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Who Wants a 3D Scanner, Anyway?

splineboy asks: "In June 2002 a sun-starved computer engineer walked into a small room armed with an old PC, a 20 year-old video camera, some lasers, glass rods and an awful lot of duct tape. His mission was to create a program capable of converting a real world object into a computer model that could be manipulated, stored and eventually reproduced using stereolithography. After several hours of gluing, taping and generally walloping things with a hammer, Project Splinescan was born. Originally running on a batterd old machine (AMD-500), the prototype scanner proved the concept of low cost 3D scanning with a few rough scans. Now that a stable, multi-platform 3D scanning solution is on the horizon (even high school kids are building their own) - a question rings clear through the ether: 'OK, you proved you can make it work, but what's it good for?'" "What are the potential uses of a portable, low cost 3D scanner? Medical? Animation? Special Effects? Archeology? Ceramics? Lego Modelling? I've got my ideas about why 3D scanning seems to be getting so popular, but how would you like to see these projects developed in the future?"

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  1. The rest of the story... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny


    Unfortunately, soon after his triumph, his most brilliant computer game designs were stolen by one of his company's executives, who passed them off as his own. After breaking into the corporate building and hacking into the computer network to attempt to locate evidence of the theft, he mysteriously vanished, and was not heard from for some time. Eventually, he resurfaced, spouting wild tales about 'talking to programs' and 'surviving the game grid', but bearing concrete evidence of the executive's misdeeds. The prevailing explanation for his bizzare behavior is chronic drug abuse. Whatever the reason, he persists in such delusional beliefs to this day.

    Find out more about his tragic story in this compelling and informative docudrama.

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  2. Hey.. by Kanpai · · Score: 1

    Why does the blurb say the original computer was an AMD when the article was a P3? Doesn't seem like an easy mistake...

    1. Re:Hey.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because this is /., where AMD == good, and Intel == bad.

    2. Re:Hey.. by splineboy · · Score: 1

      actually, it's because it's /. and it's late, it was infact a K6, but I haven't corrected the website yet

  3. blueprints by PapaZit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quantapoint uses a similar (but much more developed) system to generate blueprint for buildings.

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  4. medical stuff by topgan1 · · Score: 1

    maybe you can reproduce a stantart human bone by 3d scan it and then "print" it in a rapid prototyping machine (3d printer) so it can be used/attached to someone who lost his original bone :)

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    1. Re:medical stuff by FLAGGR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, wtf? Where are you going to buy a bone marrow milk cartridge? I think scanning the bone is the smallest technological feat in your scenario.

    2. Re:medical stuff by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      er take the word milk out of there. I was thinking of a printer that squirted milk that solidified into bones when I was typing that. See what you did to me?

    3. Re:medical stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does it have to be made out of bone? We've been implanting metal and plastic things like artificial joints for years.

    4. Re:medical stuff by FLEB · · Score: 1

      At home?

      If you're in a hospital capable of the implant, you're probably going to have better methods of 3D scanning and reproduction. That said, you'd have to take the original bone out, scan it, and then put in the replacement, assuming the bone isn't broken as to be unscannable. If you're just talking about a "standardized" bone, a more suitable bone could be created by a doctor/engineer in CAD.

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    5. Re:medical stuff by Valcoramizer · · Score: 1

      Just one question... How do you scan a bone if you LOST it? I don't think someone else's bone would fit quite as nicely.

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    6. Re:medical stuff by Phantombantam · · Score: 1

      I am so gonna break my arm beyond belief, and gonna make a wicked sweet bone in brl-cad. Think pointy, Think fins a la batman suit. This is gonna be sweet.

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    7. Re:medical stuff by topgan1 · · Score: 1

      see kris_lang's answer-> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154949&cid=129 93611 If you broke your right arm bone, you can scan your left and maybe inverse the image, CAD it a little and then hit "print".

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    8. Re:medical stuff by cecille · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it's not like you're looking to replace the bone - most prosthetics / joint replacements etc. are artificial. For the doctors, the hard part is sizing, where 3d scanning probably won't be too helpful until we can generate internal scans. For the engineers who develop the actual parts though, 3D scanning is fairly common to use as a modeling tool not just for the development of the prosthetics but also in the development of surgical techniques and tools to repair the bone or actually implant the thing.

      Last summer I spent some time working with a friend of mine on his phd research. I didn't get much involved in the actual research part, but he needed some help writing some script programs to do the more tedious analysis, and of course, took the opportunity to run though some of his conference presentations with me, just for kicks. The part of the project I was helping with actually DID use 3D scans of human shoulder samples.

