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Google's Site Ranking Secrets

vivin writes "Ever wonder how Google's site ranking works? Wonder no more. Google recently filed United States Patent Application 20050071741 on March 31, 2005. This patent reveals a great deal of information about Google's site ranking algorithm and makes very good reading. For example, one of the criteria that they use is the number of years that your site has been registered. If your site has been registered for less than a year, then it counts against you. A site registered for a longer period of time means that the owner is probably serious about the site, and the site is probably legitimate. Google's Site Ranking algorithms reveal how hard they are making it for spam sites to get listed (on Google). This information will also make it easier for you to make sure that you get listed well in Google."

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  1. Note by Leffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Note that there is no guarantee that Google uses everything in the patent or that they don't use other methods not described in any of their other patents.

    1. Re:Note by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then what is the point in patenting the method if they aren't going to use it?

      Uhhh...to prevent others from benefiting from it? That's what patents are for. They say it there to promote innovation. It protects the owners exclusive control in the hope that he might reveal his idea to the world. More often than not, what really happens is that the owner will put the invention on the shelf because a)it competes with other inventions the owner may have on the market, or b)like a land or commodities speculator, he's holding out for an exorbitant price. Note that also more often than not, the owner of the IP privileges is not the creator. Patents are bought and sold like poker chips. While the actual device rots. Only the paper pushers benefit.

      what are they trying to protect then?

      Their advantage over everybody else.

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  2. Real Explanation by henrywood · · Score: 5, Funny

    I prefer the official Google explanation:

    http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html

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  3. Speed of gaining links? by dhasenan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Google record the discovery of a link and link changes over time. The speed at which a site gains links and the link life span.' I fail to see how this would be helpful--if something's new and briefly popular, you only want to give it a high rank for a brief period and forget it once people stop linking. But if something's new and popular for a duration, you want to keep it well ranked.

    1. Re:Speed of gaining links? by Peeteriz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you have a good site with valuable information, then, over time, news of it will get around, and you will keep getting new links over time.

      However, if you have gotten 1000 links at once, and for the next months noone else is linking to you - then you have probably bought the initial links, but nobody real considers the content worthy of attention.

  4. Spammers killing Google by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could someone explain how other crap search engines are getting high rankings in Google search?

    Sometimes when I search for something specific, I get a bunch of useless links that have results of other "search engines" that invariably show something similar to "0 results for your search terms 'sheep+barn+slashbot+erotica'"

    How do these sites get on the first page of Google results?

    1. Re:Spammers killing Google by jrumney · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, they're really annoying. They often have genuine looking summaries in Google's results, inticing you to click on them expecting to find useful information, but all you find is a page of links, often completely unrelated to your Google search. I wonder why Google hasn't got on top of them yet. All it would take is a second robot identifying itself as Internet Explorer slowly crawling the web looking for pages that give completely different results than the google spider.

    2. Re:Spammers killing Google by shird · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are scaper sites.

      They get to the top through link spamming, 302 hijacks, "scaping" content from other sites, search engine optimisation etc etc etc.

      They are sites "made for adsense" as its called, whereby they exist for the sole purpose to be highly ranked in google and get ad clicks from people looking for something else. Effectively 'doorway' pages, which make a shitload of money, as people that land on such pages don't find what they really want, so click through on the ads in hopes of finding it there instead.

      The crap of the internet, many hundreds of thousands of such sites run by only a hanful of thousand very rich people.

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    3. Re:Spammers killing Google by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Could someone explain how other crap search engines are getting high rankings in Google search?
      That's not as bad as getting mailing list archives. You search for a particular Linux error message, and what you get is archives of mailing list messages of guys who ask precisely the same question, with a lot of "me too" follow-ups, but no definite answer to your problem, that is if you can manage to find the link that leads to the follow-ups... Because heaven forbids mailing list archive software offers standardized navigation...
    4. Re:Spammers killing Google by Leffe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Try figuring this wonderful navigation out and I'll give you a cookie!

      Hey, there's a help button... *clicks*... Oh God...

  5. Its a patent... and a laundry list... by shri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've thrown every technique they could have thought of into the patent purely as a defensive mechanism to prevent other major engines from patenting them. Some of the techniques are thrown in as defensive FUD to prevent newbies from using them.

    Some of these techniques are just plain old bizzare and might be way too difficult to approach algorithmically.

    Oh well .. what do I know ..

  6. SEOs make me barf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Argh... quit trying to game the system! If you read the article, it's entirely from the perspective of someone trying to corrupt the rankings for financial gain. Here's an idea: make good, useful web pages, rather then spending all your time an energy creating these BS link farms. The SEO world is the modern day equivilent of snake-oil salesmen.

    1. Re:SEOs make me barf by Momoru · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree they can be evil...but one thing Google lacks is giving new sites some priority....say i come out with the best tech site ever, but I have no money to advertise with, how do i get it popular? Ok i submit it to Google. I appear on page 5000 of the results. I have to beg people to link to my site, maybe spam a couple of blogs, i dunno...the thing is without the tricks, its almost impossible to get your new site to appear in the search results. And even with them its still pretty difficult. I think maybe google should have a special section of "new to the web" or whatever to give these sites publicity. In the old days, the yahoo directory kind of put all decent sites on even ground.

  7. Re:ATTENTION by dhasenan · · Score: 4, Funny
    You're right! You're so right! I was lured in at a young age by a friendly smile and a promise of free software, but now I realize my error. I want to convert; I've been led so far astray, I don't know how to get back. Can someone send me a copy of Windows ME so I can regain my sense of self independent of a prescriptive, prohibitive monoculture of an operating system?

