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How to Become A Real-World Superhero

utherdoul writes "Batman isn't from outer space and wasn't born with a mutant gene --he uses his riches, raw determination and technological know-how to equip himself to fight evil. So why couldn't the average geek do the same? I've written a story for Forbes.com that breaks down the Dark Knight's expenses and explains what it would cost to become a real-world Batman using commercially available training and technology." From the article: "Batman's suit is a modified piece of infantry armor built by the applied sciences division of Wayne Enterprises. It's waterproof, bulletproof, knife-proof and temperature-regulating. Paired with an impact-resistant, graphite-composite cowl and spiked ninja-style gauntlets, it allows Batman to protect himself against everything from swords to machine guns."

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  1. Duh. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful


    > Batman isn't from outer space and wasn't born with a mutant gene --he uses his riches, raw determination and technological know-how to equip himself to fight evil. So why couldn't the average geek do the same?

    Did you miss the part about riches?

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  2. Fscking Astroturf by ewhac · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How much is Warner Bros. paying for these ads poorly masquerading as "news"?

    Schwab

  3. Main Problem: by imsabbel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even being totally l33t equipt and fit like Rambo wont give you the magic "perfect Luck" factor batman has.

    Even if your suit will stop 99% of all bullets, and your fit enough to beat thugs people into submission 95% of the time.... ... If you go crimefighting every night, after a few months youre chances of being a corpse in some alley are really really good.

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  4. Fucking Stupid Article. by His+name+cannot+be+s · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sheesh.

    I started reading it this morning, and realized they were just tallying up stuff from the movie that just came out.

    This is quite pathetic, but hey, it's Forbes.

    Duh.

    Oh, I love the truly stupid part about the "fictional forbes fifteen" list of the richest fictional retards.

    Fuckabugaloo. :p

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  5. Ah yes, become a superhero! by Roofus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This reminds me of a quote from Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash:

    Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad.


    It's funny, because I used to think that exact thought. Then reality hit, and I realized I'm just a big pussy :(

    1. Re:Ah yes, become a superhero! by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And why couldn't they, if they really wanted to? If they dedicated themselves to actually doing it?

      They might not be the baddest, but they could probably get close.

      Really, the difference between Bruce Wane and the most of us with that dream is that he decided it was more important than anything and everything else in his life. His life is filled with exactly two things: maintaining his cover, and being Batman. Nothing else matters, and nothing else exists.

      He never has time to watch a movie, or read a book. To try to meet a girl (outside of maintaining his cover, or another superhero). The company is run by others. He has no life.

      You may admire the choice, but admit the cost. Maybe you could have made that choice, if you had really wanted to. But could you have paid the personal cost?

      If you think it would be worth it, try it. A few have. They didn't start with the resources Bruce Wane did, but I've read articles about a few. (Sorry, can't find them at the moment.) People who dedicated themselves to being the best hero they can be.

      Most are trying to figure out how to have a normal life, how to fit in to the world.

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    2. Re:Ah yes, become a superhero! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I studied martial arts real hard for over 10 years. Know what I learned most? Martial arts are to be used for self defense. Want to stop crime? Go become a policeman.

      So every normal day I'm just another guy on the street. It's only if you attack me or someone I care about (or have reason to help. Don't mug some old lady, for example...) that I become "the baddest motherfucker in the world."

      I don't fight crime in general, vigilante justice itself is illegal.

      Want to help the police? Make 'em cookies. It's easy and it raises their morale. Simple, and they work that much harder because of it. (Or they might just eat the cookies and forget about it, but at least you feel good about it.)

  6. What happened to the batman geek? by DoctaWatson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The batman I know and love from comics to cartoons to movies to even the hokey 60's Adam West has always been a brilliant detective and keen scientist.

    I loved Batman Begins, but I really think they missed the mark when it comes to Batman's CSI savvy.

    My head was spinning when Bruce Wayne says "Am I supposed to know what that means?"

    So if you want to be a real Batman, figure in another several hundred thousand dollars for advanced degrees in science and criminology.

    (Also... $30,000 + 3 years in China != the ability to fight like the movies, but only the keenly stupid would think otherwise, right?)

    1. Re:What happened to the batman geek? by aliens · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Haven't seen it yet, but did he say that as Bruce Wayne? If so then it would fit rather well, Bruce Wayne was meant to just Wayne Corp's pretty faced playboy. If he acted smart it wouldn't be in character.