      The 3D scans were pulled into a program called Imageware as point clouds. (Imageware an SDRC program - like IDEAS, but for analysis of models rather than creation of models...backwards IDEAS). Part of the analysis I was helping with looked at rate of change of curvature of the bone samples with and without cartilage attached. Basically it helps to model a "standard" joint to develop a artificial joints. The cartilage vs. no cartilage pictures helps out on one of the major areas of his research, which is the analysis of cartilage thickness and placement. Really helpful if you're looking to graft a sample from somewhere else. Cartilage is one of those nasty things that doesn't repair itself too well, so if you screw up your shoulder or get some damage in an area where it's probably a good idea to have a bunch of cartilage, you have to know where to transplant from. Enter the 3D model. Not only that, but a good model allows you to check out new surgical techniques for actually performing the surgery.

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    9. Re:medical stuff by BSDFreak · · Score: 1

      > Just one question... How do you scan a bone if you LOST it? I don't think someone else's bone would fit quite as nicely.

      Maybe if you'd keep them in your skin where they belong, you wouldn't lose them so often.

  5. Why? by FunkyRat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Custom tailored clothes ordered online.

    Combined with some NCR cutting equipment the cost could be brought down quite low.

    1. Re:Why? by mvdw · · Score: 4, Funny
      Ahhh, yes, I can see it now:

      "Just remove all your clothes, and step in front of the, errm, laser scanner, madam - it will take your pict- I mean, measurements, so we can have a perfect model of you..."

    2. Re:Why? by bursch-X · · Score: 0

      "Yes madam, we are almost done, now to get a better measure, would you please lift your right leg a bit and touch your pus.. va.. crotch, yes, crotch, and spread your fingers like this yes, yes, exactly, yeesss, yeeeeeessssssssss!"

      "Thank you.. we ... now ... have your... data."

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  6. art by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 3, Interesting

    whenever I see this sort of thing, or rapid prototyping machines, all I can think of is that I'd like to get my hands on it for making sculpture.

    I'm not even sure how I would USE it to sculpt, what kind of work I would do... I just know I'd find some way.

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  7. Film Industry by Zimok · · Score: 4, Informative

    LOTR used this technique alot, to scan molds of armor and the orcs used in CG art.. ect

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  8. Aside from just game modeling... by Xaroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who works (more or less) within the hearing aid industry, I can tell you right now that 3D scanners are the Next Big Thing (tm) in custom medical products.

    The ability to take a mold for any sort of custom prostethic - be it an ear mold, arch support, or whatever - and then transmit that mold electronically rather than having to physically mail it is tremendous. I mean, shipping companies won't appreciate losing all that business, but any healthcare professional that has to deal with mailing dozens of custom molds a week will be overjoyed at the ability to send those scans around for free at any time of the day, and be able to trim another 2-3 days off the custom prothesis creation timeline.

    I mean, aside from the obvious speed gains that could be had for 3D modeling for movies and games.

    1. Re:Aside from just game modeling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      looks like the biotech boom isn't about to plateau anytime soon. With the advent of such cost effective prosthesis solutions, a smart investor would follow this line of research and maybey look for companies developing the the tech to get baught up in the near future.

      *crosses fingers* GO MATRICAL!

  9. The leader will be by JustOK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    porn. Of course.

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  10. Orthodonture by Jherico · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I worked at a company where 3D imaging of plaster models of teeth was a critical component to the business model. Scan teeth into computer, rearrange teeth, produce output for devices that move teeth into new positions like braces.

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  11. Dude. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Strippers.

    strippers/pornstars will make billions selling their bodyscans to be reproduced in the privacy of your home.

  12. Game content by ubrkl · · Score: 1

    I'm playing Animal Crossing on the Gamecube at the moment, and there's a TON of low-res models, all of which had to be hand made.

    Any game where you need lots of real-world content (eg. The Sims) would benefit from being able to create lots of varied stuff quickly and cheaply.

  13. 2 words: Miniatures Wargaming by ArmorFiend · · Score: 2, Interesting

    3d scanning and printing will make Miniatures Wargaming a much more active hobby. Imagine, instead of waiting for Games Workshop to sell you some incredibly overpriced Space Marine, you can just copy your buddy's. Have a cool "kitbash" (homemade modification)? Publish it and let others download it. This is why I see the current business model for Games Workshop and all the other minitures companies radically changing by 2015. It will become a much more fan-centric hobby.

