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OSS Funding through Fundable

John Pratt writes "FredCK, developer of the popular FCKEditor, recently raised $600 from supporters through Fundable to port his open source HTML editor to Safari. Fundable is a new site that lets groups of people pool money for specific purposes, like software features. Unlike generic donation dropboxes (such as PayPal buttons), if a group's targeted collection isn't reached after 2 or 4 weeks, everyone gets a complete refund." Newsforge has a piece discussing the site as well.

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  1. Like Linux Fund by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So it's like Linux Fund except that the users get to donate money directly to projects?

    It's actually kind of neat how various funding options have begun appearing. Writing OSS software is a thankless job that takes hundreds (sometimes thousands) of man-hours. I'm curious if there's a possibility in the future of software developers being employed full time on user funded projects.

    1. Re:Like Linux Fund by Rolan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except that LinuxFund is pretty much dead. The money there is in limbo. Notice the last update to the site was almost a year ago (July 30, 2004).

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    2. Re:Like Linux Fund by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except that LinuxFund is pretty much dead.

      Indeed. After the recent Ask Slashdot story, one would have expected new life of some sort out of LinuxFund. Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. In the meantime their account is building up hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    3. Re:Like Linux Fund by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The feature that I really like about this is the fact that it gets refunded if the target isn't met.
      I would be much more likely to donate to something if I knew that if the goal wasn't met I would get my $$$ back...
      Sort of like donating money to buy someone a new heart, but then the person dies before enough money is raised, what happens to the $$$? With this system you could get your donation back.
      Since it is Friday afternoon I will share a crazy yet apt analogy- It would be nice if you could do this with a third party candidate- there is one on TV, who isnt my cup of tea (his name rhymes with Matt Rocannon) who always says people tell him they would vote for him if they thought he could win- What if voting was like this funding plan ie you get byour vote back if your third (or whatever) party candidate doesn't even get close.... Yes that undermines our system and commitment, but still is interesting.

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    4. Re:Like Linux Fund by ZephyrXero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What we need now is a site that combines the ideas behind Google's Summer of Code with this new site...

      As far as LinuxFund goes...maybe we need to setup a new site (spreadlinux.org maybe?)that has users submit advertisements and promotional/awareness campaigns and then once they're approved by the community, they setup a Fundable account to pay for it...Kind of like SpreadFirefox and their New York times ad, but on the next level...

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  2. Is Software Tangible Enough For This? by DanielMarkham · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Software isn't like a car or boat, FTA
    Fundable.org leaves it up to the project initiator to make sure all the contributors are satisfied. "You can't really make sure someone is going to do what they're supposed to do," Pratt says. "We're working on a feedback system, but for now we let people post a link to their eBay profile and ratings, thereby implementing a degree of trustworthiness."
    So I pay my money and get my software delivered. After a month, I discover it has a bug in it. Do I get my money back then? Or does the developer go back to fundable to raise more money for the fix? Seems like people would be unhappy with this system over a long period of time. For simple, atomic operations, fine. But for ongoing software development and maintenance? I don't see how it would work.

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    1. Re:Is Software Tangible Enough For This? by Rolan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called trust. If you don't trust the project intiator to do what they say or to do the right thing, then don't give the money.

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    2. Re:Is Software Tangible Enough For This? by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Uhm, no.

      It is a donation system that happens to also have a method to return the donation in case the developer completely fails.

      It's not "your software". You're donating to a group, helping them reach their goal. In the event they cannot reach their goal (by their definition, since it's their software), they can kindly refund the money.

      What you're looking for is to hire a software developer (or company) to write software for you. That's not what this is. So move along.

      But don't worry, you're modded up, so you have a great point.

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  3. If only.... by Rolan · · Score: 2, Informative

    the FCKEditor website had the same numbers as everyone else.... Newsforge and Fundable list it as 700/600, but the website lists it at 800/500....

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  4. Better name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should have called it FCKable

  5. Public menace? by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny
    The editor runs over Windows, Mac and Linux operating systems.

    Didn't the guy who wrote SASSER get arrested for running over at least one of the listed OSes?

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  6. funny how i see paypal and moneybookers but... by root-kun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the official fck website doesnt list fundable.org as a donation channel. I just see paypal and monkeybookers.
    The idea of fundable.org is good, especially since paypal is so miserable to work with, but when dealing with large money transfers, I would expect to know what kind of financial backing they have, and how reputable they are. I dont see any of that information on the page.
    I must say though, posting a donation link on the slashdot main page is a tad bit of advertising for my taste, even if the project is good (which it appears to be)

  7. Much needed by Eloquence · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Similar proposals have been discussed and implemented before: CoSource, SourceXChange, the Free Software Bazaar, SourceAgency, Experts-something, ... here is a historical overview.

    Why did past projects fail? I think the main reasons are usability, lack of collaboration and the dot-com-crash. Wiki-like functionality is essential to allow specifications to evolve, and there needs to be a very simple and obvious process of pooling funds and finding projects to donate to.

    A brief look suggests that Fundable, while simple and slick, is not yet optimal for the purposes of funding open source projects -- it appears to lack collaboration on specifications, milestones, a process for applying to implement someone else's suggestions, fine grained categorization and sorting, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong on any of this) That it succeeds for some projects regardless shows that there is a vacuum for a portal like this -- not just in open source development. It would give those who cannot contribute code a way to nevertheless help to "scratch their itches" in the open source software world.

