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CVS Disposable Camcorder Hacked

ptorrone writes "We've been watching this on MAKE closely- and the king of the one-time digital camera hacks/analysis finally got his hands on a CVS Camcorder on Friday, the 24th via someone shipping him one FedEx. Within 18 hours, he had slurped the flash memory and has the unencrypted, XVID codec, 320x240, 30fps movies stored in the camera on his computer."

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  1. Hours of crappy goodness by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you don't hack the camcorder, you're paying $2 and change a minute to buy it, record 20 minutes, and have those 20 minutes put on DVD. Considering how many obvious artifacts were in the demo scene from the DVD, I am ready to boycott CVS just on principle. Charging that much money for such crap!

    Now the obvious answer is "hack the camcorder. Then it doesn't cost so much and you get more value for your money." Hmmmm... I can get a 16 ounce sh*t-flavored milkshake for $3, but with a little trick, I can turn that into a gallon. What a bargain, so long as I don't mind that it's still sh*t-flavored. If I want more sh*t-flavored goodness, then darn, I better learn the trick. If I want a milkshake that doesn't taste like sh*t, I think I'd better save my pennies.

    The ONLY reason I can think of getting this is to get a camcorder for your kid. If they break it, big deal.

    It also sort of reminds me of that old Mattell video camera that recorded grainy B&W on audio cassettes. Though crappy, it has its own kind of retro cool if you can find one now. Perhaps these cameras have value as collectors items.

    - Greg

    1. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fisher-Price being part of Mattel, of course.

      Anyway, the camera was called "PXL-2000" and the format was called "Pixelvision". Read More...

    2. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by KidHash · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think we should boycott CVS too!

      Subversion is the way forward!

    3. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by slashdot.org · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Considering how many obvious artifacts were in the demo scene from the DVD, I am ready to boycott CVS just on principle

      Huh. I just watched PICT0004.AVI (didn't want to download more so other people might get a change to access his site). I didn't think it was all _that_ bad. In fact, I don't believe it's much (if any) worse than my Sony DCR-PC9. Sure that's an oldy, but fuck, I paid like $900 for it or something.

      I think there's use for video of this quality. To bad there's no CVS around here...

    4. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • The ONLY reason I can think of getting this is to get a camcorder for your kid. If they break it, big deal.
      • Film events which are too dangerous to risk your real camera.
      • Film from many vantage points at once, without massive cost.
      • Film from vantage points which might be at risk of vandalism or theft.
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    5. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by Council · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Like this.

      Any other examples of too-damaging-for-a-real-camera photography?

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    6. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering how many obvious artifacts were in the demo scene from the DVD, I am ready to boycott CVS just on principle. Charging that much money for such crap!

      Wow, if you don't like a deal someone is offering, just don't take it. Show me a store that isn't charging too much for something or that offers something that doesn't present a value proposition that you accept. You're going to have to be self-sufficient if you start boycotting all of 'em.

      I'm thinking of getting a weather balloon and tying one of these on to see what happens. $30 sounds good.

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    7. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The video really isn't quite as bad as you're describing. Pict0004.avi is actually fairly decent (shot at the highest datarate) and is about the same quality as a VHS tape recorded at extended play.

      Maybe that kind of quality isn't usefull to you, but for many people that kind of quality is decent enough to be usefull. For someone on a small budget, $30 ($20 with coupon) is actually affordable, where $200-$300 for a real digital camcorder isn't at all.

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    8. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fisher-Price was not part of Mattel when the PXL was sold - it was a division of Quaker Oats. Later was spun off, then bought by Mattel, but not for years after the PXL was discontinued.

      I worked for FP for years, I could tell you some wild stories about the PXL.

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    9. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can get a 16 ounce sh*t-flavored milkshake for $3, but with a little trick, I can turn that into a gallon. What a bargain, so long as I don't mind that it's still sh*t-flavored. If I want more sh*t-flavored goodness, then darn, I better learn the trick. If I want a milkshake that doesn't taste like sh*t, I think I'd better save my pennies.

