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BBC Offers Beethoven Symphonies for Download

Simon80 writes "BBC Radio 3 is making performances by the BBC Philharmonic of Beethoven's 6th to 9th symphonies available for free download for the next few days only, as the second part of a trial to 'test listeners appetite for downloads'. During the first part, the first 5 symphonies were offered, and over 650,000 people downloaded them."

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  1. That is AWESOME! by interactive_civilian · · Score: 4, Informative
    Luckily, they have not yet been /.ed, so I'm downloading now.

    Does anyone have links to the first 5 (if it is even still legal to download them from anywhere)?

    Anyway, this sort of thing is very cool. I have not listened to much Beethoven (aside from bits and peices in movies and such), so something like this is an excellent opportunity. If anyone knows any places to legally download performances of other classics, please post them.

    I love getting free, good music from the internet. The Internet Achive's Audio section is my very good friend, as is LegalTorrents. Granted, that is completely different music from this, but still it is awesome to be able to enjoy music being made by people who love making music more than making money.

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  2. A warning to audiophiles by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 3, Informative

    The mp3s are CBR 128kbps. Ugh. When will people learn to use ABR instead of CBR? You wind up with fractionally larger files that sound MUCH better!

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    1. Re:A warning to audiophiles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Difference: As most people know, CBR uses a constant bitrate over the whole file (e.g. 128kbits/s).

      VBR works with a constant QUALITY (or badness) setting and tries to guarantee that the quality won't degrade below a certain level by letting the bitrate float up and down as necessary. The advantage is that the bitrate is perfectly used up and does not waste precious bits on plain parts (e.g. silence) of a piece of music.
      The problem is that there is no real scale for quality so arbitrary numbers get assigned (for the ogg-encoder 1-10). This let's people struggle over determining which quality is ``good enough''.
      Another problem is that the target size of the file is not predictable. Usually it falls within certain limits but if the encoder struggles with a complex piece of music, the output file size can deviate considerably.

      ABR is a compromise between the two, It let's the bitrate float but guarantees a specified AVERAGE bitrate. Thus it is more efficient than CBR (although not as efficient as VBR because it has to establish somewhat tighter control and has to let the quality drop if it threatens to exceed the average too much) but also predictable in the size of the resulting file, though not as precisely as CBR (though the deviation is very very slim in most cases). In almost all cases ABR is preferable to CBR if VBR isn't an option.

  3. Re:I've always wondered why there isn't more of th by cperciva · · Score: 5, Informative

    aren't there any "free classical performers" out there?

    Yes. The problem is, they're not very good. Unlike popular music, where someone can start to learn guitar and become a world-famous "musician" a few years later (in some cases, this order is reversed), a good quality symphony orchestra contains 50 or more musicians, rarely with less than fifteen years of experience.

    As a general rule, if you're a professional classical musician, you can't afford to give away your work for free -- not to mention the costs of renting a recording studio which can fit an entire symphony orchestra. If you're an amateur classical musician (defined as "has a full time job which isn't music"), then unless you're really exceptional, you're not good enough to make recordings which people will want to listen to.

  4. Re:Hmmm by Mrs.+Grundy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well it may be triumphal, but it isn't mindless triumphalism in that sort of jingoistic way you imply. Rather is is a deep expression of joy and solidarity among your fellow human beings. With out a little work you will probably miss the point of any music which falls outside the musical vernacular within which you were raised. I would suggest spending a little time with the middle piano sonatas and concertos and move on from there. Beethoven did write some mind-blowingly profound music such as the late string quartets, but you need to be able to listen from a different point of view than you generally get by default in this culture.

    Here is the text of the Schiller poem used in the last movement--I think flag waving is a stretch:

    Joy!
    Joy, beautiful spark of God,
    Daughter of Elysium,
    We enter, fire-drunk,
    Heavenly, your shrine.
    Your magic reunites
    That which custom has strongly split;
    All humans will become brothers
    [Schiller's original:
    What custom's sword has parted;
    Beggars become princes' brothers]
    Where your soft wing whiles.
    Whoever has succeeded in the great attempt
    To be a friend of a friend;
    Whoever has achieved a lovely wife
    Mix in your joy!
    Yes, also whoever only one soul
    Calls his own around the world!
    And whoever has never known of this,
    Steal away crying out of this group!
    All beings drink joy
    At the breasts of nature;
    All the good, all the bad
    Follow her trail of roses.
    She gave us kisses and vines,
    A friend, proven in death;
    Great pleasure was given to the worm,
    And the cherub stands before God.
    Glad, like his sun flies
    Through heaven's splendid plan,
    Run, brothers, your race,
    Joyful, like a hero to the victory.
    Be embraced, millions!
    This kiss to all the world!
    Brothers, over the starry firmament
    Must live a loving father.
    Do you bow down, millions?
    Do you sense the Creator, world?
    Seek him beyond the starry firmament!
    He must dwell beyond the stars.