  8. I would much rather see a bonded Escrow house by gte910h · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This should be a bonded escrow house. If its not, you'd be a fool to trust them with your money. Also, they should offer escrow services (Where the money is not disbursed until it passes some test). --Michael

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    1. Re:I would much rather see a bonded Escrow house by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This should be a bonded escrow house. If its not, you'd be a fool to trust them with your money. Also, they should offer escrow services (Where the money is not disbursed until it passes some test)

      Well, given that OSS projects don't have the money to pay for a bonded escrow house, that's not very applicable here.

      Yes, for large coporate software, that is the kind of thing you do.

      That would be like saying if the HURD could spend $1billion on R&D they could probably produce a finished OS. The lack of the $1 billion is the key here.
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  9. Popular FCKeditor? by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I must be out of the loop, cuz I've honestly neither heard of it, nor heard of anybody using it.

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  10. Great idea by phasm42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although I don't know the details of Fundable, the idea is great. One person contributing a little money towards a project usually doesn't help the developer much. It's the sum of many people that helps. However, there's a problem -- if not enough people donate, then your donation may have gone to waste. With this method, you can donate and feel safe that either 1) Enough people wil donate to make a difference or 2) You get your money back.

    This kinda reminds me of another website whose name eludes me at the moment, but they have a similiar system applied to signatures, and agreeing to do something e.g. confront an organization about an issue.

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    1. Re:Great idea by phasm42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Found the site, it was in a Register article: PledgeBank

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  11. I think we found that #2! by fitten · · Score: 5, Funny

    The concept, while unique, is quite simple. Anyone who has a product or service to sell, or needs monetary support for a charitable cause, or who wants to organize a group purchase, posts their requirement on Fundable.org. They specify the number of contributors needed and the amount of money required from each. They also specify a deadline by which to raise the needed capital. Fundable.org holds all contributions until the total amount requested is received, or the deadline is reached. If, by the deadline, the amount contributed is less than the required amount, the project is scrapped and the contributors receive a full refund.

    So, all they do is collect money (and earn interest on said money) and watch a date. They don't care that the software is actually delivered and/or works (which is somewhat smart because they collect interest up until the deadline regardless and they aren't responsible for the quality or even the delivery of said product). I think we finally found that #2!

    1. Collect money for someone
    2. Collect interest on said money up until a deadline and either give the money back or give it to the person who set up the fund depending on amount.
    3. Profit!!!

  12. What am I doing wrong? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Funny
    I added the following in my code, but I am still not getting any money:
    public class MyOSSProject implements Fundable

    After implementing the interface, my project compiles fine, but the money is just not coming it when I run it.

    Any thoughts?

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  13. For buying code by Harbinjer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This could be really useful for buying the code to open source projects, especially older applications, or stuff from companies that are dying.

    This might've been really useful for getting Blender at the time. I'm just saying it could work well for this stuff.

    It could also be used for code bounties...ie how much do you want a feature, added to an OSS program.

    I have to agree with some previous posters that this may not work out great for continuous OSS support, meaning paying people full-time to work on stuff, cause that requires lots of money, and you aren't quite sure what you'll get each month.

  14. Sounds like a great way for developers... by Ingolfke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to hold a release hostage. Yes... I have the latest release of some software w/ all of the new features you want, and many of the bug fixes, but will not release it until I get $600. Then again, it's their software so it's not really hostage. Point is... this will be a very effective tool for established one-man or partly commercial project or for fixes to nagging problems in existing projects, but only when the developers use the money as an ultimatum for releasing the work.

  15. If anyone can help... by dark-br · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have just set up a account so maybe I can raise the funds needed to buy your public school Linux Lab a new box.

    Help if you can

    Many Brazilian kids would be very very thankful!

  16. Book publishing worked like this by panurge · · Score: 3, Informative
    Years ago, booksellers would ask for subscriptions to get a book published and when the printing threshold was reached, publication took place. If it never did, the subscribers got their money back.
    It actually looks like a very good model for specialist software. As someone who works for a small consultancy, I'm aware that there are many applications we would find useful that could be used by maybe twenty similar companies around the world, but would never justify the development cost for just one. And obviously no-one would buy from (or sell to) the competition. This is a possible way of developing this kind of software, though what would be ideal is some kind of trusted brokerage equivalent to the 18th century bookseller. Perhaps there's a business model for somebody there who has more spare time than I do.

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  17. Like Public Software Fund by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Similar idea to the Public Software Fund, only we allow for different size donations and multiple bidders for the same job. I have plans to modify the system so it allows for dominant assurance contracts.

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  18. yup, popular. by LDoggg_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Guess you are out of the loop :)
    Take a look at the stats Actually, I only found out about the project a few months ago.

    Check out the demo its actually a really cool editor. Amazing what this guy can do with javascript.
    Works great as an embedded editor for a web-based content management system.

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  19. TinyMCE by eluusive · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was last working on a project that required this sort of thing I evaluated a bunch of these different content editors and TinyMCE seemed like one of the best ones to me. It, unlike most and FCKEditor, converts existing textareas like HTMLArea does. This is nice in supporting browsers in a backward compatible manor. It also seemed to be alot more responsive once the graphics for the buttons had loaded up. - my 2 cents.

  20. Re:Does it work on KHTML? by eluusive · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't start this flamewar again. Safari's CVS is public.