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DVD-Audio's CPPM Circumvented

Bodysurf writes "After DVD-Video's CSS encryption was broken in 1999, the music industry chose a much more secure copy-protection method for DVD-Audio called Copy Protection for PreRecorded Media (CPPM). This protection scheme has remained publicly uncracked, but it was circumvented recently, providing the ability to save the unencrypted digital audio data. CDFreaks has the details."

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  1. And no one is shocked by Approaching.sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We deserve our free use.

    And we will take it by any and all means.

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    1. Re:And no one is shocked by jdray · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm starting to wonder why anyone even bothers anymore. I'm not sure I agree that "we" (the world?) deserves free use of media content, but I think fair use would be ... fair.

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    2. Re:And no one is shocked by redheaded_stepchild · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think I'd rather wait for them to figure it out. It's not like I can't find plenty of other *gasp* decent artists to listen to without RIAA's hands in it.

      I know it gets thrown around in here a lot, but if you really wanted to piss them off and make them think about what they are doing, STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP. But more than that, don't download it either. Embargo them on all fronts. Watch them adapt or die. Too bad I'll never see this happen, what with the majority of my country (and apparently the world) being led around by the short and danglies by the RIAA. Like bands don't exist unless they have massive media hype, a video on MTV, and a shamelessly promoted 'world tour'.

      Makes me want to start my own music distribution just to show it can be done without the RIAA.

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    3. Re:And no one is shocked by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Or do you hate our freedoms?

      As the old saw goes, your freedom ends the second your fist touches my nose. Fair use is one thing, stealing from the people who create and make the things you would enjoy is something else entirely...

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    4. Re:And no one is shocked by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not required to deal with the RIAA or the artists they "represent".

      That's actually the best response anyone can make. As long as corporations perceive that people are stealing from them, they're going to defend their property with everything they have.

      Let people turn away to legal alternatives and new models, however, and they have no alternatives. Then they either change or die.

      Otherwise, the arms race will continue...

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    5. Re:And no one is shocked by Rick.C · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Makes me want to start my own music distribution just to show it can be done without the RIAA.

      The RIAA would be at your door within hours:

      "Say, dat's a nice group you got dere. It'd be a shame if somethin' happened to it...

      "We got dis RIAA contract we'd like you to sign... umm, sign right here. Yeah, it's a real luxury havin' a drummer with two good arms, you know... real luxury..."

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    6. Re:And no one is shocked by Armchair+Dissident · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like bands don't exist unless they have massive media hype, a video on MTV, and a shamelessly promoted 'world tour'.

      'The Buggles' said it best:

      "Video killed the radio star."

      It's hard to find good music these days by listening to the radio, because they're just playing the tracks that look good on television. Flashy women or six-packed men appeal to the audience that the MTV or HMV bosses can make money from; but they can't play well, and they can't sing well. Hell, even Robbie Williams is a second rate singer, both as part of "Take That" and as a solo singer.

      "You can't see tits on the radio", but that won't stop people buying Kylie Minogue, or whoever is the latest fashion in pop, because that's what it is: Music is fashion. Gucci, Niki, et al make a fortune selling tat, but they make money because they're "fashionable".

      French Connection get away with selling - in the UK - t-shirts saying "FCUK - you" to 10 year old kids, because it's fashionable.

      No one cares about music, no one even cares what ten year old kids have plastered to their chests, so long as it's fashionable.

      How do you stop it being fashionable? That is the question. A few thousand people not buying the 'Crazy Frog' single won't make one iota of difference so long as it remains fashionable. Stop the RIAA, and the BPA's records, and their stars being fashionable, and perhaps you have a chance.

      But how do you do that?

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    7. Re:And no one is shocked by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with that is that any such action would be 'imagineered' by the RIAA as "proof" that filesharing is destroying their business, and their tools in congress would have that much more ammunition to pass ridiculous legislation.

      Let's be honest: most of the stuff on MTV is crap, no? So is most of the indie stuff that's NOT pimped by the RIAA. So I listen to the radio, and when I hear something I like, I tape it (legally accepted fair use). Then I turn THAT tape into an mp3. I can go in with an editor, clip it, clean out the hiss or anything I don't like.

      Screw the RIAA and their cronies. But the simple (simplistic?) view that economic pressure is going to correct their behavior only works if the market is actually free, which it is far from being.

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    8. Re:And no one is shocked by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, your average HS/college teenager with 50,000 mp3s is going to buy them all (at 1$ a pop, 50,000$?). Be serious. Would they buy a tenth? Not a chance. A hundredth? Doubtful. A thousandth? Perhaps. Of course, that's not factoring in the number that they *do* buy, including the number that they bought because they decided that they liked the music.

