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How to Become A Real-World Superhero

utherdoul writes "Batman isn't from outer space and wasn't born with a mutant gene --he uses his riches, raw determination and technological know-how to equip himself to fight evil. So why couldn't the average geek do the same? I've written a story for Forbes.com that breaks down the Dark Knight's expenses and explains what it would cost to become a real-world Batman using commercially available training and technology." From the article: "Batman's suit is a modified piece of infantry armor built by the applied sciences division of Wayne Enterprises. It's waterproof, bulletproof, knife-proof and temperature-regulating. Paired with an impact-resistant, graphite-composite cowl and spiked ninja-style gauntlets, it allows Batman to protect himself against everything from swords to machine guns."

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  1. Duh. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful


    > Batman isn't from outer space and wasn't born with a mutant gene --he uses his riches, raw determination and technological know-how to equip himself to fight evil. So why couldn't the average geek do the same?

    Did you miss the part about riches?

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  2. Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by winkydink · · Score: 5, Informative

    ans several years of your life for training.

    The Bottom Line
    Final Cost: $3,365,449

    The Training: $30,000
    The Suit: $1,585
    The Belt: $290
    The Car: $2,000,000
    The Cave: $24,000
    The Alter Ego: $1,109,574
    The Butler: $200,000

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    1. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by superpulpsicle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Recovering some old ladies $10 purse as a superhero: Priceless.

    2. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by nubbie · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Butler: $200,000
      Damn! A butler make $200,000? Why didn't my parents name me Jeeves?

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    3. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by modecx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Legalized abortion costs the public virtually nothing and has a much greater effect on reducing crime...

      Is that kind of abortion of the postadolescent variety? Because a superhero might be able to help greatly with that, too!

      I can see it now: The Aborter. He's a mild mannered abortion clinic doctor by day, helping rid the world of unwanted babies... By night he's on par with The Punisher, except he has a custom-formulated serum that makes villians crap their intestines right out, resulting in a long, miserable (and incredibly messy) death! He also has sonar vision (don't ask how that happened, you don't want to know!) that can also detect "bad seeds", while they're in the womb!

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    4. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by ilsa · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Bottom Line
      Final Cost: $3,365,449


      The long version makes it clear that most of the goodies are made by, developed by, or otherwise courtesy of Wayne Enterprises. Now, granted, it's his company, and he can afford an accounting firm that can figure out how to write off $3.3 Million.

      But you would think somebody in R&D would at some point read the latest press on Batman say "Hey! I remember working on that project!"

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    5. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by Diamon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow you can pull off an alter ego as a billionaire by barely spending a million dollars? I guess Wayne manor is just cardboard, duct tape and a coat of paint.

    6. Re:Cut to the chase - $3.4 million by AeroIllini · · Score: 4, Funny

      But you would think somebody in R&D would at some point read the latest press on Batman say "Hey! I remember working on that project!"

      I think the people in Wayne Enterprises all work on parts and pieces of the projects, never really knowing what they were for, and I think Alfred was supposed to be the one who assembled them into their final form. (I guess that means he also gives the Batmobile a tuneup once in a while.) With that sort of divide-and-conquer strategy, the only employees you'd have to keep quiet would be those in the Bat-Shaped Black Plastic Casings Division.

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  3. So why couldn't the average geek do the same? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you can't do it from the comfort of your terminal, it ain't worth it.

  4. What? by Daedalus-Ubergeek · · Score: 5, Funny
    Batman isn't from outer space and wasn't born with a mutant gene


    Also, Batman isn't real.
    1. Re:What? by hords · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, Batman isn't real.

      No, but Angle Grinder Man IS! And boy, does it take balls of steel to wear that outfit!

  5. Batman's weakness by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why doesn't anybody aim at his chin? (no armor there)
    All it requires is a sniper.

    1. Re:Batman's weakness by techsoldaten · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, that depends on how you define major injury.