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  7. GOD DAMN IT by kenp2002 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well it's good to see yet another spot for a crappy movie. I am glad to see that while there is so much going on in the world in technology and geekdom in general we need to beat a 4 times already dead horse. Wow this is almost as bad as the last Batman commercial... speaking of which....

    I AM GETTING REAL FUCKING SICK OF THE FUCKING COMMERICALS ON SLASHDOT THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DISGUISED AS ARTICLES!! FIX THIS SHIT TACO YOUR SMARTER THEN THIS CRAP!

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  8. Irritating website by Fallingcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They made the content a pop-up that auto advances to the next page after a set amount of time.

    Dumbest. Thing. Ever.

  9. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think 3.4 million is an underestimate. That car would be wrapped around a tree in a week.

    Anyhow, fostering the presence of a superhero is not a very cost-effective way for a city to lower its overall crime figures. Legalized abortion costs the public virtually nothing and has a much greater effect on reducing crime than competing strategies such as incarceration or tax breaks to encourage millionaire superheroes to relocate.

  10. Newton's laws don't apply by HermanAB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in comics, but they do in real life. That is the real secret of Batman's success.

    If your average doughnut fattened geek would try it, he would be in for a rude awakening and would come down to earth rather quickly at 9.8m/s/s...

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  11. 'Ninja style gauntlets' by LowbrowDeluxe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Says it all, really.

  12. Re:...also... by NuShrike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With that kind of money, "lady friends" will smarm out of the dark caves they come from to mug you automatically. Even if you smell, and have the glow of bad white skin.

  13. A better plan... by sterno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You could spend $3.4 million on the batman shtick, or you could spend that money on hiring a vigilante army.

    Think about it, what are they paying contractors in Iraq to do protection and security jobs where they are getting hsot at constantly. So pay for them, and then the equipment to arm them, and you'd have a wrecking crew far superior to you on your own.

    Figure $250K/vigilante/year for salary and benefits and you could hire 10 of these guys for $2.5 million. Then you'd have about $1 million/year to spend on equipment for them. Body armor, assault rifles, etc.

    Then whenever you want justice to be done, you give them a call and they crack some skulls for you. If you want, you can even give them bat ears to put on their helmet so they can keep with the theme.

    The best part is, you don't have to worry about getting bruised or scarred. You can go to your rich parties, party it up and know that you've kept the streets safe without personally lifting a finger.

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  14. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah funny, "isn't real", haha! I've seen him on TV, he's real.

    -An American

  15. Armor ? by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real Batman doesn't have, want or need armor. The real Batman (the one in the comic book) uses the arcane fighting techniques known as "dodging" and "hiding" and a psychological trick called "FUD" to protect himself.

    The idea behind "hiding" is simple. It is based on never letting your foe to know that you're there, therefore not giving them a chance to strike back. It helps a lot to wear black and operate at night when it's dark - just like the Batman does.

    The idea behind "dodging" is somewhat more complex, but not tremendously so. It is based on never occupying the same point in time-space as anything that might harm you. In practice, you observe your opponent, and when you see him aiming at you with a gun, you move away from the line of fire. Obviously, this becomes exponentially more difficult the more people you fight at once, so it is recommended that you use "hiding" to find lone targets.

    The last tactic, "FUD", stands for "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt". It's idea is to strike fear to the hearts of your opponents, so that they stop thinking clearly and start making stupid mistakes (such as spreading out, buying Windows, or paying SCO for Linux licenses).

    Ironically enough, there was a pretender Batman in the comic books once - a guy the real Batman had appointed to stand in for him while he healed from wounds given to him by Bane. That pretender Batman wore armor, and went mad, and got soundly beaten by the real Batman.

    The point of all this is that this particular article makes me less, not more, likely to see "Batman Begins". Dear advertiser, please make sure you understand what you are advertising before you design your advertisement. Batman is not Terminator or Robocop, he's closer to a ninja.

    But then again, if they cast Batman as a martial arts expert, they'd need an actor who actually knows martial arts to make it look believable. Just compare Darth Maul to Count Dooku - which one has better fight scenes ?

    Maybe whatever school actors go to should include martial arts lessons in its curriculum ? They might become handy even outside the movies, once the actor becomes famous and starts attracting mentally unbalanced fans.

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  16. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I know you're using this as a chance to beat your pro-legalized-abortion drum, but I have to respond.

