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Orlando Cancels Free WiFi Project

EvilStein writes "According to local news, the City of Orlando has cancelled the city WiFi project. The 6 month pilot program ran for 17 months instead of the planned 6, but in the end, it was costing the city too much money and very few people were using the service. Might other municipal WiFi projects go the same way?"

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  1. not economically feasible not a surprise by yagu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article: But city officials said that only about 27 people a day took advantage of the program -- not enough to justify the $1,800 the city paid every month for the service.

    Maybe naively I've been waiting for the propogation of wireless to be everywhere and always available and if not free, at least very inexpensive, and ubiquitous. The quote above snapped me back to reality. Sure wireless everywhere is the buzz these days, but how many people really need, or want it? I would venture even in the techno-elite slashdot crowd many wait for wireless everywhere but only a relatively modest subset of those would actually use it, and of all who use it, it would not likely be at great volumes everywhere (as in, that's kind of what it needs to be to sustain and maintain the infrastructure).

    Wireless internet isn't the same as cell phones in the sense that wireless access to the internet is nice, but doesn't drive communications as does telephony. Wireless internet access is a nicety but until wireless folds neatly into existing or expanding other necessary infrastructure (e.g., cell phone) I wouldn't be surprised to see other experimental free wireless internet sites suffer the same fate (really the question asked by the article).

    If a city as large as Orlando didn't sustain the experiment there are many other cities that would point to that as justification for not even bothering trying, at least not in the near future.

    (Doesn't mean I don't want it, just means it's too niche-y a market right now.)

    1. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by kebes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Excellent comments. However, it is very much a catch-22. I, for one, don't really have any wireless devices or plans to buy any soon. However, if wireless were available throughout my city, then this would change my decisions considerably. Suddenly, a wireless device is worth the money. I would probably buy a laptop and use wireless constantly (whereas for now I'm content using landline internet at various places).

      My point is that, unfortunately, this is one of those things that requires time for people to take full advantage of. I'm not saying that a city should dump millions of dollars into infrastructure that people are not using, but certainly they should be realistic in their plans to promote the service, and wait for people to take advantage of it.

      For instance, a much more modest (and sane?) proposal would be to fund wireless "hot-spots" in various places... you could even let people ask to have zones set up for wi-fi... and the city would spend the money to activate an area if a certain number of people had all requested it. As this caught on, more and more people would want access in their area, and eventually the infrastructure would be used to its fullest.

    2. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by samtihen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I think the real problem is the availability of service in conjunction with the cost, rather than people's desire for it.

      At this point in time, small wireless network hotspots are not all that useful except in certain situations, such as your home, your office, or a type of business such as a fast food joint.

      WiMax (or an equivalent solution) is, of course, the only way that something like this will become effective. If user realizes that wireless access will be available ANYWHERE, not just some half block area, then more than 27 users will take advantage. Plus, when this happens, it will pave the way for VOIP services for mobile phones.

      I have yet to make up my mind if this is a service that should even be provided by the government. It may be better left to private organizations to ensure that the government does not restrict or monitor information across the network.

    3. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by deep44 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      When I go to lunch I go to eat, talk with my wife, and just mellow out. Why would I want to surf the net at lunch? Why would I want to surf the net at a park?
      Most people wouldn't. The point is, why work from the office when you can work from the park? ..or a coffee shop? ..or _anywhere_ in the city of Orlando?

      When I was a kid, my parents bought their first cordless phone, replacing an old rotary phone in our living room. My Mom would always sit right next to the cordless basestation when she used it- not because she doubted the technology; it was just what she was accustomed to doing.

      I think you see my point. Orlando was just a little ahead of the curve on this one..
    4. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bingo -- it's a matter of network effects. Hotspots are useful only for a small number of people who are willing and able to go to those hotspots to get their work done. Always-on, available-everywhere wifi (used in the generic sense, not meaning any specific flavor of 802.11) is useful to ... well ... everybody, because it encourages the adoption of the technology that makes it useful.

      Cell phones only became a universally accepted technology once coverage was good enough that you could be assured of getting a signal in just about any urban or suburban area, and most rural ones as well. Going a bit farther back, I believe the same is true of TV, and before that, radio. It would be absurd to look at a small-scale experiment like this and conclude "municipal wifi doesn't work."

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    5. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're thinking about it backwards. The point isn't to get people who are there for lunch to use the wireless, it's to get people who go there to use the wireless to buy sandwiches and coffee.

      Some people who can't get/afford broadband go there to do their work. You probably have it at work and/or home.

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    6. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I work at a software company as a developer. I have an Atlanta Bread right next to my office that has free wifi... I have never used it. Why?

