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Google Scholar: Not Ready for Prime Time?

reptilicus writes "The Thomson Gale publishing group has put together a comprehensive review of Google Scholar, and they find it highly lacking compared with similar offerings from Highwire Press, Scopus, and The Web of Science. Will Google's overhyped offerings drive these superior services out of the market?"

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  1. beta by MankyD · · Score: 4, Funny

    But it's still in Beta! Google would never release a service without taking it out of Beta first, of course.

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    1. Re:beta by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm under the impression that everything they release will be in perpetual beta in order to be able to dodge any issues using that as an excuse.

  2. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    An article critical of google! I think my transmission link from my brain to slashdot groupthink just fused.

  3. The answer is: No. by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny
    Will Google's overhyped offerings drive these superior services out of the market?

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  4. Just remember. by Neck_of_the_Woods · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft loved to put out something that was just good enough, but free to kill off everything else.

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  5. Google's advantage? by mister_llah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least for now...

    IT'S FREE!

    [looking at the other options, they are NOT free]

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    I'd say in that regard, Google is way ahead...

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    1. Re:Google's advantage? by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative
      HighWire is free, although the articles it links to may not be. (This is an advantage over Google, not a disadvantage.)

      The others are expensive curated services, and are hardly playing in the same league as the free services.

  6. Utterly shocking by Otterley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What? A company whose mission is to provide content and research services to academia gives a poor review to one of its up-and-coming competitors' offerings? Say it isn't so!

    1. Re:Utterly shocking by ScytheBlade1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While you have a definite point, I believe that there may be a tad bit more to it than you make it out to be.

      "whose mission is to provide content and research services to academia"

      Also from that same page:
      "with 2004 revenues from continuing operations of $8.10 billion"


      You think...that's it's possible...that this company is doing it RIGHT? That it's possible that they know what they're talking about?

      I'm not claiming to know the answer. I don't use either service, but after reading your post, the obvious jumped out...

      Of course they're an apparent competitor. I just have this feeling, though, that they may actually know what they're doing. It's possible that you're right, it's possible that you're wrong, it's just that I don't see evidence as to either for a post like yours to hit +5 Insightful (which it is) without some counter-balance to it.

      If their entire goal is to provide a similar service, and they've made $8.10 billion....something tells me that they're doing something right, which may actually give base to their claims.

  7. Re:C'mon, people... by Vobbo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Out of beta:

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  8. JESUS CHRIST OF COURSE by hoborocks · · Score: 5, Informative

    CLICK the links on the side, the "related links". You'll see that "The Web of Science" and "Scopus" are PART of thomson gale.

    Can we really be that surprised they said that google isn't that good?!

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  9. Of course they trash their competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As the article mentions, there are only two other multidisciplinary academic databases, web of science and scopus. Both are expensive. Google is free. I have access to (and use) web of science, and google blows it out of the water in terms of speed and user interface. Its database is generally pretty good too.

    Not bad for free.

  10. Spreading the goodness too thin by RealProgrammer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google is guilty of a bit of overconfidence, maybe, in expanding into areas they know little about, but I think Google Scholar is why there is a Google.

    Google's founders were academics. Their focus is on creating ways to find information. Finding academic information ought to be their pet project.

    The kicker is that if someone else does it better, Google will just buy them.

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  11. Astronomy by v@mp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am a researcher in Astronomy and I have found that Google Schalor is very lacking in my field. They have bigger competition in Astronomy than in most fields because all of the journal articles in Astronomy going back a century have been scanned, cross referenced and are available from the NASA/Harvard Database.

    They have a long way to go to compete with that.

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  12. Repository != Search Service by Peter_Pork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google Scholar is not an attempt to replicate repositories like citeseer and the like. It is a specialized search service! If I search for a paper using Scholar, I get links from many different repositories, and from the web site of the authors. That's what this is all about. Furthermore, as a researcher, I always use plain Google or Google Scholar to locate papers, and I do have access to every other service. Google is just better at it than any other service. Do you know why? Because it gets the job done without any brain damage search language, without broken links and it searches the whole web, not just your random journal list. Can Google Scholar improve? Sure, but the article is pretty biased against a free (as in beer) service.

    Also, there are other great free indexes out there that are not even mentioned in the article, like DBLP.

  13. TFA misses the point by jeremymiles · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I use Google Scholar and Web of Science on a pretty regular basis - I'm not familiar with Scopus, so I can't comment on that. TFA doesn't mention Pubmed either, which is free.