      <verifies that this isn't a children's message board>

      Man, the marketing company that came up with a flavor called "sh*t" realls sucks. Honest, but I mean, wow.

    10. Re:Hours of crappy goodness by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Informative


      According to this article you are only renting the camera, and are supposed to give it back when you're done.

      And an article in todays Star Tribune http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5475334.htm l says that there's no security deposit, and you don't have to return it if it's broken. That doesn't sound like a rental agreement to me. Coupled with the fact that there's no rental contract, I'd say "rental" is just a convienent word to use for people to describe the arrangement.

      So if I ask to borrow your car to drive 20 miles, and I don't sign anything, I can take your car on a 2000 mile trip, turn back your odometer, and get away with it?

      This isn't an informal "borrow a car from a friend" relationship. This is a storefront where people buy things and if a contract is involved, it's spelled out quite clearly. In this case, they sell you the camera, and then hope you'll bring it back.

      A contract doesn't have to be signed in order to be binding.

      No it doesn't but you do have to have at least a verbal agreement to have a binding contract. Unless they say whenever you buy one of these things "buy buying this product you agree to return it" then you have no obligation whatsoever to return it.

      Sure, you might get away with breaking it, but that doesn't mean you're not stealing.

      Gee.. I thought stealing meant someone took something from you without you giving it to them, or selling it to them. Since CVS is actually selling these things to consumers, there's no "theft" involved. If you want to co-opt the word theft to your own personal definition, fine. But don't go around using it that way and expect people to agree with you.

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  2. oh yeah! by bigwavejas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Getting a used Pure Digital / CVS Disposable Camcorder shipped to you... $15 dollars
    Taking the day off work to be at home for the Fed-ex delivery... $140 dollars
    Spending 18 hours hacking the camera for 30secs of video... Priceless!!!

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    1. Re:oh yeah! by Jozer99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to mention that they haven't been able to communicate with the CAMERA yet. They took the flash chip off the board and communicated with that. I hope you all like desoldering microscopic pins.

    2. Re:oh yeah! by morcheeba · · Score: 2, Informative

      I spent about 2 hours getting the pictures out, which was helped out by the fact that I had the right hardware and software laying around. But, the goal of that wasn't really to get my pictures. It was to get the firmware to analyze (mission accomplished) and to determine the format of the pictures (also accomplished). Yea, if I advocated this just to get pictures, then I'd agree that was a little excessive.

      Also, yesterday I got the flash re-installed into the camera and it still works.

      BTW: agree with grandparent's sig, too. I was watching the movie and kept thinking "ug, this is bad, but not as bad as Ep II"

  3. Hacking Cameras... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... isn't nothing sacred anymore? The next thing someone will hack will be the Hubble Space Telescope.

    1. Re:Hacking Cameras... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny. I didn't think trolls had to be coherent. Beside, if the preview button has my name on it, it should be link to my website. :P

    2. Re:Hacking Cameras... by ari_j · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... isn't nothing sacred anymore?

      Evidently, nothing is sacred anymore. Not even grammatical rules against double negatives in the English language.

  4. The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...do they completely reformat the flash every time one of these is returning for processing. This could become a strange form of voyeurism.

    1. Re:The question is... by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Informative

      That was my thought with the first disposable digital camera. IIRC, I didn't find an obvious erase in the firmware, but that's a moot point because I never found a recycled camera. The camera wasn't really designed to be recycled -- it had a surface that could easily be scratched, even with very light use.

      The second still camera (the PV2) has a USB function that sucks out all the important system files out of Flash memory and saves them in SDRAM. It then reformats the memory and copies the files back in. It's a pretty good erase (maybe not NSA secure, but recovery would involve probing the IC wafer), and I don't see why it wouldn't be used.

      But, the biggest security risk seems to be the time after development and before sending the cameras back to Pure Digital for recycling. According the people who operate the machines, the development machines don't erase the pictures. They stay on the camera in case something messes up -- they didn't want to have angry customers saying "what do you mean you accidently deleted my prints". It seems that the used cameras stay a while at the stores, so any operator could make prints of your pictures for up to a couple of weeks after you have them developed. But, bad employees is probably about the same risk as with traditional development.

