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BSA Piracy Study Deeply Flawed

zbik writes "Corante reports that The Economist has blown the lid off the BSA's recent report on software piracy (covered by Slashdot), referring to their methods as 'BS'. 'They dubiously presume that each piece of software pirated equals a direct loss of revenue to software firms.' The BSA has complained that the article is offensive but does not dispute their analysis. Score one for common sense."

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  1. OTHER HEADLINES TODAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your Rights Online: The Sun is Hot
    Your Rights Online: Osama Bin Laden Not a Nice Man
    Your Rights Online: Some Politicians May Be Influenced By Money

    1. Re:OTHER HEADLINES TODAY by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny
      Some Politicians May Be Influenced By Money
      Okay, that WOULD be news - I was under the impression it was ALL politicians are influenced by money. Or booze. Or drugs. Or cheap hookers. Or all of the above.

      If you've managed to find some that aren't yet, quick - post their names here. There's bound to be a few lobbyists willing to try their luck in virgin territory.

    2. Re:OTHER HEADLINES TODAY by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Funny
      Okay, that WOULD be news - I was under the impression it was ALL politicians are influenced by money. Or booze. Or drugs. Or cheap hookers. Or all of the above.
      Oh yeah? Well, I'm going to make my own political party! With blackjack! And hookers!

      On second thought, forget about the political party and the blackjack!
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  2. Claims by superpulpsicle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For any company confident enough to claims they have lost 100,000 copies in revenue. They need to also claim they have increased their market share by 100,000 users.

  3. Much as we might laugh by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Much as we might laugh at the BSA's (don't they make guns and motorcycles?) figures, illegal software distribution (I refuse to call it piracy until is bad for open source. Every low budget company that copies top-of-the-line software that it can't afford is the loss of another business that might be persuaded at the cost efficiency of a Free Software solution.

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  4. Re:And this is a surprise because? by Bedouin+X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just about every piece of software that I use professionally now - Photoshop, Visual Studio, Oracle, SQL Server, NT Server, Netware - I pirated as a teen. I probably wouldn't have learned them otherwise. What is wouldn't - not couldn't.

    Now that I am gainfully employed, I am very vigilant about making sure that my employers always keep me equipped with the very latest versions of them all, even if I don't use them.

    I'm not saying that what I did as a teen was right, but I know for a fact that a few pirated copies in 1996-1999 have resulted in thousands of dollars in purchases over the past 6 years or so.

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  5. Piracy is good for business by parvenu74 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just ask Microsoft -- if not for so many pirated copies of Windows all over the world they would have lost market share to Linux or something else. They just settled a piracy dispute with the government of Thailand. THOUSANDS of government computers had pirated copies of Windows and Thailand settled with Microsoft for $1 per computer. The last time I checked on NewEgg.com, an OEM copy of WindowsXP Pro costs $140. Therefore, it's worth $139 / machine to Microsoft to make sure Linux is *not* installed...

  6. Once in a while... by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... some Microsoft (related?) sales person calls my company and asks me about any plans for upgrading to whatever it is they are trying to sell at that moment. I get the pleasure of stating, "we're attempting to reduce our use of Microsoft software" and when asked, I explain that the BSA audit our company went through some years ago soured many people on Microsoft so badly that we're steadily seeking alternatives.

    It's not a full or heavy press at the moment, but I believe there will be a day...

  7. Wha? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's debunk a few myths:
    1)"I wouldn't have paid for it anyway, so it's not a lost sale"
    OK, so let's say I go in to get my car's wheels rebalanced (or some other service). When they're done.. I just drive off without paying. Have I done anything wrong? Well, what if "I wouldn't have paid for it anyway"? So it's not a lost sale!


    Umm, what the hell? That made zero, and by zero I mean none, sense. The analogy is too terrible to even examine.

    2) "The software is too expensive"
    So perhaps you wouldn't buy product A which is overpriced for your needs. But by pirating A, you rob product B and C - competing products that are much cheaper with limited functionality compared to A that still meet your needs - of market share.


    Now here I can only conlude it should be illegal to buy any software at all, for everytime you do so you are depriving any computer of companies of revenue. I suggest you write your senator right away and demand that all software sales be outlawed on these grounds.

    The fact is, if you don't pay for the software (unless a license is given for free), then you have no right to use the software. Period.