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    9. Re:And no one is shocked by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I have a DVD-A. If I could access the high quality audio on the disc I might be able to enjoy the music better. Who knows? I might buy MORE DISCS if I can use the audio data as I desire.

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    10. Re:And no one is shocked by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Scenario 3) Someone neither buys nor downloads a new record. Result: Artist doesn't get the royalty.

      Scenario 4) Someone buys the record. Record company engages in creative accounting. Result: Artist doesn't get the royalty.

      Seems no matter what the scenario, the result is the same. So either the result mustn't be all that's important, or every action is equally bad.

    11. Re:And no one is shocked by doubledoh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This is a false analogy. Notice how you injected "instead of buying it" into your second scenario. You are making the assumption that someone that downloads a record does so in place of buying it. I've downloaded lots of albums that I NEVER would have bought because I just wanted to see if I liked them. Most albums I download end up in my recyle bin because they suck. Personally, I would never buy an actual album unless I knew it was great by hearing the whole thing at a friend's house, on the radio, or otherwise. I won't buy 1 dollar lottery tickets because I don't like to gamble, but you expect me to buy $15 records that I may or may not like? Dream on buddy.

      When you steal a physical piece of property (ie, a CD from Best Buy), it costs REAL money to produce that particular CD, distribute and ship it to Best Buy, make room for it on a shelf, and pay some teenager to man the registers to sell it to you. Stealing real CD's actually costs money.

      When you download a digital copy of somethign from the internet (ex: 1's and 0's that string together to make musical sounds), it doesn't cost anyone anything (except what we pay for bandwidth and electricity). Unless you specifically planned on purchasing an album, but decided not to because you got it for free off the internet, you are not depriving the artists of any revenue. Am I a "thief" because I decide to read books instead of buying albums? After all, by buying books instead of buying albums, I am depriving the musician of his/her royalty...

      The point is, stealing is different from copyright infringement. If you photocopy a book from the library so you can use it as a source in an essay, are you a thief? Nope, just a copyright violator.

      This has nothing to do with honor by the way. It has to do with market forces attempting to find an equilibrium. Until music prices are drastically torn down from their artificially high (and absurd) levels, alot people are going to say "screw you record companies, I'll download it instead until you get your act togehter." It's sort of a form of civil disobedience. Hell, now that I'm old enough to be able to afford all the music I want, I still say "screw you record companies" because I refuse to be overcharged. I just don't think today's music is worth the money. I wouldn't be buying music today whether the internet existed or not, because it mostly sucks, and even the "good" stuff just doesn't seem worth 15 bucks compared to other means of entertainment (like video games, books, terrorism, the great outdoors, etc).

      So, you say "dishonorable," I say "market adjustment."

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    12. Re:And no one is shocked by Alioth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is...these copy protection schemes frustrate fair use badly, but don't really affect piracy. Consider this: most people pirating music online are quite happy with 128kbit MP3 files. They will also likely be happy with an analogue recording from the line-out of a DVD-A encoded at 128kbit/s. People who want to pirate music will go to the effort of re-recording the music.

      However, someone who just wants to have the convenience of hearing their music regardless of what computer they are using, or perhaps be able to listen to it on the hi-fi upstairs, and when they are working, in the computer room upstairs without having to fish out the disc are frustrated. They aren't stealing, they aren't doing anything morally wrong. The pirates will still pirate regardless of what measures are put in place, but people just wanting to hear their music anywhere will just find it annoying (and probably won't buy DVD-A discs, I certainly won't be buying any).

      The day all music is DRMed such that it can't be trivially cracked is the day I stop buying music. I'm not interested in pirating it, after all I've bought three albums of Magnatune this week and it's trivial to listen to the entire albums for free at Magnatune if you are a cheapskate. Part of the reason I'm willing to buy from them is that they do NOT drm the music, so I can put it on my PowerBook, or put it on my Linux workstation, or on my NFS server and just pick it up from anywhere in the house. Part of the reason I'm willing to buy music from iTunes is that JHymn exists and it's trivial to strip off the DRM so I can put the music on my server and listen to it anywhere.

  2. Oh god, that is funny by sstamps · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sadly, they will never learn.

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  3. Wise man once said... by Xunker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What was that saying?

    "To view it, we have to decrypt them. If we can decrypt them, we can rip them."

    The only "secure" media format is a CD laminated between two plates of steel.

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  4. Always remember the hacker's credo by KennyP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "For every lock there is a key"

    Gotta love fair use!

    Visualize Whirled P.'s

  5. Re:That took a while, eh? by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm a little surprised--why did it take so long for someone to do this?

    Because so few people care about DVD Audio? Most people's ears (and rooms) aren't good enough for 24/96 audio. My interest in high-end audio disc formats ends with DTS, which was a real clever hack in how it used a standard CDDA audio data stream.

