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Identity Thieves Drain Unemployment Benefit Funds

Makarand writes "According to a News.com.com article, the defrauding of state government unemployment benefit programs is the most underpublicized identity theft crime and the states are not doing much about it. Identity thieves are using stolen social security numbers to file false unemployment claims and collecting benefits because the states have no systems in place to deter fraud. In fact, it is easier to convert stolen identity data into money by filing false unemployment claims than going after the credit card companies." From the article: "File a false unemployment claim and you can receive $400 per week for 26 weeks. Do it for 100 Social Security numbers and you've made a quick $1.04 million. It's tough to make crime pay much better than that."

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  1. Easier the other way... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    An unemployment claim that is fraudulently made on a stolen Social Security number would be easier to detect if there were a national database of stolen Social Security numbers.

    With all the theft of personal information in the news lately, and considering that a large percentage of this stolen information was Social Security numbers, it might be easier to compile a national database of Social Security numbers that haven't been stolen. ^_^

    Seriously, though, this is just yet another good argument to ditch the Social Security number system entirely...it's clearly not working. Essentially, with just one number, you have a system where the SSN is both the public and the private part of the ID, and as any security professional can tell you, that simply is not a workable model.
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    1. Re:Easier the other way... by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. In early 2001, someone impersonating me used my stolen credit card number to fly all over the west coast for a couple of weeks. They had to show up in person to take the flights and the fact that they weren't me didn't seem to cause them much trouble.

  2. Check for actual unemployment? by moz25 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To which extent do they actually check that the person is in fact unemployed? Certainly, a person-to-person talk should take place before they hand over money just like that? Perhaps this is a bigger problem in their system as identity theft appears to be one of many ways to exploit that system.

    1. Re:Check for actual unemployment? by Kintanon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see how this kind of fraud is even possible. In Georgia in order to receive unemployment benefits you have to have been laid off, which they verify with your employer, or have a letter of seperation from your employer, and the employer has to not dispute the unemployment claim. Then you have to provide weekly updates to the unemployment office or they stop sending you money. In addition you had to have made at least a certain amount of money during the period you were employed in order to qualify, also verified with your employer and with your tax records.
      So really, I'd LOVE to know how this is done, because I couldn't even get legitimate unemployment when I was out of work.

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  3. Re:Easy to fix by ZephyrXero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Life's not that simple. For every person ripping off the unemployment system there are 9 others who actually need it. Well, that is unless this new type the article talks about takes off...Maybe people will actually start to enforce proper management of the system?

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  4. Victims? by Peyna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the author referred to the victims of this crime as being the government agencies and not the taxpayers, I stopped reading.

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  5. Little harder than indicated... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No doubt lots of fraud going on but simply having the SSAN isn't all you need. You would also need at least some employment history data.

    Instead of another central database which conveniently aggregates all your personal information in one place, ripe for the hacking, what we need is a law passed that requires companies to remove the SSAN from their databases. All of them. The company can replace it with a unique identifier if they want but there is no reason for them to have the SSAN in the first place. Yes, I know it's the one number everyone remembers when someone is trying to identify you, but that is a poor reason for every database on the planet to contain such an important identifier. Let's develop a better way to authenticate someone, why don't we?

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  6. Quick?!? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    File a false unemployment claim and you can receive $400 per week for 26 weeks. Do it for 100 Social Security numbers and you've made a quick $1.04 million.

    Quick? 26 weeks? Plus the start up overhead of several weeks?

  7. Software probably can solve this by Jurph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like it would be trivial to scan a database for recurring addresses -- sure, there might be four people in a two-bedroom apartment collecting unemployment. But fifty? A hundred? Send an investigator out to talk to anyone living at an address with more than (e.g.) six registered names. If nothing else, he can interview all six of the people and see if there's a systemic problem keeping them from getting work in an area.

    Two things bother me about the article, however:

    1) The person calling our attention to this problem is a software vendor. He runs a payroll software firm, and probably has some financial interest in fraud-detection software. If nothing else, his byline contains an advertisement for his company.

    2) He doesn't really present any evidence for the problem other than hearsay from an official in Washington State. Neither of them presents any real numbers.

    I think it's wise to prevent this problem, and shore up any weakness to this exploit that may exist, but it's also important to be sure that a problem exists before demanding that the state take action.

  8. Ummmm, no. by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The theory is that people that do not have a job and have reached the end of unemployment benefits should not count as unemployed.
    Okay ...
    They should not count because they are in a class of people that either will not accept the jobs that are available or have no useful skills for the current market.
    But unemployment benefits do not exist in a vacuum. Those people had to have HAD jobs in the very recent past.

    So, in the very recent past, they WERE willing to accept a job and their skills WERE useful.
    Either way, they are not counted in unemployment because unemployment is more a measure of people that are likely to be useful in the workforce and are willing to fill a present economic need.
    Again, they were considered "useful" in the very recent past.

    By your "logic", there would never be any unemployment because the only people who would be counted as "unemployed" would have skills currently needed by business and a willingness to work for those businesses. So why would they not be hired by those businesses?

    And before you talk about demanding too much money, the businesses would only have to offer them more than they'd make on unemployment.

    Which doesn't leave much rational for "unemployment".
  9. Re:how can it be that easy? by Aggrazel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thats exactly how Ohio works too.

    I would imagine that most states are the same way, and that the article is full of FUD.

  10. Executive summary by phoenix321 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To clear my less-than-perfect post a bit:

    Stolen passwords or cards can be retired, while compromised biometric data will haunt you forever.