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'Haute Cuisine' on Mars

Roland Piquepaille writes "If you're lucky enough to be a crew member of one of the next European Space Agency (ESA) long-term missions, you will have the choice between eleven new delicious recipes, such as 'martian bread and green tomato jam' or 'potato and tomato mille-feuilles' when it's time for dinner. In 'Ready for dinner on Mars?,' ESA says that these recipes will use fresh ingredients grown in greenhouses built on Mars colonies or other planets. The future astronauts -- should I write 'farmonauts'? -- will grow potatoes, onions, rice, soya or lettuce. And it's interesting to note that the new menus were elaborated with the help of Alain Ducasse, the French chef who has almost as many stars in the 'Guide Michelin' as there are planets in our Solar system. This overview contains more details and references about eating in space."

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  1. Just add water by hydroxy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunetly, all plants grown on Mars will still be freeze-dried before eaten.

    1. Re:Just add water by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunetly, all plants grown on Mars will still be freeze-dried before eaten.

      *chuckle* No, they really are thinking about growing the food. :-)

      The article was interesting (despite the fact that the ESA seems to be already picking out foods for a mission they don't yet have), but I would have liked to know more about how they planned to grow food on Mars. For example, the soil samples seem to tell us all kinds of different things about the actual composition of Martian soil. Have we found a concensus on what materials we'll need to bring to grow plants. Last I heard, nitrogen was going to be the biggest issue.

      The other thing I'd like to see is someone actually developing a Martian greenhouse design. However you make it, you'll want the greenhouse to be light, portable, and easy to setup. My current thoughts are that a transparent, inflatable tarp would do the trick. We'd first need to know what the minimum pressure is that the plants require before we design the tarp. Hopefully, they can survive in pressures similar to Mars's surface. That knowledge could then be used to develop a greenhouse that works like this:

      1. The tarp would be planted into the ground. Depending on the pressure required, it could either be nailed in with stakes (how primitive, but effective) or a stiff ring could be buried into the ground, thus creating an airtight seal.

      2. CO2 could then be pumped from the surrounding atomosphere into the greenhouse. Depending on the plant, a certain amount of oxygen may need to be initially pumped in.

      3. The pump system should move air in and out of the tarp area. Oxygen would be separated out, and replacement CO2 would be pumped from outside.

      So far, so good. But then what about solar energy? Does enough energy reach Mars' surface to support these plants? Does artifical lighting need to be added? (I guess that's why they went with potatos. Little to no light necessary.)

    2. Re:Just add water by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mars's pressure is little higher than a vacuum. NASA has been doing experiments to get plants to grow in the sparsest atmosphere possible. Currently, if the pressure gets too low, plants think that there's a drought even if they're given plenty of water and kept at 100% humidity.

      As for light, Mars gets half the sunlight we do on Earth; plenty of plants on Earth grow in partial shade.

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  2. "Midichlorian stew again?" by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I HATE midichlorian stew!"

    "Shut up and eat, kid. You want to grow up to be big and strong like your father, don't you?"

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  3. Yum. Martian food. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once you pick the antennas off, and drain all the green ichor, the stuff's pretty good! Looking forward to the first Martian fast food restaurant to open "Barsoom King", with its slogan "Take me to your eater!"

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  4. should I write 'farmonauts'? by hugerobot · · Score: 5, Funny

    -- should I write 'farmonauts'? -- No... you should not. Some things can not be un-read.

  5. ROLAND PIQUEPAILLE ALERT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't read the overview. Just more ad revenues for him. (Info on Roland Piquepaille)

    1. Re:ROLAND PIQUEPAILLE ALERT! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't read the overview. Just more ad revenues for him. (Info on Roland Piquepaille)

      Perhaps he's saving up for a trip to Mars, to enjoy the tres, tres haute cuisine.

      I say we all pitch in, send him up, then cut off his web connection. Or his oxygen, whichever is easier to grab.

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  6. Iron Chef Martian... by idontgno · · Score: 3, Interesting
    And today's ingredient is...

    Chlorella!

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  7. Not a "Freedom Fry" thing, but... by pla · · Score: 4, Funny

    And it's interesting to note that the new menus were elaborated with the help of Alain Ducasse, the French chef

    No specific offense to the French intended, but as a vegetarian, I can think of much better choices to have designed the menu (not to mention, not everyone likes real French-style food).

    Indian food, for example, has a truly huge variation of veggie-only dishes, as does Spanish (though on that, I'll admit, my experience with it involves mostly South-American-Spanish, not Southern-Europe-Spanish food). Greek has a decent selection as well, and you replace the lamb with falafel for most of the rest.

    But French? The French have a reputation for taking perfectly good, otherwise healthy and veggie safe foods, and drenching them in lard. Wrapping them in thinly sliced meat. Stuffing them with unnameable mollusks and cephalopods.

    Not the best choice, IMO.

    1. Re:Not a "Freedom Fry" thing, but... by mrtrumbe · · Score: 4, Informative
      You are modded "Funny" right now, but maybe I just don't get it...