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  6. they can opt out of this arms race by milktoastman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know this fight against the Man is so very romantic, but the companies can opt out of this arms race in which the hackers have the advantage. The more and more this encryption breaking is done, the industry will spend less and less money on developing new encryption schemes, and instead spend more and more on buying Senators and Representatives to pass draconian measures to prevent you from legally trying (thinking about how) to break the schemes.

    1. Re:they can opt out of this arms race by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't doubt they will buy more representatives, but how exactly will they outlaw thoughts? Circumvention is technically illegal already, but that doesn't really change anything.

  7. DVD-What? by dema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I imagine the only reason it took so long is because no one gives a damn about DVD-Audio (: The last DVD-Audio disc I actually saw was the test one that came with my previous DVD player.

  8. Why DRM is doomed to fail by naich · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So, rather than try to compromise the DVD-Audio's encryption itself, someone has succeeded in making a patch that uses WinDVD to perform the decryption and playback, but instead pipes the decrypted audio output to the hard drive instead of the sound card.
    It goes back to the old adage; if you can hear it you can copy it. DRM is ultimately doomed to failure. The money spent on trying to implement a doomed technology would be better spent on setting up a syetem were it's not needed.
  9. Re:A little early, boys and girls. by mpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now the copyright cartel will probably just kill the format, and try again with stronger encryption.

    The problem isn't so much the strength of the encryption. It's more that they are trying to use encryption to do something encryption isn't very good at doing.

    This, of course, is not meant by me to imply that any form of mass-consumer DRM is at all uncrackable. They're all doomed in my view.

    Hence they are often combined with legislation to attempt to outlaw cryptoanalysis.

  10. Re:Slashdotted already? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what always cracked me up about the RIAA's parinoia over DVD-A. They burdened it with protections, set it so you can't get the full signal over a digital connection, etc. Why? Internet copying. Of course it seems the majority of Internet copying is 128k or less MP3s, often reencoded form another compressed format and/or recorded from an analogue line in.

    The people who trade that kind of stuff are not going to bother sending DVD Audio around. I mean it is on the order of 50MB per MINUTE compressed.

    The kind of people who have the money for a system that you can appreciate the extra detail on aren't going to squabble much about buying the discs.

  11. Windows Media by drstock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now if they could crack a format that is actually used, like DRM:ed WMV/WMA.

    (Yeah, I know Freeme cracks the old version)

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  12. Re:That took a while, eh? by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Don't blame it on the people, blame it on the publishers. Your collection must consist of almost every DVD-A ever released. The DVD-A catalog just isn't that appealing to most people, and then there's the expensive and/or crippled players that lack full-resolution digital outputs. There's also consumer confusion regarding SACD vs. DVD-A. A format war, in other words.

    If the situation were sane, people would buy more DVD-Audio.

  13. Does This Actually Help? No. by PipianJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's why:

    As cited in the article, this only compromised WinDVD. CPPM, like CSS, has player keys that are specific to the player hardware/software being used. This did not actually reclaim the player key from WinDVD, and even if it did, the player key can be deactivated in future releases, so that future DVD-Audio DVDs can still play. Hence, for true cracking, all of the player keys need to be discovered.

    Furthermore, if only WinDVD is compromised, it will send a signal to content companies to support such formats as SACD, as the format's design naturally prevents playback (and hence any sort of ripping) on computers entirely (as the technology has not been licensed).

  14. Re:What was the purpose of DVD-Audio? by jandrese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the other hand, the last few times the industry tried this (DAT, 8-Tracks, SVHS...) have not been that well recieved. The industry would have to cut the prices on the DVD-Audio discs below that of CDs to get people to swich, and there is no way those greedy bastards are going to do that.

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  15. Good for the sellers by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The idea of buying DVDs was a pretty stupid investment .. until it was cracked. Then, once we had a way to play them, the idea was finally on the table.

    This is just the same thing. Right now, DVD audio is an obscure thing that few people have heard of or seen around, and even if you know it exists, you gotta be crazy to buy one. Now it should become less crazy, and publishers will start to have a reason to use the format.

    You just can't seriously be in the market until your format is usable. It's just common sense.

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  16. Re:That took a while, eh? by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I don't even give a damn about the multichannel stuff. I'd like to see more releases of high-resolution stereo recordings from analog tape masters. Of course, we'll never see anything Sony owns on DVD-A.

    I think a real problem for DVD-A is the previous two decades of direct-to-digital production. If a recording was made to 16/44.1 stereo masters, there's absolutely no point in releasing it on high definition multichannel media. The best you can hope for is to sound exactly like the CD, and what's more likely to happen is a corny surround remaster where the drum kit is inexplicably behind the listener. So there's this huge catalog of (mostly pop) music from the 80s and 90s made to low-definition digital formats, and they can never be improved by DVD-A nor SACD.