      - he has recevied wounds that resulted in broken ribs and broken arms (for that matter he has fallen from great heights in such a way that the reader would assume much worse);

      - he has occassionally suffered the effects of neurological toxins which rendered him incapable of normal function;

      - he suffered from a disease similar to vampirism that made him incapable of being out in the light;

      - he has drowned to the point of needing to be resuscitated;

      - he has been impaled and flailed to the point where blood poured out of his costume;

      Now, I am not enough of a comics geek to be able to point out issue / page numbers, but I fondly remember these events from the pages of the comics I read in my youth. I always thought he was the toughest superhero because of the predicaments in which he would be placed by writers.

      M

    2. Re:Batman's weakness by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Platonic", you ignorant poltroon! A "plutonic" relationship would be one you had with an igneous rock formed by solidification at considerable depth beneath the earth's surface.

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    3. Re:Batman's weakness by pete-classic · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually you can brace yourself that you can survive a fall.


      I'm not sure if "brace" is the right word.

      I took Airborne school in '93. We jumped T-10 'chutes. According to some random page I found with google, the terminal velocity of a T-10 with an equipped soldier hanging off of it is 22-24 feet per second (6.7 to 7.3 m/s^2). Sadly my Physics is too rusty to figure out the height from which an unrestrained fall would produce that velocity on impact.

      Understand that this is a fall that a parachutist should be able to walk away from with some regularity. (In Jump Week twice a day on each of Monday and Tuesday.)

      The strategy for walking away from this fall was, long story short, fall over on impact.

      We were taught to make five discrete impacts with the ground, reducing the force of each. (For reference, the points are the balls of the feet, the side of one calf, the side of the upper part of that leg, the ass cheek on that same side, and the same side of the back.*)

      Anyway, "bracing" one's self is likely to end in at least one broken leg.

      -Peter

      PS: Before anyone asks, yes, I'm a five jump chump . . . but at least I'm not a leg!

      -P
    4. Re:Batman's weakness by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny
      http://www.health24.com/sex/Glossary/1253-1271,263 53.asp
      Doggie style

      Also known as rear entry. Sexual position in which a person who is on all fours is penetrated from the rear, either vaginally or anally.
      Turns out that the "other" doggie style is the most used:
      Survey says "Doggie Style" is most used sexual position:

      Husband begs for 2 hours
      Wife rolls over and plays dead
  6. Fscking Astroturf by ewhac · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How much is Warner Bros. paying for these ads poorly masquerading as "news"?

    Schwab

  7. Main Problem: by imsabbel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even being totally l33t equipt and fit like Rambo wont give you the magic "perfect Luck" factor batman has.

    Even if your suit will stop 99% of all bullets, and your fit enough to beat thugs people into submission 95% of the time.... ... If you go crimefighting every night, after a few months youre chances of being a corpse in some alley are really really good.

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  8. ...also... by Otter · · Score: 3, Funny
    So why couldn't the average geek do the same?

    Furthermore, the average geek doesn't need to "count on forking over $297,000 a year on gifts, including Tiffany diamond earrings and necklaces for your lady friends."

  9. Dupe by nfras · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looks remarkably similar in content to:
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/15/223923 1&tid=97&tid=99
    and just 6 days later.

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  10. Ah yes, become a superhero! by Roofus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This reminds me of a quote from Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash:

    Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad.


    It's funny, because I used to think that exact thought. Then reality hit, and I realized I'm just a big pussy :(

    1. Re:Ah yes, become a superhero! by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And why couldn't they, if they really wanted to? If they dedicated themselves to actually doing it?

      They might not be the baddest, but they could probably get close.

      Really, the difference between Bruce Wane and the most of us with that dream is that he decided it was more important than anything and everything else in his life. His life is filled with exactly two things: maintaining his cover, and being Batman. Nothing else matters, and nothing else exists.

      He never has time to watch a movie, or read a book. To try to meet a girl (outside of maintaining his cover, or another superhero). The company is run by others. He has no life.

      You may admire the choice, but admit the cost. Maybe you could have made that choice, if you had really wanted to. But could you have paid the personal cost?

      If you think it would be worth it, try it. A few have. They didn't start with the resources Bruce Wane did, but I've read articles about a few. (Sorry, can't find them at the moment.) People who dedicated themselves to being the best hero they can be.

