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NY Times On Spam Zombies

A discreetly valorous slashdotter writes "The NY Times is featuring a story about the growing armies of spam zombies. It focuses on New Jersey teen spammer Jasmine Singh. Choice quote: 'Hacking in its purest form is not about compensation or about wrecking a Web site. Hacking in its pure form is to show what you can do.'"

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  1. discreetly valorous slashdotter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "A discreetly valorous slashdotter writes"

    From dictionary.com: valorous - Marked by or possessing great personal bravery; valiant

    From the same: discreetly - Marked by, exercising, or showing prudence and wise self-restraint in speech and behavior; circumspect.

    Meaning an anonymous coward?

    Don't you love sales/marketing speak?

    1. Re:discreetly valorous slashdotter by Nasarius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tip: over-explaining the joke makes it not funny. I don't think most of us had to consult a dictionary for that one.

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    2. Re:discreetly valorous slashdotter by bitflip · · Score: 3, Funny

      Reminded me of a D Adams quote:

      "just as discretion was the better part of valor, so was cowardice the better part of discretion, he valiantly hid himself in a closet"

  2. Its purest form? by bmomjian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hacking in its purest form is showing how you can go to jail. :-)

  3. From BugMeNot.com by Silverlancer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Username: loser1234
    Password: loser123

  4. Holding systems hostage... by dancpsu · · Score: 3, Informative

    In one recent case, a small British online payment processing company, Protx, was shut down after being bombarded in a zombie attack and warned that problems would continue unless a $10,000 payment was made, the company said. It is not known whether the authorities ever arrested anyone in that case.

    Where would they send the money? This is like a kidnapping scheme. There is far too much involved when you actually want something back from the person you commit the crime against. You would think they would be easier to catch.

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    1. Re:Holding systems hostage... by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Where would they send the money?

      A Western Union office in Belarus, in one recent case. Once Western Union hands over the cash the transaction is irreversible and the victim's only recourse is local law enforcement. Extortionists can pick whatever country has the most cheaply bribable cops. And sometimes cops will ignore foreigners for free.

  5. No Registration! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would Slashdot please quit posting stories
    that you have to register for to read.

    Thank You.

  6. That's exactly right... by Omega · · Score: 3, Informative
    'Hacking in its purest form is not about compensation or about wrecking a Web site. Hacking in its pure form is to show what you can do.'
    That's it exactly. Hacking is about putting your skills and knowledge to the test. Such as kernel hacking or writing a device driver without any specs.

    Cracking is about breaking into a system. It might require some hacking, but it can also be done by script kiddies.

    1. Re:That's exactly right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not right in any meaningful sense.

      There are a crapload of people who for over 20 years have been using the term "hacker" in conjunction with words like "phreaker," which were the terms used by everyone in the 80s BBS scene. When people like you tell them "the word you've been using for two decades doesn't actually mean that," they will pat you on your cute little head and say "ok, whatever, run along now." Because ya know what? You don't own the word or its meaning. If I start calling my car a puppy and act condescending when people correct me then I'm an asshole, but if I've been using 'hacker' along with a huge community of others to self-identify for over 20 years then that's another story.

      The long and short of it is you don't control the word and it escaped your definition a long time ago. The word spawned another meaning a LONG time ago and although you might not like it you're powerless to make it go away. That's how language works.

      I'm sorry it annoys you, but thems the brakes, kiddo.

  7. So he/she treats crackery like it were a sport. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, so this teen treats crackery like it was a sport. To show his or her proverbial "balls", as it were. This would be a prefect opportunity for some older, social-concious geeks to get together and set up a crackery league for these youth. Let them perform their crackery against each other. Each youth could set up a system, and then they would go head-to-head to crack the other youth's system. Indeed, it would be an intellectual junior soccer- or baseball-style league.

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  8. Re:Why can't this be stopped ? by caskey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think everyone is better off when ISPs stay out of the business of controlling customers based upon the type of traffic they're sending or even worse what type of equipment they have. Consider the following two scenarios:

    SnoopyISP has a 'we can shut you down based upon the traffic you send' policy. After doing so, they could be set upon to offer this service to RIAA, MPAA, etc, etc. After all, they can't say they can't/won't do it.

    SnoopyISP says, "sorry, we don't let anyone who isn't running XP with our approved set of firewall apps running on it.", "But sir, I run linux, no worms here!", "Linux? Isn't that the hacker os? Sorry, we need to be sure that spam zombies don't attack. Therefore you must run UltraFireSoft Anti Hack Pro which we provide for free." "Do they have a Linux version? BSD? OSX? etc?" "Sorry, no, only windows XP. Oh and you need to have their auto-update feature turned on at all times--just to be safe."

    I'll take a net where I can pay for network connectivity and get that, and I can pay for email filtering, and get that. I most certainy and emphatically DO NOT want to create inroads (beyond such that may already exist) into ISPs doing traffic or configuration based filtering/management of customers.

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  9. From TFA... by andreMA · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Officials at the F.B.I. and the Justice Department say their inquiries on the zombie networks are exposing serious vulnerabilities in the Internet that could be exploited more widely by saboteurs to bring down Web sites or online messaging systems.
    Um, no. The vulnerabilities exposed are most often in Microsoft products, which allow the user to be owned. Someone needs to thwap the "Officials at the F.B.I. and the Justice Department" upside the head with a clue by four.
  10. Never, ever say by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    'crackery' again.

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  11. Quitcher bitchin' by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm afraid you're kinda screwed on this point. Slashdot is a news aggregator. This story is effectively a dupe of one that came before, but the "news" is that it's the New York Times publishing it, which has a far more important readership than PC World.

    In other words, the news isn't that there are zombies, but that a very important mainstream newspaper is telling people that there are zombies, and lots of 'em. You can't get this story from any other source, because the source is the story.

    And because the New York Times is so important, they get to charge for content. In this case the charge is cheap: you just let them know who you are, so that they can better sell ad space. That's not free, but it's pretty cheap.

    So basically I doubt Slashdot is ever going to "quit posting stories taht you have to register for to read", because that's where the good news is. If you'd like to establish an open source news gathering organization and make it available for free without registration, feel free.

    That's news "gathering" like the Times, not "aggregating", like Slashdot. News gathering is usually considered pretty expensive. You have to have a lot of reporters, and editors. And it takes time to establish the reputation that the Times has. And like software, news depends on trust.

    But hey, news, like software, is free to distribute once it's created, so maybe the open source model will apply. Go for it.

    Alternatively, stop bitching about what people are giving you for free (Slashdot summaries) or cheap (New York Times articles for the price of some trivial and easily lied about demographics). Your choice.

  12. Re:Irregardless, it's not like anyone cares by TheOtherChimeraTwin · · Score: 4, Funny
    Using words the "right" way doesn't make you any smarter. Like when I want to download my pictures to gmail, and someone says "you mean upload." Who cares?

    Sarflicks! I couldn't agree with you mosby! Why haggleby when the low-rider don't know blatz about the snoozer?

  13. Crisis scenario? by vaith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Next: NYTimes advises that zombie-spammers can be dealt with by "removing the head or destroying the brain".