    It seems to me TFA has have missed the point of Google Scholar. Web of science does abstract, keyword and title searches. And it's very good at them. Google Scholar does full text searches. If I want to know if there has been a study on the effects of ibuprofen on slugs (or whatever), I go to WoS. However, sometimes you want something in the details, which isn't mentioned in the abstract or title. I sometimes want papers that have used a particular statistical technique - I'm not (very) interested in the substantive content, I just want a nice example. WoS - no use at all. Google Scholar - excellent.

    When you get your results, WOS gives you the abstract. Google Scholar points you to the full text source - often you have to pay for it, but you have it there.

    People who get obsessive about systematically reviewing the literature and making sure that they have accessed everything on the subject are never going to use Google Scholar. People who want to know more about a subject are better off with Google Scholar.

    On citation searches, WoS wins hands down (IMHO).

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  14. Google Scholar is fine... by GileadGreene · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Google Scholar is fine for what it sets out to be: Google that restricts its searches to academic content.

    Is it a replacement for, e.g. Citeseer? No. But then it isn't intended to be.

    What Google Scholar provides is a useful metasearch across existing archives (like Citeseer, the IEEE, the ACM, and so on). It can be handy for finding odd connections between topics covered in different archives. It can also be handy for trawling through those archives using a different search algorithm than the defaults provided by the archive itself. I can't see Google Scholar ever replacing Citeseer - I see it continuing to complement Citeseer.

  15. Anything else? by QMO · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has Google driven anyone out of the market?

    (I really don't know)

    If yes, did they actually have a truly better product/service?

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  16. Search styles by Kontinuum · · Score: 3, Informative

    I do research in medical image analysis, and I regularly use both Google Scholar and PubMed. I think that there's a big stylistic difference about how different people approach these searches. Going to college and grad school in the mid to late 90's into the 2000s, I grew up (academically, at least) with the idea that I should be able to just type a few words into a search bar and a bunch of related stuff would come up, without having to think too much about where in the document it was located and whether it was a keyword or whether I was searching for the institution or publisher or whatever.

    Older scientists grew up searching those big bound hardback science citation indices, where you had to think very hard about keywords and publishers and such. Even the abstract was more critical then, because you couldn't just grab articles willy nilly onto your desktop and then sort them out later.

    I think of it like the difference between my parents and myself when searching for stuff on the web ... my parents like to go to Yahoo and descend down the well organized categories until they get what they want, whereas I just type a bunch of phrases into Google. I'm not saying one way is better than the other ... it's just a different style.

    That being said, Google Scholar does need a bit more polishing, but I still use it a lot. However, until you can grab citation info into Endnote or Bibtex, it don't see it replacing anything soon.

  17. Re:It's one thing to have all the information by Mac+Degger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're right. They should have scholar.google.com locked up in a testlab, accessible only to google employees. until they iron out ALL the bugs. That's far better than to let all acedemia use it right now for the benefit they could recieve using it.

    As should be obvious, I think you're nuts. I've used google scholar for projects at uni for a while now, and it has been quite usefull. It could be better (direct display of homonyms...you never know what jargon scientists will use for the same bloody phenomenon), but it's usefull in it's current state. I'm far happier being able to use it now. If they want to call it beta, fine for them.

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  18. wrong question by jilles · · Score: 4, Informative

    The question is not whether google is good enough but wether the commercial offerings are good enough.

    As others point out google scholar is free. Generally commercial solutions aren't and work on subscription basis.

    Furthermore google scholar works by basically more or less the same strategies as regular google. Put some search terms in the box and relevant search results will surface. This is a different strategy than the traditional solutions which index many different kinds of metadata and allow for elaborate searches based on that metadata. Both strategies have their place but eventually price and convenience will determine who dominates the market. If simple queries are your thing, google scholar is the preferred search engine. If you are a fussy librarian, you probably need something more sophisticated.

    I'm a researcher who is not associated with a research institute and thus has no access to academic search engines, online subscriptions, etc. I do have access to google scholar. If your article shows up there with a download link for the pdf I can read it. Otherwise I have to make an effort to read your article. The way scientific publications work has changed over the past few years. Journal publications give you status, google gives you exposure. Many researchers end up reading my articles after doing a google query, not after consulting a table of contents of some journal. Google is convenient that's why it works so well.

    I have a number of different use cases that are typical for me:
    - get some useful references on a topic
    - look up the correct reference for something you have read
    - find stuff written someone you've read other stuff from
    - find out who is citing you

    All these things google scholar does well. If you are a researcher it is in your interest to make sure google returns relevant search results if people look for your work stuff that is related to your work. Putting your articles on a website is all you need to do.

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