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Innovation Getting Slower?

Daniel Dvorkin writes "A New Scientist article details the claims of Jonathan Huebner, a Naval Air Warfare Center physicist, that the rate of technological innovation is actually decreasing, not increasing exponentially as some people believe. Huebner says that there are now fewer 'important technological developments per billion people' than at any time since the 17th century! I'm far from convinced, but it's an interesting and thought-provoking article." From the article: "He says the rate of technological innovation reached a peak a century ago and has been declining ever since. And like the lookout on the Titanic who spotted the fateful iceberg, Huebner sees the end of innovation looming dead ahead."

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  1. What a wacky measure by cshotton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So who says innovations per billion people is a legitimate measure of the rate? Innovations per year seems to be the only measure that matters. And maybe the rate appears to be slowing because all of the totally common sense innovations have already been done. The stuff that is left requires a huge knowledge base and a large effort on the part of hundreds to achieve. Maybe innovation rates should be correlated to complexity of the innovation. Bet it's increasing if you do it that way. Statistics can always say whatever your thesis needs em to say. Bah!

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    1. Re:What a wacky measure by IanDanforth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I totally agree, whats more is that he doesn't say that overall innovation rates have slowed. We have more world changing innovations a year now than ever before. Its just when you look at a "per population" number that it looks bleak. However, as you point out, who cares about "per population?!" These types of inventions affect everyone, their value isn't diluted the more people they help.

    2. Re:What a wacky measure by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree, in the modern world to move science forward requierd a lot more effort then before - all easy staff already done. Look at the mathematics , there some complex proofs require dozens of steps and efforts of dozens of people. Or physics - math is becomeing so complex for string theory, that no one exactly understand it.

      In my humble opinion, this strongly suggests that the string theory is incorrect.

      I base this opinion on the history of science. Back when Earth was thought to be the center of the Universe, the sometimes-reverse motion of planets on the sky was a bit difficult to explain. It lead to absurdly complex system of nested circular orbits. Then, the Sun-centric system was developed, and it was a slight improvement - but only slight, since planets were still thought to move in circular orbits with constant speed. What finally resolved this issue was the Theory of Gravity - it gave a single formula (F=f*m1*m2/(r*r)) which explained all the observed phenomenon in a single simple equation. Or, more to the point, the elliptical orbits with varying orbital speeds follow naturally from that equation, instead of requiring complex math to understand.

      The same goes for the theory of Relativity - without it, different observers would observe different laws of physics, the most famous example propably being "what do you see if you move at the speed of light ? You see the light standing still, but that's impossible according to Maxwell's equations, so apparently those equations don't hold for all observers". Despite all the complex implications of the ToR, it actually simplified the way one looks at the universe - laws of physics are nonvariant, even if time and space are not.

      Based on this, I conclude that if a theory about the fundamental structure of reality starts getting too complex for anyone to understand, the theory is almost certainly wrong. Or, to put it another way: there is a simpler, more fundamental way of looking at things.

      Compare this with programming. You can make a fundamentally flawed design work somewhat by including tons of workarounds and special case fixes, but it would propably be better to scrap the crap and seek for an algorithm that is intrinsically correct.

      It seems that the processing power of human brain becoming limiting factor in the modern science, and science is the source of all innovation. So as soon as the human brain considerably augmented, be it a brain-computer interface, smart drugs or something else the rate of innovations will climb again.

      Or it could be that people have gotten used to throwing more computer power to the problem, and therefore has less motivation to search for better algorithms. If this is true, then augmenting brain with computers would increase the problem, not decrease it.

      After all, the development of both math and technology is mostly a way of reducing the effort required to do something - searching for better algorithms.

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  2. Could be by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But WHY is a different question. Maybe we're just dreaming about harder stuff. Nanotechnology, space elevators, quantum computing, and curing cancer through understanding of genetics might just be a *wee bit* harder than figuring out the thermodynamics of a new steam engine design.

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  3. Not a big surprise there... by Black+Art · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I blame patents.

    Patents pretty much hobble innovation. They work when you have a relatively small population base, but not when the population is in the billions. (And not when patents keep getting extended to longer and longer periods of time.)

    During the 1800s there were no improvements to the pistol for about 20 years due to patent restrictions. Patents are supposed to promote science and industry, but often have the opposite effect.

    There is a large amount of huberis involved with the patent process that says "no one is as smart as me, so anyone who has a similar idea to mine must be stealing it". The problem is that when you have large numbers of people working on the same problems, you are going to encounter the same solutions over and over again.

    If we continue to have a "first one to patent wins" on a global scale, we will have crippled ourselves to the fastest filers, not the fastest thinkers.

    We no longer stand on the shoulers of giants because we are crippled by midgets.

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  4. Critical Flaws by RobertF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Though it's interesting, this guy has some serious flaws in his thinking. First off, measuring innovation per billions of people isn't very reliable, as a population can rapidly increase or decrease and this doesn't take into account the education level of the population. The list of innovations he plotted is also debateable. I consider the development of Javascript a major innovation, but is that on the list? Think about the thousands and thousands software and hardware innovation that have been made. I don't think it's because they're "insignificant". If it may appear as though there are fewer innovations, that may be because you're looking in the wrong place. Many, many innovations are taking place as we speak, it's just highly specialized. This guy is saying that we'll pretty soon invent everything and be done. This reminds me of a quote by the head of the USPO back in the turn of the century (wish I could find a link). He said that everything that could possibly be invented has been invented. This is obviously way, way off target. Huebner is on the same train of thought.