      Most are trying to figure out how to have a normal life, how to fit in to the world.

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  11. $740 a month for Shoalin training?!! by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 4, Funny
    Man whatever happened to knocking on the temple door and waiting three days without encouragement

    These Chinese keep claiming to be communists but I just don't see it.

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  12. What happened to the batman geek? by DoctaWatson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The batman I know and love from comics to cartoons to movies to even the hokey 60's Adam West has always been a brilliant detective and keen scientist.

    I loved Batman Begins, but I really think they missed the mark when it comes to Batman's CSI savvy.

    My head was spinning when Bruce Wayne says "Am I supposed to know what that means?"

    So if you want to be a real Batman, figure in another several hundred thousand dollars for advanced degrees in science and criminology.

    (Also... $30,000 + 3 years in China != the ability to fight like the movies, but only the keenly stupid would think otherwise, right?)

  13. GOD DAMN IT by kenp2002 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well it's good to see yet another spot for a crappy movie. I am glad to see that while there is so much going on in the world in technology and geekdom in general we need to beat a 4 times already dead horse. Wow this is almost as bad as the last Batman commercial... speaking of which....

    I AM GETTING REAL FUCKING SICK OF THE FUCKING COMMERICALS ON SLASHDOT THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DISGUISED AS ARTICLES!! FIX THIS SHIT TACO YOUR SMARTER THEN THIS CRAP!

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  14. "Secret" Batcave by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Funny

    I always wondered how nobody knew about him being batman, where he's got all this high tech stuff that sometimes gets blown up (the batmobile in Batman and robin). Do they kill the contractors after they're done? There's gotta be one guy who gets drunk in a bar and says "you think you're job is cool, i just fixed the anti-lock brakes on the batmoboile at wayne manor"

  15. Irritating website by Fallingcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They made the content a pop-up that auto advances to the next page after a set amount of time.

    Dumbest. Thing. Ever.

  16. Contrast by spellraiser · · Score: 5, Funny
    City of Heroes account: $14.95/month

    It's a no-brainer. Also, we are geeks, right? Real life is a bit too ... real. Especially when it comes to engaging in violence with unsavory characters.

    Now, a badass remote-controlled robot to roam the streets, beating the crap out of the bad guys, that would be something else ...

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  17. Wayne Enterprises; hmm there COULD be a connection by wernst · · Score: 4, Funny

    ALL this guy's stuff is from the Whatever-Whatever division of Wayne Enterprises. You'd think this "Batman" fellow owned the freaking company or something... ;-)

  18. Legal costs will kill him by kmahan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's not forget the legal costs here. He'll need a fulltime team of lawyers.

    - copyright/trademark infringement (obvious) - *BIFF* *BAM* *POW* must all have TM after 'em
    - defense attorneys to get him out of jail/represent him for all of his speeding tickets
    - civil attorneys to handle all the lawsuits from the criminals he "wrongly assaulted"
    - insert obvious comments about riaa/mpaa/gitmo

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  19. Real Life Superhero by bartle · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Anyone who's interested in whether it would actually be possible to become a superhero would probably enjoy this episode of This American Life.

    The second act discusses the life of a woman who named herself Zora and decided to, from an early age, learn all the skills needed to become a comic book style superhero. She achieves her goals but then learns that there are very few job opportunities that require all the skills that she now possesses. It's well worth listening to.

  20. A better plan... by sterno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You could spend $3.4 million on the batman shtick, or you could spend that money on hiring a vigilante army.

    Think about it, what are they paying contractors in Iraq to do protection and security jobs where they are getting hsot at constantly. So pay for them, and then the equipment to arm them, and you'd have a wrecking crew far superior to you on your own.

    Figure $250K/vigilante/year for salary and benefits and you could hire 10 of these guys for $2.5 million. Then you'd have about $1 million/year to spend on equipment for them. Body armor, assault rifles, etc.

    Then whenever you want justice to be done, you give them a call and they crack some skulls for you. If you want, you can even give them bat ears to put on their helmet so they can keep with the theme.

    The best part is, you don't have to worry about getting bruised or scarred. You can go to your rich parties, party it up and know that you've kept the streets safe without personally lifting a finger.