    I want to change. Please help me--I don't think I can do it on my own.

  8. I thought so .. changed my site from .ro to .com by acostin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always suspected this... When we've started our business, we used the domain www.interakt.ro (we're from Romania). However, because we sell software tools mostly to the USA and Western Europe, we've decided to go to www.interaktonline.com.

    Instantly, our ranking went from number one (for "Dreamweaver Php" for example, we were number one there instead of Macromedia itself a long time), to page 10.
    Now, we're working hard to promote our site, we have links all over the place, but still our site don't get up again to page 1 (search for "dreamweaver extensions" - we have to pay to get our site in the first position). I even thought that they do this on purpose for us to continue to pay on Google Ads :D

    Probably they say it too in the patent, but the best ranking tool is to use the right "title" tag in your pages. It's invaluable how well this scores as compared to the page content.

    Alexandru

  9. PageRank by Fermatprime · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article dedicates only a couple of paragraphs to PageRank, the main algorithm that Google uses, and about 2.5 pages to the rest. If anyone wants to know more about PageRank, here's Page and Brin's original paper: http://www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

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  10. About the autor by nietsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    bout the Author
    How-to-make-money-online.info is a site focused on Making Money Online and Internet Marketing, listing the many and varied ways of making money online. Featuring, resources, thousands of Internet Marketing articles and useful links.

    This article comes with reprint rights. You are free to reprint and distribute it as you like. All that we ask is that you do not make any changes, that this resource text is include, and that the link above is intact.

    So that explains a lot. What a crappy article, I wonder if the submitter is the same as the Author?
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  11. Re:Temporal data. by b0r0din · · Score: 5, Funny

    Umm, you spelled 'genius' wrong, genius.

  12. Registration Age vs. Registration Duration by courtarro · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just to clarify, from the summary:

    one of the criteria that they use is the number of years that your site has been registered

    is not the same thing as (from the article):

    How many years did you register your domain name for?

    Though the summary suggests that older sites do better, the article is stating that, in order to improve one's Google ranking, domain owners should purchase longer domain registrations.

  13. Re:I thought so .. changed my site from .ro to .co by acostin · · Score: 5, Informative

    And another small note... Initially, we have used an HTTP 403 (Permanently moved) from interakt.ro to interaktonline.com. This caused us a MASSIVE degradation of our position, so right now we just do a transparent redirect from interakt.ro to interaktonline.com, without the Permanently moved headers (and this is how we've reached page 2...)

    Alexandru

  14. more on the subject by muszek · · Score: 5, Informative

    The story is so old I can't believe it made it to slashdot.

    Some more on info the subject:
    1. U.S. Patent Application - it's best to read what's exactly been patented.
    2. interesting discussion on webmasterworld

    Personally I think that while some of the stuff is interesting, most of it is made up rather to confuse SEOs (google doesn't quite like them, you know that, right?). Before that, they had couple factors to think about and work on. Now, there's a shitload of stuff that just makes their work harder. Also, more factors influencing SERPS means it's much, much harder to make a trial-an-error research on what works well and what doesn't.

  15. Doesn't work, see explanation by stripmarkup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This type of spam (showing a page to the crawler and another to the user) is called cloaking. Cloakers have anticipated this sort of move and can detect a search engine's crawler by not just the user agent but also the IP address range it comes from and other heuristics. In order to beat them, search engines would have to crawl from unpredictable IP addresses and behave like regular users.

    A while back I proposed a distributed approach like this in the Nutch mailing list. The problem is that it would be hard to implement and it may not be worth the effort, since there are cheaper ways to fight spam.

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  16. Just look at the patent application by Moiche · · Score: 4, Informative
    Jeez, news for nerds, and the story was a badly edited blurb referencing a badly edited blog that didn't reference the patent application.

    Just look at the patent application yourself.

    I haven't read the whole thing, but just having taken a quick look at it, I have to agree with the posters who said that Google purposefully tried to cover any conceivable technique to index and rank pages. The application discusses multiple implementations of the various techniques that could be used to rank a page. Therefore analysis of the patent application is probably of limited utility for those trying to game PageRank (which was certainly a factor that Google's very competent IP lawyers considered before prosecuting the patent).

    For those who are worried that Google is doing evil with this patent application, given the breadth of the patent and the fact that it discusses a plethora of techniques which Google may or may not be using, I will be surprised to see Google try to use this patent (or be able to use this patent) to push another search engine out of the market. More likely, I think, is that this will constitute prior art to enable Google to withstand challenges from other patent applicants for infringement. Of course, if you know anything about PageRank, you know that it was getting published in Scientific American long before Google was the dominant search engine. So this patent application is probably more to prevent allegations that Google infringed by adding on all the other checks and balances to the original PageRank technology to discourage spam sites.

    Moiche

  17. Not that simple by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, its not that simple. Lets say I have a small business, I sell garden tools, lawnmowers,etc, in a certain region. And yet I do a search on google for garden tools + region, I am nowhere to be found. What do I do? I optimise the hell out of my site, caking it with region name + garden tools information, and I set up a links exchange program, getting in links left right and centre from related sites. This is SEO, and it will only affect people that enter a search for "garden" "tools" "my region". In other words, those that actually want to find my site.

    Theres a distinction between SEO and spamming; if I was to optimise for a garden tools site and set up a poker site there, that would be spamming.