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FrontPage Server Extensions for Unix?

beetle496 asks: "Okay, so I didn't research my choice of ISP adequately. Despite running Apache 2.0 on Red Hat, the only option for dynamic content they support is FrontPage Server Extensions. I am quite comfortable with X/HTML and CSS, and am okay with JavaScript. I am annoyed enough that I would buy FrontPage, were it available for my preferred platform. I've performed the customary MSDN and Google searches. The best I came up with was a page on FrontPage UNIX Server Extensions, which sounds exactly on target, but didn't help me. Can anyone point me toward a resource on writing HTML code to make use of FPSE (aka, webbot) -- without using FrontPage?"

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  1. power of choice by sofar · · Score: 4, Insightful


    use the power of choice: change ISP's

    1. Re:power of choice by jmt9581 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The OP said he'd buy Frontpage if it were available for his platform, but he won't spend the meager amount of money to find a decent webhost? That's ridiculous, I think that a (legal) version fo Office would cost at least $100, which should be more than a year of hosting from a decent webhost.

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    2. Re:power of choice by bhtooefr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Adelphia: 10MB space, and not much is allowed (no .EXEs, for example) - the only dynamic content is FP extensions. (this is according to TFA)

      Freeshell: $36 ONE TIME, 100MB web space (also 100MB shell and 100MB mailbox), Perl, PHP, and Python ALL supported for dynamic content, and you can put almost anything in your webspace.

      Which sounds like the better idea?

  2. FrontPage anything... by qualico · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...makes me shudder.

    yep, change ISPs.
    Web standards are scary enough without adding yet another layer of, "more to go wrong".

    1. Re:FrontPage anything... by itwerx · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have used FrontPage a couple times over the years and it truly is horrible. Even the simplest text page with no tables or anything comes out as a nasty jumble of HTML that is terribly unpredictable across browsers.
      I do believe FP (even the 2003 version which I happen to have tried recently because I was given a copy for free) is hands down the worst web editor out there. (Well, okay, it's a tie between FP and MS-Word! :)
      So yeah, change ISPs...

  3. I think... by Bin_jammin · · Score: 5, Funny

    geocities still has an impressive page builder. It might be worth looking into.

  4. $10 says... by hotgazpacho · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that PHP (albeit an older version) is installed. Create a file called phpinfo.php in your web root, and put in the following:
    <?php phpinfo(); ?>
    Then, visit the page in your browser. If you see the code, or it wants you to download the file, you're SOL. Otherwise, rock on!

    1. Re:$10 says... by globalar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The function phpinfo() can be disabled at build time or via directive in php.ini, httpd.conf, or .htaccess. This is not uncommon on production machines which don't "officially" support php. Always try print/echo before you give up.

  5. Frontpage extensions for WINDOWS by fluor2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've installed Apache on windows, and I recently discovered that there was no Frontpage extensions for WINDOWS! I refuse running IIS on Windows, so what do I do? :)

    1. Re:Frontpage extensions for WINDOWS by Richard+Dick+Head · · Score: 2, Informative

      If running Linux or BSD on your server isn't an option, then running Apache on Cygwin should work.

  6. You have GOT to be kidding me by toygeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You want to use the frontpage extensions, OUTSIDE OF FRONTPAGE? Tell you what, go get a .22, and shoot yourself in the foot. It'll be more productive.

    I have the unfortunate "pleasure" of supporting the Frontpage extensions on about 40 production web hosting servers. They are *horrible*. I mean *HORRIBLE*. When they work, they work fine, but then they quit working, it sometimes takes wiping out a clients site, reinstalling the extensions, and then having them re-publish from *scratch*. Oh yeah, great stuff there.

    Do yourself a favor and use a few PHP or Perl scripts do do what you need to do. There's nothing in Frontpage that can't be done in PHP or Perl. Its NOT that great. Heck I've done prettier, more functional sites using shtml and php.

    Just reading this post makes me feel like I'm watching a bad horror movie and the main character is about to enter the room where the axe murderer is waiting, and everybody in the audience KNOWS there's an axe murderer. "DONT GO IN THERE!" somebody shouts.

    Remember, Friends don't let friends use Frontpage.

    1. Re:You have GOT to be kidding me by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is his host supposedly doesn't allow any dynamic content except javascript and FrontPage. PHP/etc. won't work.

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  7. Frontpage for UNIX is EOL'd by Oinos · · Score: 4, Informative

    This seems pretty straight forward to me.

    Perhaps you should find a new ISP since your current one is using obsolete software.

    1. Re:Frontpage for UNIX is EOL'd by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 2, Informative

      fpse 2000 are eol'd as of 6/30/05, yes, but fpse 2002 aren't eol'd until 6/30/06

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  8. Overview: Frontpage extensibility by demigod2k · · Score: 5, Informative

    As other people have mentioned, FPSE is obsolete. Today, you are supposed to use client-side dynamic (webbot, DTC, add-in) or more modern server-side dynamic (ASP) techniques. A lot of things including navigation can be handled design-time, reply or email if you're interested in that topic. I do everything design-time; it's my preferred method, and FP2003 is my preferred tool.

    However you can still use a webbot for server-side dynamic behavior. Visit MSDN and download the Frontpage 2002 SDK. Don't worry, it's not outdated. The extensibility models haven't changed between versions.

    With a perl script, it's the same as a standard CGI script as described on MSDN. Look for the example \FPSDK\Files\WebBot\wbtest4 in the SDK. If you prefer to use a DLL or shared library, use the BeginWebBotExpand macro which lets you access the bot attributes. In either case, you're going to build a BTL file and call the webbot from HTML like:

    <!-- WEBBOT BOT=name ATTR1="xxx" ATTR2="yyy" -->

    The SDK describes the four ways a webbot can activate. Try to test things client-side first, it's a lot easier. If your webbot fails it will just insert a generic [FrontPage Component name] on the page. Doublecheck the logs in _vti_pvt for the logs, to get hint why things are failing.

    It's oldschool, it works, and it's a simple variant on CGI scripting. Again, for simple things like navigation bars it's a heck of a lot easier to use a design-time dynamic control (client-side webbot, DTC, or add-in). I strongly recommend you consider those instead.

  9. No. by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Informative
    Can anyone point me toward a resource on writing HTML code to make use of FPSE ... without using FrontPage?

    No.

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  10. You *could* pay for frontpage to work, but... by petard · · Score: 2, Informative

    Better hosting will cost you a fraction of what frontpage would for a very long time. And if your time's worth anything, this looks like an even better deal... Try these guys. No setup fee, no monthly fee. You just pay $1 per GB transferred and $0.01/MB/Month for disk space. php and mysql are included. To set up an account, you just transfer some money to them. If you use more bandwidth than you've paid for, they just stop serving your pages, so there's no risk of running up a huge bill if you get slashdotted. I'm not affiliated, just a really happy customer.

    (My experience: I run a lightly used download site there along with a personal bookmark synchronization php/mysql app to share my mozilla bookmarks between machines. I've spent just under $1.50 for credit card fees, transfer and disk space since October.)

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