      Since the camcorder uses a separate partition with only picture data, I suspect it would be pretty easy to reformat only this section completely. (the PV2 had system and user data in the same filesystem, which is why it had to save the data in ram)

  5. XviD codec? by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 2

    I wonder, if these people based their camcorder MPEG-4 encoding using the actual XviD codebase, where's the code? (not sure, but is XviD LGPL or GPL?)
    I also wonder if they paid the MPEG-4 licensing fee too. (probably on that one)

  6. The blogging applications of this are endless. by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Such cameras will bring a new dimension to bloggery. The extreme portability of these cameras, often smaller than the smallest commercially available MP3 players, will allow people to document their everyday lives in a very visual way. It will take videobloggery to a new dimension: a teatherless webcam, of sorts.

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    1. Re:The blogging applications of this are endless. by xmod2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My cell phone takes 30s grainy videos that I can upload to the web or email, as long as I have service. Seems a little more tetherless than having to find an internet capable box to post from.

    2. Re:The blogging applications of this are endless. by nonymous+Covvard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Because blogs aren't gay enough already.

      Really, I don't care that the bitch at McDonalds gave you attitude, or how your day at work went, or your opinion on anything. And I definitely don't want to see the video.

      The few blogs I can think of that are marginally useful (like http://www.artima.com/weblogs/index.jsp>Artima.com ) wouldn't benefit from video anyway.

      Blogs are like personal webpages 10 years ago. For a little while, everyone had one. Then they realized other than 2 or 3 of their friends, nobody cared. I give blogs about a year before all the bloggers realize that the vast majority of people still don't care.

      I just wish it'd hurry up and die. If I see another fucked up word like "videobloggery" I'm going to scream.

    3. Re:The blogging applications of this are endless. by justforaday · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because blogs aren't gay enough already.

      No kidding. I mean, I came across this one blog once that was just a whole ton of dorks sitting around talking about "penguins" (must be code for something) and "hacking" things...What a bunch of losers...

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  7. Article Text by MooseGuy529 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Disposable Digital Camcorder Interfacing

    Pure Digital's Single Use Camcorder for CVS

    [PureDigital CVS camcorder]

    Introduction
    This web page is a little raw because I just got the camera and I'm leaving on a trip soon. So, I'll be brief and hopefully informative.

    If you're not familiar with the camera, here is a good review.

    Disassembly
    Here's a photo gallery of the disassembly of my unit.

    Similar in constructioon to the PV2, this unit is rugged and can be easily recycled.

    Preliminary Analysis
    Others found that pressing the Record and Delete buttons while turning on the camera yields a special diagnostic page. Mine said:

    FW-VERSION: 03.40
    CAMERA ID:
    6B7051xxxxxx
    PCB VER: B2

    FLASH Memory Analysis NEW
    I was able to get my videos out of the camera and onto my home computer by removing the 128MB flash memory chip and putting it into my home-built flash reader. I originally built the system for the PV2 camera -- here's some more info on it. The only modification I had to make was for the increased memory size of the new part. The reader is nothing special -- just a cheaper (and slower) version of comercially available units.

    I've placed my analysis of the camcorder's flash memory on its own page. That page also has sample videos I have recovered from my camera.

    Resources
    The most current discussion that I follow is on the Camera Hacking message board. There is also discussion on Dakota PV2 discussion board.

    contact me: my email address is my first name (john) at my last name (maushammer) dot com.

    Is this legal? Yes.
    Info on the original most recent still disposable digital camera
    other systems I've played with
    visit my homepage

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  8. Max Zoran and Mayday are gonna get ya! by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Zoran Corporation
    COACH
    COACHWare 1.0
    2002:01:13 12:06:00


    Better call in 007 for protection on this one!

