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Microsoft's Personnel Puzzle

theodp writes "CNET reports on Microsoft's reputation for arrogance in its personnel practices, citing the experience of Arthur Sorkin, who responded to an unsolicited invitation to interview with MS back in 2000. But instead of trying to sell him on the company or the job, interviewers challenged him with a technical 'pop quiz.' Sorkin, who holds a PhD in CS, withdrew his application. During the past year, Microsoft called Sorkin to say it had scheduled a phone interview with him for another job, although Sorkin hadn't applied for it and no one had asked if he was interested."

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  1. That's why! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They found his comments on Slashdot.

  2. Spam by m85476585 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "unsolicited invitation to interview"

    Sounds like Spam!

    1. Re:Spam by `Sean · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder how many unsolicited invitations to interview he'll get now that his resume has been Slashdotted. ;)

    2. Re:Spam by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've got Karma to burn, so what the hell!

      ----

      Hey hey, Microsoft's great,
      They forcefeed bullshit onto your plate.
      You'll be working for Gates, that iconic dude,
      Crooked marketer through and through!

      Oh oh, you better watch out,
      Someone installed IE, so don't you pout.
      You've got a job with this mega-firm,
      We're spyware enablers from stem to stern!

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      And then we'll have you by the balls.
      Write some shit, there's no remorse,
      So long as you attack Open Source!

      Yay yah, Microsoft's great!
      Come on in, let's have a taste,
      Now's the time, no time to wait,
      Time to bend over and take it for Gates!

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    3. Re:Spam by spruce · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've got Karma to burn, so what the hell!

      Oh yea man, you're in for a real karma spanking posting something like that on Slashdot.

    4. Re:Spam by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 4, Funny


      But that's EXACTLY the kind of person Microsoft wants.

      A "whiz kid" who can do something clever without thinking about the overall consequences - such as security or even simple common sense.

      Somebody who can't threaten Bill's ego or raise issues about system design or corporate behavior they don't want to have to deal with.

      None of those tests is really relevant to turning out a well-designed, well-coded and documented system. Maybe if you're doing embedded work in 16K on some microcontroller - or Tiny BASIC back in the 1970's when Bill learned his trade. I'd look for something a lot more conceptual such as how would one handle the documentation of such-and-such a code module.

      It's like I've always suspected. Microsoft wants inexperienced whiz kids right out of school or experienced guys who can't think about anything but code.

      And it shows in their systems.

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      Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
  3. Well... by oo7tushar · · Score: 4, Funny

    When was the last time the Borg asked if they could assimilate you?

    1. Re:Well... by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Funny
      oo7tushar wrote:
      When was the last time the Borg asked if they could assimilate you?
      Obvioulsy... it was the last time we were both in Soviet Russia.
  4. Counter Stike Degree? by mesmartyoudumb · · Score: 4, Funny

    Must be one hell of a player!

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    "Comedy's a dead art form. Now tragedy, that's funny."
    1. Re:Counter Stike Degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Objective: To gain employment in the area of bomb defusal, terrorist elimination, VIP Escorting or time-limited hostage rescue.

      Work History: Employed at several CTU locations, including, but not limited to: Dust, AZ (USA), Cobble, England, and an oilrig of the pacific coast.

      Qualifications: I pride myself in being very detail oriented and accurate in my daily work, as well as very effective. I also tend to be God-like on occasion.

      My worst quality [interview question]: It tends to be very messy to clean up after me, as I'm constantly shooting people in the face. [Note the turning negative into a positive... GUARANTEED employment.]

  5. Re:Why is this news? by savagedome · · Score: 5, Funny

    "How Would You Move Mount Fuji?"

    mv /mnt/fuji /dev/null

  6. Best Interview Question Ever by incast · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had an interview for a co-op marketing position with Microsoft. The interview went well, I was getting along with the interviewers and we were have a good conversation, and then they asked me the last question......

    "How on earth could you ever work for Microsoft, the big evil company??"

    Probably the best question I've ever been asked in an interview.

    1. Re:Best Interview Question Ever by Radres · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...because you work in marketing, therefore you are already evil?

    2. Re:Best Interview Question Ever by Schnapple · · Score: 4, Funny

      So instead of taking a gig with Microsoft you took a RIM Job instead?

  7. Re:Why is this news? by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 4, Funny

    How would you move Mount Fugi?

    I would use a static warp shell to lower its mass in this inertial frame of reference and then pick it up.

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    I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
  8. Re:PhD in CS is WAY overrated by rbarreira · · Score: 2, Funny

    Write a subroutine that takes three 32 bit integers and produces a result where each bit is "voted on" by the corresponding bit in the three inputs

    Answer = xor, right?

