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Do Stealth Startups Suck?

glinden writes "In 'Stealth Startups Suck,' Bloglines CEO Mark Fletcher argues that 'stealth mode for a web start-up is the kiss of death.' He says that moving quickly and getting feedback from early users is much more important than protecting the core idea or trying to launch a perfect product. Is there any good reason for a web startup to not be open about what it is doing? What about other kinds of software startups? What about hardware startups?"

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  1. I somewhat agree with him by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I agree with him in general, one thing you need to be aware of is: Be careful that advertising before your product is ready doesn't tarnish your company's reputation. While such a thing can be turned around later, it can easily kill your company early on.

    One other interesting thing he did say, though:

    My rule of thumb is that it should take no more than 3 months to go from conception to launch of a new web service. And that's being generous. I'm speaking from experience here. I developed the first version of ONElist over a period of 3 months, and that was while working a full-time job. I developed the first version of Bloglines in 3 months. By myself. It can be done. And I suck at it! Just ask all the engineers who have had to deal with my code.

    This somewhat ignores the amount of business development that has to go on behind the scenes. It takes time to get funding for one, and much more time to build a network of providers. In fact, building that network can still be going on years after the service has launched! You may not even be able to launch the service if you don't manage to find an existing provider base that's willing to go with your idea. Most of them will want to sit on the fence and see how it goes first.

    Of course, this strengthens his original point in that you can't gain a provider base until you get the word out to your customer base. :-)

    On another topic, this talk of investors has me curious. How does one connect with a VC or angel investment firm? Most of the more public ones don't seem to want to do business with you unless you're something other than a caucasian male. It seems that it can pay off to be considered ethnic. ;-)

    What about other kinds of software startups?

    You do need a product before you can release 1.0. Also, you need to have an advertising campaign in place with a one-two punch. First, release the product with much fanfare. This will generate interest and some sales. Then follow up with an army of salepeople and catchy advertising to prevent those initial sales from waning.

    What about hardware startups?

    Surprisingly similar to software products, only it can be much harder to release a patch. In fact, if the hardware fails to live up, it may be the death of your company. i.e. You may not be able to do another manufacturing run until you generate sufficient sales of the initial run.

    1. Re:I somewhat agree with him by EvilMagnus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How does one connect with a VC or angel investment firm?

      Contacts. The Real Money (tm) comes from knowing people who know people, who can get your pitch into the right hands. I have relatives who do this (both as angels and as VC firms), and it's all from who you know. There're very few, if any, 'cold call' plays that end up with money from their VC firm.

      Also, it helps to be doing something in China.

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  2. Lets see how well it works for comments. by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

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  3. They're good work if you can get it... by aborchers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I spent about a year working for a consulting company that was developing the presence for one of these "stealth start-ups". They were certainly not counterevidence to the thesis.

    They spent millions, much of it on our programming fees, as we went through endless iterations of design-as-you-build. We tried repeated to reign them in, get them on a rigorous development process, and convince them to get a basic system live and build from there. They insisted on dotting every i and crossing every t, and rolling out from day one with ridiculous bleeding edge multimedia features that had nothing to do with their business model, before ever revealing the site. All the while we billed them T-and-M. They went broke and dark within a month of their actual debut on the Web.

    It was stupid, frustrating work for a stupid, frustrating client, but the paycheck sure was nice...

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    1. Re:They're good work if you can get it... by byteherder · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Could you please post the name of your company, so I can never, ever use your services?

      Does it bother you that you're a parasite?


      I think his point was that good consulting advise can not make up for bad management.

      The reasons startups fail, BAD MANAGEMENT

    2. Re:They're good work if you can get it... by jathan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're kidding right. From the parent post it sounds like it went something like this:

      Consultant: Your business idea is stupid.
      Customer: We are brighter than you, take our money and do what we say.

      Repeat.

      At what point does the consultant not become a parasite? He indicated they told the customer it was a dumb idea, multiple times.

      Eventually you just have to except the fact that your customer is stupid and you might as well take the money as compared to someone else taking it.

  4. Stating the obvious: by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A stealth startup is a risk. When it is done smartly, the cash is bigger, when it is done badly, the failure is bigger. If you get more feedback early on, you can be more sure in the product, but on the other hand you face risk from the competition.

    Nothing new here, it's been like this for hundreds of years.

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  5. The non-stealthy way by s20451 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Mr. Gates,

    I have just released a new product to surf the "World Wide Web". I call it "Netscape".

    I think something as important as this should not be kept under wraps. I would appreciate any feedback you may have!