    Now that part I agree with. You have no right. What is in question is how much harm it does, which depends entirely on the circumstances of the pirating and cannot be assigned a simple number. If a baby is given a pirated copy of Photoshop for teething is that really a loss to Adobe of $600? Please justify a yes response. The BSA would say yes.

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  8. Brazil's Response by Trinition · · Score: 5, Informative

    You've just gotta love Brazil's response:

    "We're against software piracy. We believe Microsoft's rights should be respected. And the simplest way to respect their rights is for Brazilians everywhere to switch to free software."

  9. total BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The BSA, what a bunch of jokers. They go around claiming that SW piracy does the SW industry this incredible injustice...

    Well, it's funny that you can hardly find anyone in the SW industry who agrees, who actually know something about SW, like artists and programmers for example. It's only executives who aren't very technical and don't actually understand or use much who claim they're losing vast sums to piracy.

    Want to know who pirates SW the most? People who make SW, and people who ultimately drive purchases of the most expensive SW for business and personal use. I've decided purchases of software selling for up to $16K per seat for entire teams in companies I've worked for, and it all went to staff members who were largely able to use it because they had learned to various degrees on pirated copies.

    If it wasn't for SW piracy, far fewer people would be software expert users and the SW industry would be much smaller than it is. As a result, fewer PC computers would be sold, and we'd generally have a less computationally advanced society. That would obviously effect industries like the internet including commerce, movie special FX, and video game development, which are big economic drivers for the national economy.

    Take Photoshop for example, that ubiquitous paint program. In my entire career I've never met a single Photoshop user, NOT ONE, that didn't sometimes use, and hadn't learned primarily on a pirated copy before becoming employed at a business that would purchase it to match their skills. Many of those people became interested in the field, and THEN went to school for training, because of the ability to try extensively for free. No trial programs don't suffice and never have. Reality is that every single art student has, and needs, a cracked copy. Later, studios buy software to match the preferences of the users, whose opinions are often based on use of pirated SW.

    *** SW "piracy" = free advertising = increased market growth. ***

    You can say the same for movie FX, or game development. Try and find people in those industries who don't give a large credit in their education to pirated software, or who would be less likely to be in the industry, and therefore not purchasing SW, if it wasn't for piracy. It's the same for many other industries. Even many secretaries and business software users have had access to pirated software to learn it, give it to friends, etc, which eventually supports a purchase in SW, and is like free advertising for the SW makers.

    If it was possible to magically end all piracy in the US today, you'd see SW revenue and computer sales plummet in the short term, and overall national competitiveness drop in the long term.

    These BSA bozos really do have their heads DEEP up their asses.

    Companies like Adobe for example should be THANKING SW piracy for thier stock price.

  10. BSA COSTING LINUS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! by typical · · Score: 5, Funny

    The BSA's fraudulent activities cost Linus Torvalds over $300 billion dollars yearly in the United States alone.

    Their bogus numbers have caused people to be frightened away from Linux, which Linus *could* potentially be selling for $1000. The fact that he is making *no money* from each copy of Linux used is due to the fact that the BSA has damaged the perception of Linux so much. As a product technically superior to Windows, it should have taken over by now. That's $1000 per person. There are ~300 million people in the United States, counting every man, woman, and child. (We all know that GNOME is simple enough for a baby to use, so counting babies is perfectly legitimate.) Since Linux is upgraded so frequently, people would buy a new copy about annually.

    As you can see, since the BSA is COSTING LINUS TORVALDS OVER $300 BILLION DOLLARS IN THE UNITED STATES THIS YEAR ALONE, we desperately need laws to protect the starving open source software authors that are being victimized by the criminal activity of the BSA. It is crucial that we receive laws to protect these authors -- all companies choosing a non-open-source software product over an open-source software product should be required to annually submit a report with cost estimates and associated usability/compatibility testing as to why they choose not to use open source software.

    No, it's just not the same. We need whatever PR people the BSA has.

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  11. Re:And this is a surprise because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who leans libertarian on a lot of issues, I find it sad that the Republican party has bought its power by aligning itself with social conservatives who seem intent on legislating morality.

    It's my belief that they've done so because the leadership knows full well that such laws would never apply to them or their families. If they want to have sex with hookers, use cocaine or have abortions, they have the means to safely do so in a way that won't bring them into contact with the authorities. It's only the poor who have to abide by these laws. Hell, a cokehead alcoholic can get pretty far these days with the right connections.