      As a chef, I think you are uninformed as to exactly what French cuisine is and how much the French have contributed to modern techniques used in all types of cuisine around the world.

      For some background, I suggest these two wikipedia.org articles:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cuisine

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provence (note the culture section)

      I prefer the flavors of the Southwest, Latin america and India in my own cuisine, but there are very good reasons that most modern chef schools teach primarily French techniques in their curriculums. In the majority of dishes I prepare, there is some piece of the dish whose core is a French invention, or at least has a parallel in French cuisine. For instance, read wikipedia's article on sauces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauce), where you will learn about the huge effort French chefs put into creating and codifying the various root types of sauces. These sauces are heavily used in nearly all types of cooking.

      In regards to use of vegetables, I'd think a classically trained (read: French) chef could come up with many tasty dishes with just a few vegetables.

      I think you have some misconceptions about French cuisine.

      Taft

    2. Re:Not a "Freedom Fry" thing, but... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Informative
      my experience with it involves mostly South-American-Spanish, not Southern-Europe-Spanish food
      In my experience, people never refer to food from South America as "Spanish" cuisine. It's usually either Mexican or Salvadoran or some Americanized (in a good way! Tex-Mex or California) equivalent. If you say "Spanish food" you mean paella and tapas. Not burritos or tacos or enchiladas or chimichangas. Not guacamole.
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    3. Re:Not a "Freedom Fry" thing, but... by mrtrumbe · · Score: 4, Informative
      Spice refresher...

      First, most spices are not nearly as easy to cultivate as you describe. Take black pepper, for instance. There is a reason that it was once one of the more valuable spices in the world. Read up on wikipedia for the details of its cultivation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pepper). A key point in the article is that getting an initial harvest of a consumable size would likely take a few years. Cumin and corriander (which would also produce cilantro) are far more viable options. But I'd just like to point out that if a spice so integral to most cuisines as pepper is difficult to grow, these astronauts better prepare to make some sacrifices. Many spices require so much cultivation time and/or post-harvest treatment as to make them impractical, especially on another planet. I would think vanilla, saffron and cardamom would fall into these categories. And then there are the spices which would be nearly impossible to cultivate without an extended stay and a large amount of land. Cinnamin comes to mind...

      As for shelf life, spices generally don't fare very well. In ground form, spices generally lose their pungency well within a year. In whole form, you can eek another year or two out of them. But that isn't a long time in planet-hopping years. Storage mechanisms might be created to extend their potency, but I use air-tight containers at home for whole spices and I never keep them for over a year. You can taste the difference, trust me.

      In terms of herbs, they would fare much better. A little herb plant can go a long way. And so long as there is enough light and water, cultivation is a snap.

      Taft

  8. Nice idea, but... by nystagman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ....it's the variety of the diet, at least as much as the quality that keeps you (well, me at least) from going nuts, or potentially worse, losing interest in eating.

    I hope that these fancy new meals do not end up displacing "comfort foods" such as may have previously been on the menu.

    As Martha would say, "It's a good thing."

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  9. Oh nos!!!1! by aftk2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    'martian bread and green tomato jam'

    But the book isn't named How to Cook For Humans on Mars, it's named How to Cook Humans on Mars!!

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  10. Does this mean... by suman28 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about plumbing and the rest of the infrastructure needed for maintaining this 'farm'?

  11. Re:Oh well... by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That because most of the french dont eat what "The French" consider to be french food.

    French food IS extreamly unhealthy, but most food there is common peasant food which is a lot more healthy and light.

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  12. Re:Oh well... by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This post may seem like flamebait, but I really do hate the French, so i feel I'm justified

    What sort of argument is "I'm a bigot, so I shouldn't get modded down"? What's next - +5 for someone saying "Before you mark me as a troll, understand that I really do hate Jews"?

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  13. So close.... by bluGill · · Score: 4, Informative

    You were so close to the answer. Even used the correct word: hydroponic. Yet you still missed it.

    Plants just need water and nutrients to grow. They do not care much about the soil, so long as the roots get enough (but not too much) water and nutrients. Tomatoes have been grown in just water and fertilizer for years! No soil needed at all. Most plants are more picky than tomatoes, but many grow in gravel sprayed with water and fertilizer.

    This is old by now. Tomatoes were first grown in the lab this way in the 1930s. (There are claims to have done it before then, but they are hard to pin down) Though tomatoes are particularly easy to grow with hydrophonics.

    I'm not sure what nutrients potatoes need, but they prefer sandy soils, which generally doesn't have much in the way of nutrients. Most of the other plants in the article seem to have been selected in part because they don't need much in the way of nutrients.

    In short, we know we can find CO2. We can crack that to get a little O2 to start things out. We are pretty sure we can find water. The amount of fertilizer needed is small for many plants, and thus trivial to bring. (Not to mention it is a by-product of digestion once humans are nearby) The only worry is nitrogen doesn't seem to be plentiful. It could easily end up that getting the nitrogen is the hardest part. Depending on how the greenhouse needs to be designed of course.

  14. Re:Oh well... by Dirtside · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, all the people who acted like bastards during the colonial era are dead now.

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