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Dennis Threatens Discovery Launch Date

BitFluid writes "According to CNN.com, hurricane Dennis is casting doubt on the shuttle's July 13th launch date. From the article: 'NASA has until the end of July to send Discovery on a flight to the international space station, otherwise it must wait until September to ensure a daylight launch.' Shuttle managers decided Thursday evening to begin initial preparations to move Discovery from the pad, as the hurricane increased in intensity and headed toward the Gulf of Mexico and Florida's southern tip. NASA spokesman George Diller said, 'We're going to keep our options open. We're still trying to protect the 13th.'"

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  1. Some more info... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Informative


    Here's a tracking map of Hurricane Dennis, courtesy of the good folks over at Weather Underground.

    Looks fairly safe (since Cape Canaveral is off the east coast of Florida), but I'm sure the boys over at NASA don't want to take any chances...

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    1. Re:Some more info... by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      half on PR

      Well can you blame them?

      The President shut down the Shuttle program after the last crash. Of COURSE it's PR. But if they don't take every single stupid precaution, NASA will get shut down immediately, which means that there won't be a US space program until the private space businesses catch up, if they ever do.

      Our society is incredibly risk-adverse today, and they don't seem to understand that travelling to space is a very dangerous business. The astronauts all know that, and they chose to take the risk.

      In the past, how many explorers lost their lives when travelling across the great oceans? None of us would be here today if some big beureaucratic government kept the boat in the dock until the sailors fixed every little flaw in the boat.

  2. OOPS! Nevermind! by Gleep · · Score: 5, Informative

    CNN is reporting now that they have decided to leave it out on the pad and the launch date is not threatened. I tried to notify the /. editor when I saw this posting but I was too late!

    I feel bad for all those people in FL having to deal with this. I lived there a long time and never had to put up with so much hurricane activity.

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  3. Re:OOPS! Nevermind! by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 4, Informative
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  4. Re:Poor Location by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's where the infrastructure is. It would very well cost many billions of dollars, if not up into the trillions, to duplicate the Florida establishments in Texas or New Mexico. Not to mention the cost of relocating all of the support staff.

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  5. This gives new meaning to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the comic strip "Dennis the Menace", eh?

  6. In related news... by SeekerDarksteel · · Score: 5, Funny

    President George W. Bush has declared Dennis an international terrorist, guilty of violent acts in Jamaica and Cuba. In response to Dennis's threats against Kennedy Space Center he has ordered that Dennis be arrested and detained at Gitmo as an unlawful combatant indefinitely. In response to an aide's attempt to explain to Mr. Bush that Dennis was an "Act of God", Bush responsed "Well fine then, we'll go after him next."

    Whew, really treading the line between -1 Troll and +5 Funny on this one.

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    1. Re:In related news... by PaxTech · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dennis replied by saying "Come see the violence inherent in the system. Help, help, I'm being repressed."

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  7. No Delays by UMhydrogen · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to SpaceFlightNow there will be NO delays with the launch.

    "NASA managers Thursday evening decided to begin preparing the shuttle Discovery for a possible roll back to the protection of the Vehicle Assembly Building should Hurricane Dennis take a turn to the east and threaten the Space Coast. At a midnight meeting, however, officials put those preparations on hold. And this morning the decision was made to cancel any rollback.

    Technicians at launch pad 39B have disconnected explosive ordnance as part of early rollback preparations. At a midnight senior management meeting, however, officials decided not to continue with the list of chores to unhook Discovery from its seaside complex given a more optimistic weather outlook that keeps Dennis well away from Kennedy Space Center. Proceeding with more rollback activities overnight would have prevented an on-time launch Wednesday.

    Rollback to the VAB would have to be completed before the wind reaches 40 knots (46 MPH). [It would take] about 48 hours from the time the decision is made to the time we are in the VAB. We had a weather briefing and at this point we are fairly confident we will not have to fuss with the storm, at least this one this time. It's a long hurricane season."

  8. Re:Excuses, excuses ... by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

    High velocity, turbulent winds + precise trajectories required = Very Bad

    High-speed flying debris + extremely lightweight airframe components = Very Bad

    Lightning + tall metal structure full of exceedingly combustable materials = Very Bad

    If craft is launching: Rain + moving at thousands of meters per second, turning each drop into an impactor = Very Bad

    Especially if craft is launching: Wind shear + very tall, weak object = Very Bad

    Even if there is no damage to the craft, inspection time = Very Expensive, Bad.

    Need I go on? Inclement weather is horrible to rockets. Even having to move the craft off its pad and back into the assembly building alone, then move it back, is a very big, expensive, time consuming task. If there's any damage to the building, and especially if there's damage to the vehicle, it could be a huge issue. Even if the storm doesn't hit Florida, slight bad weather from the fringes of the storm can be very bad for rockets during launch, for reasons described above and more.

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  9. Re:Poor Location by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not only that, but a stray rocket flying into Mexico could be disasterous for American foreign relations.

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  10. Re:Poor Location by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Politics is what put JSC in Houston. Geography by way of physics is what put KSC in Florida.

  11. Re:Poor Location by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why don't they pack up shop and move to Texas or New Mexico? If they can set off a nuke there, I think a rocket accident is the least of their worries.

    I think because if a down-range accident happens, you want the wreckage to land in the ocean, not on Phoenix or Ciudad Juarez.

  12. Re:OOPS! Nevermind! by slapout · · Score: 5, Funny

    don't worry, you can try to catch them again before the dupe story is posted

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  13. Re:so what by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are you kidding or serious? I'll pretend serious.

    The shuttle has several options in the event of damage. First off, they've spent the past several years, in addition to many, many other things, developing RCC and tile repair methods. While limited, they have the ability to fix small holes. Secondly, most debris falloff (which, by the way, was not a "shuttle" problem, but a problem with almost every rocket in the world, especially LOX/LH ones, but also for LOX/Kerosene ones) has been largely reduced (near eliminated) due to using heaters instead of insulation on the bipod and developing better foam application techniques (with other large rockets are likely to copy). If there is damage, and they don't feel safe reentering, the crew is to stay housed on ISS until a rescue mission can be launched. Even still, with a Why can the X-prize competitors do what they do

    I tired of having to explain this every time, so I wrote Why SpaceShipOne Never Did, Never Will, And None Of Its Direct Descendants Ever Will, Orbit The Earth.. Read it first, and *then* we can discuss orbital spaceflight. If your hope is "private spaceflight", you're looking at the wrong spot. You need to look at companies actually going to orbit, like SpaceX.

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