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    1. Re:A better plan... by epiphani · · Score: 4, Funny

      yes, but this is the logic of most of batmans' opponents, and everyone knows that they always loose.

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  21. Armor ? by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real Batman doesn't have, want or need armor. The real Batman (the one in the comic book) uses the arcane fighting techniques known as "dodging" and "hiding" and a psychological trick called "FUD" to protect himself.

    The idea behind "hiding" is simple. It is based on never letting your foe to know that you're there, therefore not giving them a chance to strike back. It helps a lot to wear black and operate at night when it's dark - just like the Batman does.

    The idea behind "dodging" is somewhat more complex, but not tremendously so. It is based on never occupying the same point in time-space as anything that might harm you. In practice, you observe your opponent, and when you see him aiming at you with a gun, you move away from the line of fire. Obviously, this becomes exponentially more difficult the more people you fight at once, so it is recommended that you use "hiding" to find lone targets.

    The last tactic, "FUD", stands for "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt". It's idea is to strike fear to the hearts of your opponents, so that they stop thinking clearly and start making stupid mistakes (such as spreading out, buying Windows, or paying SCO for Linux licenses).

    Ironically enough, there was a pretender Batman in the comic books once - a guy the real Batman had appointed to stand in for him while he healed from wounds given to him by Bane. That pretender Batman wore armor, and went mad, and got soundly beaten by the real Batman.

    The point of all this is that this particular article makes me less, not more, likely to see "Batman Begins". Dear advertiser, please make sure you understand what you are advertising before you design your advertisement. Batman is not Terminator or Robocop, he's closer to a ninja.

    But then again, if they cast Batman as a martial arts expert, they'd need an actor who actually knows martial arts to make it look believable. Just compare Darth Maul to Count Dooku - which one has better fight scenes ?

    Maybe whatever school actors go to should include martial arts lessons in its curriculum ? They might become handy even outside the movies, once the actor becomes famous and starts attracting mentally unbalanced fans.

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  22. Re:FTFA by Redwin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually there were 8:

    1. Batman (1989)
    2. "Batman" (1992)
    aka "Batman: The Animated Series" - USA (promotional title)
    aka "The Adventures of Batman & Robin" - USA (new title)
    3. Batman (1966/I)
    aka "Batman: The Movie" - USA (video box title)
    4. Batman Returns (1992)
    5. Batman Forever (1995)
    aka "Batman 3" - USA (working title)
    6. Batman & Robin (1997)
    aka "Batman and Robin" - USA (alternative spelling)
    7. Batman Begins (2005)
    aka "Batman 5" - USA (working title)
    aka "Batman Begins: The IMAX Experience" - USA (IMAX version)
    aka "Batman: Intimidation" - USA (original script title)
    aka "Batman: Intimidation Game" - USA (fake working title)
    8. Catwoman (2004)
    aka "Untitled 'Batman Returns' Spin-off" - USA (working title)

    Although IMDB does say Batman begins is called Batma 5 so u are right... kinda :-)

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  23. even if the vest can stop everything... by mangu · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...have you seen any bullet-proof vest that extends below the belt? Is there nothing important to protect there, or do they think snipers play by boxing rules?

  24. riches wont do you any good by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and if you had the riches what would you do?

    There are no cartoonish supervillians. "Street crime" is usually taken care of by the police and is really none of your business. Imagine some moron busting the heads of the local pot dealer out of respect for "justice." If someone is really concerned about the safety of their streets and trains then they can always get a Guardian Angels' t-shirt and the little matching beret and play vigilante.

    Big crime happens all the time by power structures like governments, organized religions, corporations, etc. The tools for fighting these nasties don't involve tights. They involve activism, raising awareness, getting others involved in politics, and other things that don't look real cool in graphic novels.

    Not to mention if you had insane wealth, you're probably part of the problem. Check the holdings of some wealthy people, they sometimes fund some very shady companies or governments which do some fairly nasty things. Real world problems are rarely fixed with just a punch in the face and a snazzy batmobile.

    I'm sure the editors of Forbes magazine have no problem with the worldview that if we just beat up some low level street criminals then everything would be fine.

