Windows (which is not free, but existing Windows VB developers can get a free license by filling out a form on RealBASIC's website--if they're still doing that). It *can* make binaries for other operating systems, but they will include a "demo warning" dialog upon startup.
R.Mo
As long as I get the job done. Wow, the customer service girl is cute! I'm switching!
c e/
http://www.realsoftware.com/support/customerservi
$ ldd REALbasic2005Beta | grep found
libcups.so.2 => not found
Some of us don't have a damn printer, you know, and don't want or need one...
*grumble grumble emerge cups bitch moan*
This is a sig. Deal with it.
There's one you left out that's important. Poor error handling. A lot of Linux programs simply don't handle bad input, or error conditions very well.
There has been very negative discussion of RB 2005 at the comp.lang.basic.realbasic newsgroup. There are many people who aren't happy about the path that has been taken. The new "development environment-as-a-web browser" paradigm they embraced falls flat on its face, according to some. And there have been scathing suggestings that RB 2005 has lost all of the uniqeness REALbasic'ers were used to in the past. Now it's just a lousy Visual Basic clone, according to some.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
...Because of this, we have decided to make REALbasic 2005 for Linux Standard Edition for free. Haha. RealSoftware really is on to something. I wish I could make software for free. I could sell it for alot less without that development cost.
If it weren't for those other reports of such blatant misfunctionality, I don't think I would believe what you wrote (not that I mistrust you, personally). I have to wonder how they plan for this project to be successful, especially if they are alienating all of their existing users, and most likely not impressing any of the new ones.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
...with more details:
_ 2005_ships/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/15/realbasic
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How come there is not a working VB-like OSS project? I am not complaining here, just wondering why the top selling development product (for good or bad) has not generated interest in similar OSS project? What are the forces and trends behind this odd disconnect?
Table-ized A.I.
I bought a basic version for some OS9 development I was doing a few years back. It really was a good tool on that platform. Unfortunately it suffered from the old Mac disease where almost nothing - not the tiniest little utility of note - is free. RB followed that route too, and for major bugfixes you had to buy the next major version (although in fairness they did support your version number for some time, just seemed nothing major got fixed in it...)
From my past experience with them, I would really be concerned about this line "list price is $499.95. All REALbasic 2005 for Linux licenses include six months of updates." So you shell out 500 USD and you get no updates after 6 lousy months?!? Boy, there's a deal...
Thanks, I'll pass.
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Settle down their buddy. It's true the parent did come off as an arrogant ass, but his point echoes what a lot of others think. For many years now developers have been waiting for basic to die, even though it "supports good programming practices" it certainly doesn't encourage them. With the introduction of C# most of us thought visualbasic was on it's way out and we'd finally be free of basic family languages.
I have no doubt the realsoftware people are extremely talented but i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one who just wishes they'd let basic die already.