    Anyhow, fostering the presence of a superhero is not a very cost-effective way for a city to lower its overall crime figures.

    If you've got dastardly supervillians who would otherwise regularly kill thousands it is.

    Legalized abortion costs the public virtually nothing and has a much greater effect on reducing crime than competing strategies...

    If you consider a human fetus to be worth only 1/100th of a fully-developed human being (an estimate considered too high by some and too low by most), the costs in human life FAR outweigh the benefits from reduction in homicides.

    Ever since Freakonomics came out, you ostensibly "pro-choice" people have been gleefully citing Levitt's results without bothering to take into consideration the lives of the unborn children. There is a place for debate on how many and what kinds of rights the unborn have, but each side steadfastly refuses to acknowledge it. (This is also why the debate on federally-funded stem-cell research is stalled.)

    By the way, that 1/100th analysis is in Levitt's book, at the end of the chapter on crime. I didn't make it up.

    (Go ahead mods, mod me down. You know you disagree with me. That's what moderation is all about, right?)

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  17. Re:FTFA by D'Arque+Bishop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe he means Batman: Mask of the Phantasm?

    Granted, it wasn't live-action, but it was a theatrical release, and it came out between Batman Returns and Batman Forever. It uses the Animated Series/Gotham Knights/Justice League continuity and was done by the TAS team.

    Frankly, I consider it better than the other live-action films, with the possible exception of the 1989 Batman.

    Just my $.02...

  18. riches wont do you any good by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and if you had the riches what would you do?

    There are no cartoonish supervillians. "Street crime" is usually taken care of by the police and is really none of your business. Imagine some moron busting the heads of the local pot dealer out of respect for "justice." If someone is really concerned about the safety of their streets and trains then they can always get a Guardian Angels' t-shirt and the little matching beret and play vigilante.

    Big crime happens all the time by power structures like governments, organized religions, corporations, etc. The tools for fighting these nasties don't involve tights. They involve activism, raising awareness, getting others involved in politics, and other things that don't look real cool in graphic novels.

    Not to mention if you had insane wealth, you're probably part of the problem. Check the holdings of some wealthy people, they sometimes fund some very shady companies or governments which do some fairly nasty things. Real world problems are rarely fixed with just a punch in the face and a snazzy batmobile.

    I'm sure the editors of Forbes magazine have no problem with the worldview that if we just beat up some low level street criminals then everything would be fine.

    1. Re:riches wont do you any good by Some_Llama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Just because you want to get high doens't mean that it's not illegal."

      And just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it is "wrong" or deserves a head bashing...

    2. Re:riches wont do you any good by deacon · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Street crime" is usually taken care of by the police and is really none of your business.

      Not only is this bullshit, it is also the cause of much of the casual crime that goes on today. If you see an old lady being kicked on the ground by someone trying to rob her, that's everybodys business. Obviously, the police are not on the spot when crime happens. They just show up later to collect the bodies.

      If, however, you prefer no one helps you when you get mugged, I guess I'll respect your wishes.

      The rest of your "class warfare" rant is too foolish to bother responding to.

    3. Re:riches wont do you any good by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >If you see an old lady being kicked on the ground by someone trying to rob her, that's everybodys business.

      Oh please, there's an obvious difference between being proactive and reactive. Most people engage in altruism everyday without body armor and a super cool secret identity. You're talking about reacting to something that happens to you; the comic-book superhero is the opposite: a vigilante that seeks out and prevents or thwarts trouble.

      So what are you going to do to *prevent* this little old lady from being robbed? Profile certain people? Illegally spy on others? Knock a few heads around to get some information? A bit of street torture? Maybe a lynching to teach bad guys a lesson?

      Wanna really help on the small scale? Become a cop.

      >If, however, you prefer no one helps you when you get mugged, I guess I'll respect your wishes.

      Sigh. Again, you're failing to understand the context of the grandparent post. Nice way to take things personally too.

    4. Re:riches wont do you any good by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Just because you want to get high doens't mean that it's not illegal.

      Just because Christians in ancient Rome wanted to worship Jesus didn't mean that it wasn't illegal.

      Just because black people in 1860 wanted to be free didn't mean that helping escaped slaves wasn't illegal.

      Just because women before the 1960s wanted to control their own bodies didn't mean that contraception and abortion weren't illegal.

      Anyone who attempts to live by any reasonable code of ethics is going to find themselves quite often rooting for, actively assisting, or even becoming, "criminals".