    --

    The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
  9. Maybe they're desperate? by RainbowSix · · Score: 2, Funny

    A friend of mine went to the Microsoft job fair booth with a hand-scribbled resume on notebook paper. In the "objectives" section he wrote "to get free stuff." As a joke, he gave it to them and took the available booth swag.

    He got an email asking for an interview.

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    It's OK to be social, just don't tell anyone about it.
  10. Re:Why is this news? by Rylz · · Score: 5, Funny

    mv /mnt/fuji /dev/null

    If you wanted to get the job with MS, you would have to change that to:

    move "C:\Mount Fuji" C:\RECYCLED
    --
    Sometimes you've gotta roll the hard six.
  11. And your answer was... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Ever since the Phoenicians invented money, there has only been one answer to that question!"

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  12. Re:PhD in CS is WAY overrated by hahiss · · Score: 5, Funny

    ``Example question, since I know you're curious: You have triple redundant storage of certain critical data. Write a subroutine that takes three 32 bit integers and produces a result where each bit is "voted on" by the corresponding bit in the three inputs."

    My ph.d. isn't in CS (I don't do any programming) but I think the answer is ``shoot the hostage."

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    "Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." - H.L. Mencken
  13. Re:Why is this news? by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Funny


    mv /mnt/fuji /dev/null


    Would you like to overwrite device file /dev/null?

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    LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
  14. Re:Here I Ain't by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

    Most asses have 2 partitions. However, I once saw a monkey with 4 partitions.

  15. Re:Why is this news? by Angostura · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait a second and it would have moved several hundreds of miles courtesy of the earth's orbit. Do I win?

  16. Re:Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'd use PhotoShop.

  17. Re:Why is this news? by Drachemorder · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're all poisoned. You should have spent the last few years building up an immunity to the poison.

  18. Re:Why is this news? by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but I wanted it moved to Redmond.

    The original answer is still correct in that case.

  19. Re:Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    On windows, you'd get something like

    Not enough free space on /dev/null
    (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail?

  20. Re:Why is this news? by winkydink · · Score: 2, Funny

    tar cvf - /mnt/fuji |(cd redmond; tar xvpf -)

    You can do it with dump/restore if you're worried about holey files and such.

    --

    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

  21. A better answer for the interview by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since your command won't work as you think it will... Try something like

    mv /mnt/fuji /home/microsoft/building8/

    Wonder what happens when you move Mnt Fuji into Bill's Office....

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    LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
  22. Now that's something to boast about by craXORjack · · Score: 4, Funny
    Microsoft boasts that about 90 percent of those offered jobs these days accept them--a higher rate than in past years.

    It's easy when Microsoft offers them exorbitant wages of 40 Rupees an hour!

    --
    Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
  23. Re:Former Microsoftie here by localman · · Score: 2, Funny

    pretend to satisfy the first demand while really satisfying the former

    I think you meant "latter". Typical sloppineess for a Microsoft employee.

    ( just kidding, I worked there too in 98/99 ;)

    Cheers.

  24. Re:Move Mt. Fugi? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the answer is "with a fuckin great bomb"

  25. Re:Why is this news? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Funny
    How would you move Mount Fuji?

    1. Open the refrigerator door
    2. Put Mt. Fuji in the refrigerator
    3. Close the refrigerator door
    4. Move the refrigerator

    --
    Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
  26. Re:Microsoft hirers: weird. by HuffMeister · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or not so anonymously. What an Idiot I am.

  27. B5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "You have triple redundant storage of certain critical data. Write a subroutine that takes three 32 bit integers and produces a result where each bit is "voted on" by the corresponding bit in the three inputs."

    The BlueScreen has already started, it is too late for the bits to vote.

  28. Re:Not that I'd ever side with MS... by Inthewire · · Score: 1, Funny

    Mmm...grilled Cod sounds good.

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    Writers imply. Readers infer.
  29. Re:Why is this news? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would hire 20,000 temporary staff for a period of 5-15 years, without ever offering to hire them on permanently. Then, I would issue each of them a teaspoon and canoe. These would be deducted from their first paycheck of course, at full retail price. The teaspoon serves 2 functions, as a paddle for the canoe, and when they arrive at Mt Fuji, as their shovel. It is true that Mt. Fuji is made more of rock than anything resembling soil, but I expect my employees to not need a babysitter, I hired them to figure these things out. Once they have their teaspoon filled with 0.0000000000001% of Mt. Fuji, then they have to canoe back to where ever, and deliver the teaspoonful. There would then be paperwork to fill out.

    On second thought, Mt. Fuji is still somewhat active, might be best to have them sign a disclaimer, in case they are lavanated.

  30. Whats wrong with these people by jbplou · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whats wrong with these people! Can't a man walk down the street without being offered a job?

  31. The correct answer is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "How would you design an in car coffee maker?"
    Well.