    1. Re:2 words: Miniatures Wargaming by abxpacketloss · · Score: 1

      Great, then everything will come with a EULA... Case in point... http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/23/22 18259&tid=155&tid=133/

    2. Re:2 words: Miniatures Wargaming by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      Hm, except fans can create decent minis on their own. I bet I know 6 people who could turn out a decent Paneuropean Jaeger Heavy Tank or a USS Iowa.

      Also, all that stuff up till now, didn't come with a EULA because the companies didn't follow computer graphics. Heh.

  14. WHat it will be used for: by Noodlenose · · Score: 3, Funny

    Aim Penis size bragging: "You wanna see the scan of my wang, baby?" D

  15. Different input inherently effects things by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    The guitar is popular with mucians even though there are more advanced technologies available.

    A different input helps the creatuve process.

    This isn't to say 3d Raytracing is obselete obviously. But this allows a differtn way of doing things.

    1. Re:Different input inherently effects things by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      What guitar replacing advanced technologies do you speak of? The only thing I can think of is the electric guitar (no more expensive resonance construction, let the amp do it!) and that seems to have enjoyed extreme success.

    2. Re:Different input inherently effects things by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

      I mean, if you compare the potential of the music software and keyboard combo to the guitar (electric or whatever), we wonder why the guitar is more popular.

      Yes, there's the popularity of it but the point I'm making is that sometimes it's not the best technology that inspires most.

      Possibly not the best analogy. Just trying to say that by changing the input technology you change your way of seeing things.

    3. Re:Different input inherently effects things by tssiap_wmuc · · Score: 0

      nothing quite like the real thing i say.

  16. a bad subset of this? by AussieVamp2 · · Score: 1

    In the case of toys.

    The world could be overrun with scanned smurfs!

    1. Re:a bad subset of this? by ArmorFiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point.

      But toys actually do things and have moving parts.

      Miniatures just sit there and look inert.

      I shake my heads at my friends who are into minis for "the realism". What's so realistic about a little statue, when, say, Warcraft 3 has animated whipper-snappers running around and yelling things, dynamic eyepoint, deformable geometry, etc?

  17. Shadow scanning by ggambett · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's an even easier and simpler alternative that doesn't even use lasers... nothing but a lamp and a ruler! http://www.vision.caltech.edu/bouguetj/ICCV98/

    The results are remarkably good for such a simple setup.

    1. Re:Shadow scanning by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Yes. I see just one SERIOUS problem with this solution:


      Patent pending. Exclusive rights to commercialize this technology have been acquired by Geometrix, Inc.
      For academic use of this technology, please contact Dr. Pietro Perona or Rich Wolf.
      For commercial inquiries, please visit www.geometrix.com, or email to info@geometrix.com


      What good is an algorithm for, if you're not allowed to use it?

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    2. Re:Shadow scanning by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Judging by the number of open source reimplementations listed further down the page, Dr Perona and Mr Wolf would appear to be reasonable people.

    3. Re:Shadow scanning by sporktoast · · Score: 1


      I'm sorry, but I can't take anyone who still uses the <BLINK> tag seriously.

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    4. Re:Shadow scanning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but I can't take anyone who ever used the blink tag seriously.

    5. Re:Shadow scanning by Vo0k · · Score: 1

      Yes, I always use style="text-decoration: blink;" instead!

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    6. Re:Shadow scanning by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Hey, it was 1999. Blink tags may have still been in style back then.

    7. Re:Shadow scanning by clockmaker · · Score: 1

      Don't forget hand-drawn holograms, as described by Bill Beaty!

  18. CRM - That's Cutural Resource Management by Danious · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Archaeologists, Paleoentologists, Museum Curators, Art Historians: anybody working with valuable but fragile artifacts that many people want to study but are afraid to handle. Scan them in, 'paint' them with a texture, then post them in a virtual museum.

    Artists could be interested in exactly the same application.

    John.

  19. Reliefs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://sharpfang.deviantart.com/

    It would be helluva easier to make these with such a scanner.

  20. Obligatory Simpsons' Quote by NewStarRising · · Score: 1

    "Who would want a pill that makes you blind?"

    "That's Marketings' problem"

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  21. Manufacturing by mindaktiviti · · Score: 1

    Manufacturing is getting pretty automated, however there's still plenty of room for more automation, such as the design.