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    5. Re:riches wont do you any good by petitgars · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Parent obviously does not know the difference between Justice and Law. Look it up.

    6. Re:riches wont do you any good by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And just because some people can do it in moderation doesn't mean the majority would use a substance safely, in terms of puting themselves and/or others in danger.


      Ok, so if someone on drugs puts someone in danger, just do the same thing we do to anyone else who puts someone in danger. The drugs are completely irrelevant.

    7. Re:riches wont do you any good by LnxAddct · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But unfortunately, sometimes the masses are so dumb that they don't know what is good for them. This is where the government steps in, more or less protecting the people from their own stupidity. At least someone is. (I am in no way saying that the government is always in the right)
      Regards,
      Steve

    8. Re:riches wont do you any good by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You forget the utmost important first step--petitioning ones governmetn for a redress of grievences. And that very important second step--attempting to change the government through peaceful means.

      So when the government makes immoral and unconstitutional laws, I'm supposed to follow them until my congresscritter gets around to reading my mail? It's only ok to help fugitive slaves escape if you write your legislators first? Pardon me, but I must disagree.

      Yes, I've written a letters to my congresscritters over the years, and have donated money to NORML and the ACLU, and my vote is certainly influenced by candidates stances on the War on (some) Drugs and other abuses of state power. But it's pissing in the wind.

      And since you mentioned doing things that are illegal, let's not forget the first rule of civil disobedience, as taught by Ghandi and King--you NEED the other side to be seen to carry out the law onto you.

      I never mentioned civil disobedience. I'm certainly not talking here about civil disobedience as a social movement as practiced by Ghandi and King. If the term "civil disobedience" applies at all, it is in the original sense as used by Thoreau:

      Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? WHy has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right.

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      If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.

      But I'm not, a priori, limiting the options to civil disobedience; I'm willing to consider the use of justifiable defensive force against violent actions by agents of the state.

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    9. Re:riches wont do you any good by rpozz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I assume you are referring to UK law about defending your property on the second paragraph. It has actually been clarified - if someone is in your house and threatens you, you can do pretty much what the fuck you want to them until they start to run away. If they run away, you can chase them down and subdue them, but at that point you can't use unnecessary force, such as stabbing them repeatedly with a knife.

      The court case with the farmer who shot the burglars was because he basically shot them with a shotgun as they were running away.

    10. Re:riches wont do you any good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The simple reason why vigilantiism is generally not allowed is that, historically speaking, it has always led to more violence and even more situations where the innocent are wrongly accused than we have with cops.

      People who roam the streets looking for trouble will generally find it - whether or not it was there in the first place. At least with police officers they have a uniform and a badge and a set of processes you can use to complain about them if they stuff up.

    11. Re:riches wont do you any good by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, for cars, the applied solution is the driving license. You have to proof that you are able to drive safely to get it, and if you are caught to drive dangerously, the police can take it away. So going by your analogy, maybe there should be a drug license? (And BTW, drinking too much alcoholics can be dangerous, too, so maybe there should be a drinking license. However, this could cause problems with drunken driving: Should they take away the driving license, the drinking license, or both? :-)

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    12. Re:riches wont do you any good by littlejess · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ouch. Yay to spoil my fun, you big grown-up. You have a point though, in that - unlike in comics - the "supervillains" aren't really one lone man, but whole corporations / governments / etc. It takes two (hundred) to tango (in this case).

  19. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by rawket.scientist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At $200k per year, they're probably underpaid. At least, it would take much more than that for me to start saying "Very good, sir."

    What's more, being a butler (butlering? butlerhood?) would not be an ideal career for most slashdotters. It takes way too much tact. For example: picture yourself working a tech support job. Imagine the calls for broken cup holders and missing "any" keys. Now consider that the caller is there in person, and the calls are for broken cups and missing car keys. He calls at 6:00 AM. He calls at lunch time. He calls when he wants a midnight snack. You can't hide; you live in his house. And he doesn't ever ask to speak to your supervisor; he is your supervisor. If you tell him to RTFM or that he has an ID ten T error, you will be held accountable.

    Now here's the question. Which happens first, your firing or your arrest for assault with a deadly weapon?

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  20. Re:What? by hords · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also, Batman isn't real.

    No, but Angle Grinder Man IS! And boy, does it take balls of steel to wear that outfit!