  17. Re:Copy Protection? Yeah, right. by Politburo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One reason MP3 encoding has caught on is because it takes 10 minutes to rip and encode a CD. I doubt it would be as popular if everything was recorded in real-time.

    I remember using l3enc to encode back in the day and it was slow as hell compared to today's tools (this was after using CDDA to rip the audio). This was probably more my machine than anything, but if I recall correctly, encoding was about real-time. It didn't stop anyone. All it takes is one person to do it and then it's ready for everyone else.

  18. Re:This story is illegal, and it should be by SpecBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The post doesn't promote piracy. While it's easy to see how this tool could be used for piracy, and it's likely it will be used for piracy, all it does is allow the user to make an electronic copy of media that's already in his physical possession. Remember, if you don't already own a CPPM-protected disk, then this utility is useless.

    The purpose of CPPM (and just about every other DRM system) isn't to control piracy. As far as the pirates are concerned, most DRM systems are rendered irrelevant before the first protected media is ever produced. I can go online right now and download a DRM-free version of "Revenge of the Sith," but I couldn't acquire a protected version even if I wanted to. So when the DVD is released and it's "protected" by CSS, who are the studios trying to protect it from?

    CPPM is similar. Connect to a P2P network and search for "DVDAudio." This stuff is already out there. If I want to get it without paying for it, I can download it right now, and this WinDVD patch is of no use to me whatsoever. If I'm a pirate, I don't give a shit. But if I'm an honest consumer and pay for my music in DVD-Audio format, then I have audio content that I can't play on my iPod. This is what this tool is useful for.

    DRM doesn't control the pirate, it controls the honest consumer.

    I feel like I make the same post every time there's a /. story on DRM. But I'll keep repeating it as long as there are people wiling to parrot the industry crap about DRM being used to prevent piracy. Either that, or the mods start flagging me as "Redundant."

  19. Infringe? by shmlco · · Score: 1, Insightful
    And I'll continue to do so, as the end result is no different. You have something you were supposed to pay for... and didn't.

    The value of a CD isn't in the bit of plastic, but in the music it contained and in the freedom it granted for you to listen to it whenever you wanted.

    And yes, there's a more specific legal term for the act. There's also a perfectly good generic term for it as well. And people who do steal would prefer to hide the fact under a mask of doublespeak and a cloak of rationalization.

    But I can see why others would prefer "infringement", as it sounds SO much better than stealing. Infringe? Why that's barely stepping a tippy-toe over the line... hardly worth even mentioning.

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  20. Revoking Keys, Corporate Warfare, Mischief Aboundi by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If this format allows revocation of keys for compromised hardware the next time you play an updated disc after your player, than mischief can certain abound.

    1: Company A cracks Company B's more successful player and distributes said crack over Usenet.
    2: Company B's keys are revoked, rendering their players useless.
    3: PROFIT!

    A 3-steps to Profit is a short pipeline indeed.

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  21. Re:That took a while, eh? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're missing something important: most people simply don't have audio gear of sufficient quality to make higher resolution formats worthwhile. And with consumer electronics all being made in China now as cheaply as possible because people value price over quality, this isn't about to change.

    What's more, I really don't think most people could tell the difference anyway, because so many people have poor and/or damaged hearing thanks to all the loud noises we're exposed to constantly, or thanks to age.

  22. Re:The DMCA is a law by Arcane_Rhino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are being somewhat selective in your civic values.

    I do not think so. As someone who worked as a Customs Inspector for almost a decade and seized many many hardware and software components under the DMCA, I have a keen understanding of the intention and use of the DMCA. It was implemented with the intention of curbing the flow of violative software and the hardware that enabled use of illegal software. It also enabled businesses to better control their marketing districts.

    Preventing consumers from fair use activities was never part of the stated reason for the legislation nor were we ever instructed during our briefings to look for articles that would prevent consumers from manipulating legitimate (legally obtained and distributed) software and hardware.

    My background stated, I will also assert that I have no problem putting copyright violators in jail or with the seizure of illegally produced and distributed works. I am not advocating any type of free-for-all. I believe people should be fairly compensated for their efforts.

    However,
    since my time as an Inspector, I have observe many businesses try to warp the usage of the DMCA to their own ends. And not just the usual targets of /. dislike: My favorite was the court decision that third-party garage door openers are NOT a violation of the DMCA because Congress never intended the DMCA to limit consumer options. Good ruling but this is why I have become cynical about the current usage of the DMCA. It is no longer being applied to the "bad guys" but instead is being increasingly used by corporations to lock consumers out of their rights and choices.

    The manipulation of the DMCA in effort to extort more money out of the consumer or monopolistically control the consumer is unacceptable and unethical.

    I stand by my previous statement.