    Say you want to manufacture a plastic or metal non-mechanical part. If you could scan it very accurately, and then have that object's dimensions and characteristics imported into a CAD program, you can then use the CAM side (Computer Aided Manufacturing) to generate code that can run in a machine.

    The implementation of this is most important, and of course your scanner would have to be extremely accurate for this to work (i.e. 0.001+- thousandth tolerance? Not sure)

  22. take the bone out? by kris_lang · · Score: 1

    No need to take the bone out, that's what we have CAT (computerized axial tomography) and MRI (nuclear magnetic resonance imaging) for: to take pictures of our insides without having to cut us open. Seriously, there are places that already do this and a few patents on the topic of automatically or robotically creating or custom milling a prosthesis specifically for one person's hip socket or replacing part of a pelvis or part of the zygoma after tragic accidents.

    Digital acquisition of MRI is capable of 512x512 pixels over 25 cm (~ 10 inches) or 1024x1024 pixels over the same area so the voxel sizes are below half-a-millimeter, which is pretty decent resolution for 3-d milling.

    Creating an artifical femoral-head to fit into the patients hip-socket makes sure that there won't be any wierd gaps, and does not require cutting the pt open first. Just scan them.

  23. "on the horizon.." ?!?!? by sakusha · · Score: 1

    OK, you realize that there are serious 3D scanners that have been on the market for many years? Products like the Cyberware Scanners are in the industry standard, used by major film studios and CG effects companies, engineers, game programmers, etc. They produce platform-independent datasets like VRML, DXF, IGES, etc etc. They use lasers to scan the surface of an object, since video has insufficient resolution to produce accurate 3D surface models (which should be obvious from looking at the crappy models from Project Splinescan).
    So.. just what was the point of inventing an cheap but inferior technology that can never produce detailed, accurate models?

  24. 3D Photocopy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Think of the possibilities of photocopying in 3D! Not duplication or replication, but copying the outside of an object such as a... well... something with nothing important on the inside. But it would be cool.

  25. Re:"on the horizon.." ?!?!? by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

    OK you realise that serious steel has been on the market for many years? Products like Pittsburg steel are used by the major iron works, ship builders etc. They produce highly specialised steel to various standards. They use large expensive mills to produce accurate sttel, since mini mills have insufficent controls to proudce accurate steel.

    OK you realise that serious cameras has been on the market for many years? Products like kodak are used by the major newspapers, magazines etc. They produce high quality photographs to various standards. They use large expensive film to produce accurate photographs, since digital cameras have insufficent resolution to proudce accurate photographs.

    But never mind, you probably still hand weave.

  26. 2 words: Miniatures Wargaming-3D P2P. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hm, except fans can create decent minis on their own. "

    Unfortunately human nature being what it is. The only thing that'll happen is the same thing that happened to movies, music, games, and books.

  27. Little bit of a tangent here... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

    From the Geometrix website: If you want better than a 1 in 10 chance that the way you did your hair any given morning will lock you out of whatever you're protecting biometrically you have to be willing to live with something like 1 in 1000 people being mis-identified as you.

    I've seen a lot of facial recognition technologies. This is the best one I've seen, and it sucks.

    The state of Connecticut just bought some of this shit (yes, the swear is appropriate in this case) to verify your identity when you go to get a state issued ID card. There are millions of people in Connecticut. That means once they get everybody in the database it's likely that there will be about a thousand or so names that come up on the screen when you get scanned. Just imagine what will happen when they start running crime scene survailance photos through, or when the person stealing your identity is doing it with a valid, state issued card. This technology is dangerous in it's current form.

  28. it can be used in spaceships by Mariani · · Score: 1

    Spare parts could be scanned in and stored in an on-board computer. When they are needed a 3D printer can print them. Saves a huge amount of space and weight.

    1. Re:it can be used in spaceships by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    2. Re:it can be used in spaceships by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um? Weight? Please explain this revolutionary technology that breaks fundamental physical laws.

    3. Re:it can be used in spaceships by stupid_is · · Score: 1
      it may not save as much as you'd think. Yes you'd save on having to have 2 spare of everything (or whatever), but you'd still need to cart around some raw materials for the 3D printer (and if it's built by HP, be prepared to fork out loads for a refill!!)

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  29. Ultra accurate representations of genetalia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you know, for dildos modeled after porn stars and things like that

  30. URL by phorm · · Score: 1

    Do you have some references on that? sounds like a cool article.