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  5. politik! by orlando24 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately the modern beauracracy and political structure just doesn't value innovation. Patents, grants and research facilities are becoming harder and harder to access. On top of that, multinational corporations are pushing the little guy and his innovative ideas out of the market, so that the only innovation that remains is profit-driven and commercial, which more often than not locks us into the age old cycle of repainting the tiger's stripes and selling him as a new animal because anything too radically new 'wouldn't grab the market'. And government institutions are consistently failing to innovate because their focus is not development, but rather generation of jobs = votes, and any new innovations might risk public sector jobs (NASA, anyone??)

    All the great innovations of the past took enormous risks, and sometimes they failed. It's great to see some private companies with the financial backing there taking those risks (Armadillo Aerospace, Scaled Composites...etc) but it's a pity that government makes it so difficult.

    Who knows how many brilliant innovations have gone unnoticed because the inventor didn't have the money to run R&D privately and couldn't be bothered with the government red tape...I think that we should be encouraging private innovation because you never know where the Next Big Thing is going to come from!

  6. We are a society that is scared... by jzarling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have acheived a level of comfort that people are happy with, and more convienience is now seen as extravagance.

    The big innovations, the ones that change our culture fundamentally are going to come at a cost that most people are afraid to pay. Namely religous beliefs.

    Stem Cells, Cloning, Space Exploration, Quantam Computing, all these courses of study have the ability to alter views on creation itself.

    And most people are not willing to pay that price.

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  7. Yay for Truth! by zeroweb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like this guy! From a larger viewpoint, I have always thought that we are not progressing faster than prior generations. Electricity, Lightbulb, Radio, Car, Plane, (the list goes on)...These are MAJOR innovations compared with the relatively minor ones of a P4 processor, the iPod, etc...Think of things in categories. Everything that is new these days is are minor extensions of the old (the computer, or the transmission of data over some kind of wire...) I vote that things are stale and getting staler. However, this view need not carry negative connotations (except maybe for a /. crowd)...After all, don't we have enough already?

  8. $16 billion spent on Erectile Dysfunction research by Ponzu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt the US is spending even close to that on alternative energy research. Not to diminish the problems of those with erectile dysfunction but a cure for cancer or free energy would probably do a lot more people a lot more good for the money.

    The problem is a large proportion of research energy is focused on what will return the most in the marketplace instead of what will return the most to mankind. People lose sight of the big picture in their sprint to make the most money they can and people suffer because of it.

    There has to be a balance between altruism and greed and we aren't anywhere close to the middle right now.

  9. Re:USPTO by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moderate parent insightful.

    The purpose of a patent is to give an inventor a safe period of time in which to economically exploit their invention. In the past, if you wanted to avoid the lawyers, you didn't have to go far. Hollywood was started by people who didn't want to pay the royalties for film produciton equipment, so they just moved across the country. Today it is much harder to steal technology to make new things.

    Whether this is a good or a bad thing could be the subject of an entire discussion, but the parent demonstrates more insight than humor in pointing at the USPTO.

  10. Re:I Blame regulators by log0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree. Innovation is getting slower not because people are getting dumber but because deviation from red tape results in prosecution or censure.

  11. Re:Diminishing Returns by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Insightful
    the more we discover, the harder it is to discover more.

    Not necessarily. This kind of thinking assumes that there is a fixed pool of things just waiting to be discovered, and it is getting closer to being exhausted. I believe quite the contrary; there's a nice quote by someone I forgot, that "the greater the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder". For example, the invention of the transistor opened up possibilities for a whole industry of new inventions.

    As a scientist, I believe there will always be new discoveries in science, that the supposed pool of knowledge is infinite. Therefore there's an infinity of possibilities for practical inventions as well, especially when we consider that the science in a certain field usually precedes engineering.

    In fact, I think the rate of innovation is getting higher, but there's so much of it going on that it's impossible to pinpoint single, major inventions like it was a hundred years ago. Also, many significant inventions are results of many people with many smaller inventions working together, such as the Internet. In those cases it's hard to pin down even what the invention actually is.

    Inventions and discoveries are becoming an increasingly important part of our lives, since we are past the struggles of basic survival. Thus it's naturally less noticeable.

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  12. Re:You are closer than realize by menkhaura · · Score: 4, Insightful

    America (and other countries) almost need a revolution.

    Almost, you say? With all this ridiculous patent crap, intellectual property, citizens suing each other or big corps for the slightest mistake, or trying to forsake all the responsibility for bad things that happen to them (McDonalds suers? Tobbaco Co. suers?) At least people still have freedom of speech, but how long will that last? How long till they sue you because some dipshit patented the metaphor you are using, or your accent (patent number 131313: Method for expressing irony using certain combinations of words), or some other such irrelevant thing? Damnit, they are patenting clicks these days! When will the people rebel? When it is too friggin late?

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  13. Re:I Blame regulators by hoxford · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, those are perfect examples. Pushing boundaries implies and *requires* risk that unpleasant things might happen as a result. If you try to make everything completely safe and prevent any mistakes nothing innovative will ever happen. Bureaucracies don't innovate. Committees don't innovate.

    In each of those examples the good far outweighed the bad. It's a shame that Curie and Cook had to make those sacrifices. But just like many other explorers and boundary-pushers they contributed huge amounts to humanity. And at the time, Bell's monopoly probably did far more good for the communications infrastructure in this country than it did harm.