    1. Re:riches wont do you any good by Some_Llama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Just because you want to get high doens't mean that it's not illegal."

      And just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it is "wrong" or deserves a head bashing...

    2. Re:riches wont do you any good by deacon · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "Street crime" is usually taken care of by the police and is really none of your business.

      Not only is this bullshit, it is also the cause of much of the casual crime that goes on today. If you see an old lady being kicked on the ground by someone trying to rob her, that's everybodys business. Obviously, the police are not on the spot when crime happens. They just show up later to collect the bodies.

      If, however, you prefer no one helps you when you get mugged, I guess I'll respect your wishes.

      The rest of your "class warfare" rant is too foolish to bother responding to.

    3. Re:riches wont do you any good by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >If you see an old lady being kicked on the ground by someone trying to rob her, that's everybodys business.

      Oh please, there's an obvious difference between being proactive and reactive. Most people engage in altruism everyday without body armor and a super cool secret identity. You're talking about reacting to something that happens to you; the comic-book superhero is the opposite: a vigilante that seeks out and prevents or thwarts trouble.

      So what are you going to do to *prevent* this little old lady from being robbed? Profile certain people? Illegally spy on others? Knock a few heads around to get some information? A bit of street torture? Maybe a lynching to teach bad guys a lesson?

      Wanna really help on the small scale? Become a cop.

      >If, however, you prefer no one helps you when you get mugged, I guess I'll respect your wishes.

      Sigh. Again, you're failing to understand the context of the grandparent post. Nice way to take things personally too.

    4. Re:riches wont do you any good by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Just because you want to get high doens't mean that it's not illegal.

      Just because Christians in ancient Rome wanted to worship Jesus didn't mean that it wasn't illegal.

      Just because black people in 1860 wanted to be free didn't mean that helping escaped slaves wasn't illegal.

      Just because women before the 1960s wanted to control their own bodies didn't mean that contraception and abortion weren't illegal.

      Anyone who attempts to live by any reasonable code of ethics is going to find themselves quite often rooting for, actively assisting, or even becoming, "criminals".

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    5. Re:riches wont do you any good by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And just because some people can do it in moderation doesn't mean the majority would use a substance safely, in terms of puting themselves and/or others in danger.


      Ok, so if someone on drugs puts someone in danger, just do the same thing we do to anyone else who puts someone in danger. The drugs are completely irrelevant.

    6. Re:riches wont do you any good by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Funny

      religon vs. being high?

      to an agnostic, there is a WHOLE LOTTA things running in parallel

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    7. Re:riches wont do you any good by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You forget the utmost important first step--petitioning ones governmetn for a redress of grievences. And that very important second step--attempting to change the government through peaceful means.

      So when the government makes immoral and unconstitutional laws, I'm supposed to follow them until my congresscritter gets around to reading my mail? It's only ok to help fugitive slaves escape if you write your legislators first? Pardon me, but I must disagree.

      Yes, I've written a letters to my congresscritters over the years, and have donated money to NORML and the ACLU, and my vote is certainly influenced by candidates stances on the War on (some) Drugs and other abuses of state power. But it's pissing in the wind.

      And since you mentioned doing things that are illegal, let's not forget the first rule of civil disobedience, as taught by Ghandi and King--you NEED the other side to be seen to carry out the law onto you.

      I never mentioned civil disobedience. I'm certainly not talking here about civil disobedience as a social movement as practiced by Ghandi and King. If the term "civil disobedience" applies at all, it is in the original sense as used by Thoreau:

      Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? WHy has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right.

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      If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.

      But I'm not, a priori, limiting the options to civil disobedience; I'm willing to consider the use of justifiable defensive force against violent actions by agents of the state.

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  25. A lethal height "dose" is.... by spineboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The generally regarded LD50 (lethal dose where 50% of the involved die) for height is about 4-5 stories. I do a lot of trauma orthopaedic surgery, and I have to say that we don't get many people alive who've fallen more than 50 feet. We do get some exceptions, but just remember the good old E=1/2MV^2 rule - survivability falls off sharply at height greater than 50 ft (roughly 40 MPH).

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