  9. Interesting.. by Thomas+DM · · Score: 3, Funny

    This will finally enable you to create your own cheap sextapes, without the chance that some curious CVS employee(s) will see your work..

    1. Re:Interesting.. by jackcarter · · Score: 5, Funny

      This will finally enable you to create your own cheap sextapes, without the chance that some curious CVS employee(s) will see your work..

      And the fact that it only works for 30 seconds is perfect for Slashdot users!

    2. Re:Interesting.. by Thomas+DM · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's 20 minutes - just enough for the foreplay ;)

  10. Re:Oh, the humanity. by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I figured someone would criticize me. You're seeing low-res version for slashdot - sorry, bandwidth trumps aesthetics today. Tomorrow the pretty pictures will go back up.

    Check the file sizes:
    -rw-r--r-- 38000 Jun 24 21:09 PICT0001-info.png
    -rw-r--r-- 13343 Jun 25 12:36 PICT0001-info.jpg
    -rw-r--r-- 10958 Jun 25 12:38 camcorder-icon-full.jpg
    -rw-r--r-- 2334 Jun 25 12:38 camcorder-icon.jpg
    -rw-r----- 4547 Jun 25 13:02 index.html
    -rw-r----- 23960 Jun 25 13:25 flash.html

    My low-res pictures are 13k vs 38k, and 2.3k vs 11k. Overall, loading flash.html is 40k instead of 73k. That means (roughly) 80% more visitors for the same bandwidth!

    I also tried GIF and TIFF - they were pretty close in size to the original PNG.

  11. On Sale in two weeks by Cow4263 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a current CVS employee, I can tell you that these camcorders and their digital camera like brethren are going on sale the week of July 4th. They are going to be 19.99 but you get $10 in "ExtraBucks" back. As the ad flyer says, "Its like paying $9.99".

    The ExtraBucks print from the register 2 days after the qualifiying purchase and although you do need your own ExtraCare card, the information you provide can be as false as possible. ExtraBucks are good on anything in the store excluding tobacco, alcohol and prescriptions.

    1. Re:On Sale in two weeks by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny
      ExtraBucks are good on anything in the store excluding tobacco, alcohol and prescriptions.

      But that doesn't leave anything! Hmmm .. wait, chocolate!

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    2. Re:On Sale in two weeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe, ironically, you can spend Sunday in a bookstore, searching for the definition and good examples of irony.

  12. Good thing this person isn't in high school by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Funny

    He might have gotten charged with a felony.

  13. Light, breakable cameras by Council · · Score: 4, Informative

    A use for hacking disposable cameras: They're disposable. That is, they're cheap enough that if you break them, you haven't lost much. That's useful for this kind of thing:

    http://www.xkcd.com/kite/

    I was so confident of my engineering skill and my insistence on multiple safety measures that I sent my nice, $150 digital camera up the kite line. It worked for a few hours after the 70-foot fall, but hasn't since.

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    1. Re:Light, breakable cameras by Council · · Score: 2, Funny

      I couldn't have said it better three times myself.

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  14. WTF is CVS? by mike.newton · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sure I could Google it, but my point is that I don't know what CVS cameras are, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. An explanatory link like this one would be nice.

    For the rest of us, CVS is a chain of pharmacies, they're selling a small, locked, one-time use digital video camera for $30 and charging $13 to get the data off it and onto DVD.

    1. Re:WTF is CVS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They're for taking CVS snapshots.

  15. Site is slowing... here's a Coral Link by WoTG · · Score: 2, Informative

    Link
    Hmm... I'm really starting to like Coral.

  16. Re:CVS sucks by anubi · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Since you are AC, and I don't feel like I am correcting anyone by name in public, I'd like to comment on something that you typed, but you by far are not an isolated case. This is a paradigm dreamed up by some marketing "think outside the box" type that annoys the hell out of me.

    "In short, most people who shop at CVS are middle-aged nutcase mothers who have nothing better to do than argue with me for 30 minutes on an expired 30 cent coupon she feels she's entitled to use."

    There is another topic currently being discussed on Slashdot regarding Customer Service .