  32. Re:Why is this news? by Renegrade · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not delayed, it's fashionably ahead of the fallback schedule!

  33. Re:Why is this news? by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 2, Funny
    Actually, I think the slashdot message of the day at the bottom is the funniest thing I have read here:

    QOTD: "Do you smell something burning or is it me?" -- Joan of Arc

  34. Re:Not that I'd ever side with MS... by swit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Extracted quote: .....Still, I did a decent job - it took me too long, and I had a memory leak.....

    God - I'm stunned that he did NOT get the job at Microsoft (!!!),
    since that is *SO* perfectly the Microsoft Way!!!

  35. Re:Why is this news? by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Funny

    No no no, from my PC, the night before. When I decide what time I'm going to head to the office.

    To: Car Coffee Maker
    From: Me
    Subject: Work

    Dear Coffee Machine,
    I plan on leaving for work at 6:15AM tomorrow. Please have 4 cups of Breakfast Blend prepared just prior to my departure.

    Regards,
    Me

  36. Re:Not that I'd ever side with MS... by sfjoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    He would ask me a question, and sit and roll his eyes as I was answering and check his email - basically communicating clearly to me that he didn't like me, want me there or want to be talking to me.

    I had an interview like that once. The guy asked me of my degree was from a "real school or one of those diploma-by-mail outfits".
    Many years later I got to sit on a committee that was going to evaluate a purchase of a product his company had built. This was a major purchase and I made damn sure he knew who I was and I made him sweat blood.
    Damn - that felt good!!!!!

    --
    It's simple: I demand prosecution for torture.
  37. Re:PhD in CS is WAY overrated by SlimFastForYou · · Score: 3, Funny

    For those who were wondering what a solution might be (I saw some attempts but didn't care much for them)..

    #include <cmath>
    using namespace std;

    DWORD Vote (DWORD storedvalue[3])
    {
    DWORD result = 0;

    for (int i = 31; i >= 0; i--)
    {
    // if this ends up as 2 or 3, we will turn place value bit on
    int votes = 0;

    for (int j = 0; j < 3; j++)
    {
    DWORD temp = storedvalue[j];

    // throw out lower place values
    temp = temp / pwr(2,i);

    // throw out higher place values
    temp = temp % pwr(2,i);

    // see if remaining bit is equal, if so increase vote count
    if (temp == pwr(2,i))
    votes++;
    }
    if (votes >= 2)
    result = result + pwr(2,i);
    }
    return result;
    }

  38. Re:Not that I'd ever side with MS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yeah, or else they might swipe his sweet graph traversing algorithm. I'm sure no one else has discovered it before.

  39. Re:Why is this news? by killjoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Announce that you will move mount fuji any day now.
    2) Announce that the competition will never be able move mount fuji and that once you move mount fuji there is a real chance they will go out of business.
    3) Announce that since you will move mount fuji any day now it makes no sense to buy anything from a competitor. .....wait four years.

    4) Announce that you will not be moving all of mount fuji just "the important parts" .... Wait two years.

    5) Announce that you have already moved part of mount fuji and show the press a bucket of dirt.

    6) Get a truckload of dirt from mount fuji, dump it in redmond and proudly announce that you have successfully moved mount fuji.
    7) Keep claiming that MS has moved mount fuji and that it's the most innovative and amazing thing ever done by anybody anywhere. Pay ZDNET lots of money to repeat that announcement five times a day for six months.

    8) Voila! MS has moved mount fuji, anybody who claims otherwise is a communist, hippie, terrorist.

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    evil is as evil does
  40. Re:MS vs. Google by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 2, Funny

    "In any case, arrogance breeds downfall, soon enough. Most of the Microserfs I met were not terribly arrogant, not moreso than your average techie at least."

    Sounds about right.

    I find it funny that slashdotters, of all people, are making harsh judgments regarding arrogance, as the average slashdot poster believes that he's God's gift to programming. LOL

    Every day slashdot is filled with posts from posters that know so much better how do to things than this or that company. And a slashdotter's proposed solution are always so easily implentable and obvious, that the company that didn't use the solution must *clearly* employ a workforce of utter morons, right? It couldn't be that the company thought of the slashdotter's solution, examined it and maybe even tried it, but then rejected it for various reasons. Nope, that just couldn't be! :-)

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    -- "I never gave these stories much credence." - HAL 9000
  41. Re:Why is this news? by dehuit · · Score: 2, Funny
    mount --move /mnt/fuji /mnt/everest

    But how do you exchange the Fuji and the Everest, without creating an intermediary mountain?

    (Hint: use xor)

  42. Re:Why is this news? by PhraudulentOne · · Score: 2, Funny

    How Would You Move Mount Fuji

    The power of Christ! ;p

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