  5. Re:Classic n00b question... by Wieland · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well no. Sonata != Symphony.

    Symphonies are orchestral works. The Moonlight Sonata (Mondschein, as it's called in German), (no. 14, opus 27 no 2 in C sharp minor) is a solo piece written for a piano. Check wikipedia for a detailed discussion of symphonies and sonatas.

  6. Re:I've always wondered why there isn't more of th by phr1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    See for example Magnatune, which has tons of good classical recordings including some from world renowned performers, all under Creative Commons licenses. Granted they are mostly solo and small chamber performances, rather than full scale orchestral works. However, there are certainly professional classical performers willing and able to release stuff under CC. Note also that the BBC downloads are just a 7-day license and you're not allowed to share the files after downloading. It's not much better than a one-time radio broadcast that you can tape off the air.

  7. Re:Hmmm by RWerp · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not like you were the only one to grow up. Beethoven did it, too. Did you ever listen to Beethoven's late string quartets? They're legendary and noone in their right mind could call them "pompous", "whiny" or "annoying".

    Besides, Mahler is also a bit pompous (but I like his music).

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  8. Re:Earlier Performances? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Informative

    Heres something I found (either on slash itself, or from boingboing)

    http://www.commontunes.org/beethovenssymphonies

    its the 1st 5 as grabbed from the bbc

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  9. Re:Aside: Heritage of CDs by Mwongozi · · Score: 5, Informative

    In fact the length of an audio CD is related to the length of a video tape.

    The sampling rate of 44.1 kHz is inherited from a method of converting digital audio into an analog video signal for storage on video tape, which was the most affordable way to store it at the time the CD specification was being developed. A device that turns an analog audio signal into PCM audio, which in turn is changed into an analog video signal is called a PCM adaptor. This technology could store 6 samples (3 samples per each stereo channel) in a single horizontal line. A standard NTSC video signal has 245 usable lines per field, and 59.94 fields a second, which works out at 44,056 samples/second. Similarly PAL has 294 lines and 50 fields, which gives 44,100 samples/second. This system could either store 14-bit samples with some error correction, or 16-bit samples with almost no error correction. There was a long debate over whether to use 14 or 16 bit samples and/or 44.056 k or 44.1 k samples/s when the Sony/Philips taskforce designed the compact disc; 16 bits and 44.1 k samples/s prevailed. The Sony PCM-1610 and PCM-1630 are well-known examples of PCM-adaptors used in conjunction with the Sony U-Matic VCR.

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  10. Re:Earlier Performances? by drauh · · Score: 5, Informative
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    This is a tautology.
  11. Not easy to be 1st Chair Violinist... by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    The 1st Chair Violinist has a great deal of responsibility over and above being a hot violin soloist. S/He is usually the assistant conductor of the orchestra. S/He is the person who puts the orchestra through its rehearsals. S/He makes sure everyone has the right sheet music. S/He is basically the "second-in-command" of the orchestra.

    All that, and they have to be a hot violin soloist too. It's really quite a set of responsibilities. No shit they get paid well.

    Unfortunately the percussionists in the orchestra are the ones at the bottom of the totem pole. This was a fact of life that was quite depressing for my husband, who's a percussionist and was a member of the New Jersey Percussion Ensemble in the early part of the 1970s. Instead of classical, he took his chances on rock. ;-)

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    1. Re:Not easy to be 1st Chair Violinist... by HuguesT · · Score: 4, Informative
      The parent didn't say first chair violonist, he said first violonist, i.e. any of the 20-30 or so violonists who play the first violin part in any orchestral work.

      Rest assured that the first chair violonist from one of the major orchestra in the world makes a whole lot more than this, and this is just the salary. Then there are guest works here and there, lessons, whatever.

      from this link


      Actually, the salary in major orchestras is quite high. The starting salary in San Francisco for example is $99,000 a year. In most of the major symphony orchestra, the starting salary is between about 90,000-95,000 to I think 115,000 for the Metropolitan Orchestra. The salary info is available through AFM, possibly even on their website. These salaries are for section jobs.