    Yours,
    Marc Andressen

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  6. Meeting VCs by winkydink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On another topic, this talk of investors has me curious. How does one connect with a VC or angel investment firm? Most of the more public ones don't seem to want to do business with you unless you're something other than a caucasian male. It seems that it can pay off to be considered ethnic

    Call or write them and ask for a meeting. Chances are you'll get 5-15 minutes of their time. If they're interested, you'll get more. VCs have a lot of money sitting on the sidelines right now, so they're eager to hear ideas.

    Oh, if you want them to sign an NDA, forget it. Almost never happens.

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  7. Increase your chances of being bought by strongmace · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Be open and perhaps a larger company will buy you. This could open up all sorts of opportunities now that you'll have a larger resource pool (assuming you are still included in the project of course). However, you do have to have a quality deliverable. While being open is very nice, being available for public scrutiny while your product or service is still in its formative stages may be a bit much. You have to draw the line somewhere and balance is important. While getting constructive criticism is great, opening up your project too early could lead to ridicule and hurt your future growth.

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    1. Re:Increase your chances of being bought by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Be open and perhaps a larger company will buy you.

      Good for the investors and execs, bad for everyone else who would rather have a job than a severence package.

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  8. Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...to your newsletter. Put me down for $100,000.

  9. Don't forget the counterpoint by tobes · · Score: 4, Informative
  10. All or nothing by wishus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. I didn't want to advertise my game, Warband 1066, until it had been through a few rounds of testing from my friends. They gave me valuable feedback while I honed the gameplay over a period of months. Now, while it's not finished, it is ready for a larget audience, and I have confidence that I won't chase away early adopters with a game that sucks.

    So there is a gray area between keeping it hidden and telling the world.

  11. web service can be made in 3 months and without $$ by mikkom · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But creating a new web service is not rocket science and does not take a lot of time or money. My rule of thumb is that it should take no more than 3 months to go from conception to launch of a new web service. And that's being generous. I'm speaking from experience here. I developed the first version of ONElist over a period of 3 months, and that was while working a full-time job.
    What an utter bull%&#!

    This guy has coded one little program that he runs on internet ("web service" as he calls it) and then he considers himself expert of everything and generalizes the work it took him to code that application to every program that has html interface. I would really like him to code for example a multilanguage e-commerce platform for real world use that handles tens of thousand simultaneous customers in 3 months and without "lot of money" and then write another article about the subject.

    Our company has been programming a business "web service" for a global customer for about 1,5 years now and it definitely was not even in a prototype stage in 3 months, few real world projects that have real customer are. AND we are profitable, still in slight stealth mode and have no VC money.
  12. Pretty far off base by IHateSlashDot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm currently on my 6th startup and can say that this article is not very accurate (yes, I've taken one from the beginning all the way through public offering). There are plenty of reasons to start off in stealth mode.

    First, there is such a thing as a unique idea and it can be important to keep it quiet. You certainly need to get your patents filed first. The fact that the author suggests otherwise simply means he has never worked in a truly inovative environment.

    The first mover is important argument is not a truism. In fact, the first mover usually looses. Netscape is a poster child for that.

    I'd suggest trying a couple more startups. The author can then look back at this article and smile at his naïveté.

  13. Redux by DingerX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Alright, many of the preceding posts have hinted at it, but I'll lay it on the line:

    If you're a startup, you have limited resources across the board. Okay, okay, If you have tons of VC money, feel free to follow his advice, then explain to the VC dudes why you didn't get them the massive ROI they expected two years down the road.

    The worst thing you can do in any business is advertise a product too soon. Whether you're selling the Osbourne 2 or Team Fortress 2, early hype is "the kiss of death".
    A previous poster commented something to the effect of the mantra I've followed for a while: Ideas are cheap; it's execution that matters. TFA seems to think that Ideas are what matters, and that stealth is all about protecting those. While I agree that stealth is a dumb way to protect ideas, it is a great way to shield your staff from "outside distractions" while they execute that idea. And it's also a great way to control the media -- and there's no business in the world that doesn't benefit from positive media control.

  14. Re:Ah, the Transmeta Syndrome by toddbu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Product publicity is like watering a plant... The right amount of information, in the right-sized doses, would likely produce something with a better chance of survival.

    Having been involved in several startups with budgets ranging from hundreds of millions of dollars down to one that's self-funded, I've found that the key is in knowing when to listen to your customers versus when to tell them what to do. Most people don't believe this, but there are times when you need to tell people what they should be thinking. After all, you're hired not only for your ability to service a customer's needs but also for your expertise, and if you keep asking people all the time what they want then they start wondering whether you know what you're really doing. The message that you want to convey to any new customer is "Hey, I know what I'm doing, and I want to use that knowledge to help you with your needs."

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