    That lady may have good reason to argue with you over a 30 cent coupon. Apparently CVS has been paying you enough you don't have to worry about every cent. Your customer obviously is having financial problems.

    CVS was apparently willing to give her the benefit of the coupon at one time, why not now? Why is CVS forcing her to prostitute herself to you over thirty cents? Could it be the people who dream up all these games to play with their customers to be so well paid they have no idea that other people may not be so fortunate as to have such a well-paying career?

    Personally, I would not have argued with her so much and gave her the benefit of the coupon, and personally taken it on myself to put it up the chain of how much frustration and anger amongst your customers ( as YOU see the Customer, not THEM!!! ) they are causing by coupon trickery.

    Game Playing by Businesses ranks very high on my pet peeves of dealing with Business... and is also the number one reason I check Wal Mart for anything I need first. Yes, I will plug Wal Mart as they are one of the few businesses that don't make me feel like a nut for shopping there. You know, the old "I'm sorry, Sir, you don't have Our Club Card... the stated price is only for insiders - and you are not one... for you its ten dollars more" kinda shit. In my case, the Club Card was the quickest way to coax me out of their business and into Wal Mart.

    It has been my observation that Club Cards are for businesses who have graduated beyond providing a service or product for their customer base and are now in the business of collecting marketing and demographic data. I do not go to a marketing analysis firm to buy a garden hose or a loaf of bread.

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  17. Re:Size does matter by connorbd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know what I'm thinking... the PureDigital 20-minute film festival. It'd be interesting to see what a good videographer can do with one of those things, and they're a great choice for kids.

  18. LOL! Rants against bloggery are always funny. by CyricZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always find it funny when people post rants about bloggery. Your whole point is that you don't care what others think, you don't think others should care what others think, and yet you post as if you think people to care about what you think.

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  19. Re:Way to go... by anubi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I only state this here on Slashdot, because as a public blogging area, it lets customers like me give one last bit of feedback to many businesses.

    Once they run me out of their stores, they never hear from me again.

    I always hear businesses complain that Wal Mart kills their business. As a former customer of many of those businesses I hear complaining, I only wanted to say why, because I often never go in their stores anymore.

    Example, I haven't been to a Sav-On drugs now in years... and it was a prime place for me at one time - until they got on this Albertson's Preferred Card bandwagon. I walked in there one day, tried to buy some batteries as I picked up a prescription, and noted the price was a buck higher than normal, but if I used the Card, it was back at normal price. Mental Note: Next time I'm in Wal Mart for catfood, check the battery price. Yup. The old price Sav-On used to charge me. Action: Get batteries at WalMart and check prices of prescription medicine at the WalMart pharmacy so if they are the same price it is at Sav-On, then if I move my prescription refills over to Wal-Mart, this will completely eliminate trips to Sav-On to pick up just one item. It was. Done. Sav-On is now completely out of my picture. They are now another non-descript building I pass by on the way to Wal Mart.

    I still get my batteries, and my prescriptions filled.

    And the important highly paid executive of Sav-On got his hand shook by an important Marketing Professional that convinced him of the value of forcing his customers to play unwanted games.

    If Sav-On wants me back, they now have to wait for Sam Walton to screw up and drive away his customer base.

    What it takes to drive a customer away - often forever - may be nothing more than an argument over a 30 cent coupon that expired yesterday.

    What it takes to GET a customer is a completely different story. I can say customers are a lot harder to get than they are to run away, as you have to coax them away from where they are doing business now.

    The companies marketing all this club card and coupon apparatus make it their business to target well-paid corporate executives who are not likely to relate with their customer base, which has nowhere near their level of income. They know how a corporate-level guy is likely to really underestimate the value of his customer base, and consider it just another expendible tool to be used as an economic prybar. They know we want a roll of toilet paper, so they start making us jump through hoops to get it.

    Its my belief that most of the executive types that make these decisions are so high up the corporate ladder that they no longer hear the anguished cry of some poor woman pleading with some sales clerk over a 30 cent coupon.

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