      Because it's unencrypted, like the one near me?

      rj

    7. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by deep44 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Cause working around a bunch of randomly conversing people and other distractions means your productivity is likely going to go through the floor.
      ..precisely why I stay out of the office as much as possible.
    8. Re:not economically feasible not a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Good god, you totally missed the point of this project. You said "I work at a software company as a developer." You already have all the Internet you want at work, and probably at home too. OF COURSE you want to get away from the Internet on your lunch hour.

      But you know, there are people in this world who don't have Internet Everywhere. They might find value in this project.

      I suppose we could take your logic and say "I work at a bank as a manager, and I don't know why the hell we have ATMs on our outside wall. I can get money anytime I want."

  2. This is why by thelizman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...you let the free market handle these situations. A bunch of Government Beauracrats spent oodles of taxpayer dollars, and ran the project almost three times as long as promised, and the taxpayers basically got bupkis. Private industry knew better than to waste money there. OTOH, if I'm within spitting distance of Schlotskies in this town, I get free high-speed wifi.

    1. Re:This is why by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Private industry LOVED the operation.
      Or did you think the government obtained the hardware and internet connections out of thin air?

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  3. Understand by robpoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in Kansas City. If the city put in free wireless in our downtown - nobody would use it. There's nothing in our down town to do .. after 5:00PM (except buy drugs, hookers, or be on a cleaning crew).

    A city running something like that would give me the willies anyway. Who's to say they wouldn't be monitoring every piece of information - and/or someone sitting there with AirSnort doing the same..

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    1. Re:Understand by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A city running something like that would give me the willies anyway. Who's to say they wouldn't be monitoring every piece of information

      Who's to say your ISP isn't monitoring every packet you send and receive right now?

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  4. Re:Vague Article by wbren · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What they should be doing is using a shared DSL/cable 3 or 4mbit account. Throw up a linux box as a firewall (and to monitor bandwidth), and it's easy to scale up and load balance connections as required.
    That's exactly what I was thinking. With Comcast and other providers offering residential downstreams of 4Mbps at $40-$50/month, it seems natural to go that route. But remember, we may not have all the facts. For example, the city might be bound by a contract with the local Telco, who insisted they lease a Tx line.
    ...perhaps it's done by an over-priced consultancy charging (because it's the city) $300/hr...
    Over-priced consulting companies really make me angry. I have seen several people I know (some in my own family) hire companies that are obviously overcharging for basic services. They also do things like use overly-expensive equipment. Of course, given the opportunity I would probably charge the same rates, but still... ;-)
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  5. Downtown in most US cities... by keyrat+rafa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The real problem with this is how cities in the US are laid out. Cities in the northeast may have a lot of residents per square mile, but almost every where else, cities are very spread out. Maybe I'm only speaking for Miami here, but if you put WiFi in downtown no one would use it because nobody lives there. What is the city of Miami only has a population of 400,000. It's Miami-Dade County, where everyone inside considers themselves to live in Miami, which has the large population (2.3 million). Anyway, for this to work it's got to be done in residential areas, which are too spread out in most US cities (including Orlando).

  6. Civic issues by GregBryant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although subsidized-WiFi isn't as important as subsidized health, housing, education, etc... at least it's a public service subsidy. Most government subsidies just go to a few corporate stockholders.

    If you're going to push something like this in the civic sector, you need to push the non-laptop uses ... kiosks, for example. At malls we're starting to see health & human service kiosks provided by non-profits & public agencies. This would be a lot cheaper to do if WiFi was pervasive.

  7. Re:Seems to follow the no-progress trend. by RyanFenton · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Potential such as? ...
    New like what?


    Potential such as new ways of spreading knowledge and teaching subjects - the wikipedia concept is a superb working idea as an extension of an encyclopedia, and it's an idea that can be expanded further. Beyond detailing and linking concepts, the simple idea of teaching someone based on what they know could be one such branch of such developments. Many new elemental ways of using existing knowledge more freely and appropriatly have yet to be touched, or are even possible before we build the concepts needed to reach them.

    It's not so much that we have some isolated potential we don't care about - it's that we have huge families of ideas that we won't even know about until we step back into the the idea of the advancement of human knowledge.

    Something such as what to combat what?


    Well, it's not combat, it's trying to build the public will and eductional environment so that we can bring the a-political progress that seems to be stagnating in our self-distracting society. There are far better priorities to consider than the combat and pure-market mentalities we have settled into, in my mind - though I'm open to argument. It's about ending the short-sightedness that seems to be cutting into the long-term benefit of everyone, especially the market at large.

    Just my opinion: Without one new government program or non-conservative change, a simple shift in the interests of politicians and citizens back towards an interest in human progress would bring back something we seem to have lost for too long. I don't care about the politics, only getting away from the stagnation we seem to have fallen into.

    Ryan Fenton