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Online TV May Be IPTV's First Step

An anonymous reader writes "According to the San Diego Union Tribune Time Warner Cable is letting its customers in San Diego watch live television over their hi-speed internet PCs via 'Online TV'. Time Warner's Broadband TV service (no cost above the min system requirement of cable and hi-speed modem) offers the identical '80 channels that are available with its standard cable TV service.' According to Judy Walsh, Time Warner's San Diego division president, 'It's basically like having another outlet for watching TV. It's TV on your PC. It's that simple.' Is this really the first step towards full-fledged IPTV or is this a service for dad's who can't wrestle the remote control from their kids?"

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  1. groovy by zxnos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if it goes national- instant, precise ratings.

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    1. Re:groovy by Princeofcups · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > if it goes national- instant, precise ratings.

      About as accurate as web page rankings.

      jfs

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    2. Re:groovy by MirrororriM · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That would be kind of nice because then maybe networks would realize that not nearly as many people tune in to reality shows as they think. BUT:

      1) Unfortunately, not everyone uses RoadRunner nor does everyone have it available.

      2) Secondly, not everyone would necessarily watch TV from their computer. They'd...you know...go out in the living room and watch TV.

      3) Lastly, I wouldn't use it because then Time Warner can grab statistical data for their own marketing purposes freely and easily (don't tell me you don't think they would). Thanks, but I don't want to assist them in ways of more accurately targeting advertising to me so they can make more money from their advertising clients. Advertising (to me) == spam and I don't need someone to bombard me with adverts of what I should be buying. That's why I use Adblock with Firefox to begin with.

      I know I know..."you use Adblock, so why worry about it?". That's not the point.

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    3. Re:groovy by forrestt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, I would much rather watch ads for crap I am totally NOT interested in. If they could do better advertisment targeting, they might actually be able to show LESS ads and make the same amount of money (not that they will show less ads, but you never know. If they show 2 ads, and find out I have changed the chanel, they might figure it out.) Besides, I have predicted for years that once the PVR's get more widestream, ads will be IN the show, not between segments (example, someone picks up a Coke and drinks it instead of a 30sec commercial on how good Coke is).

    4. Re:groovy by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good point- Showing me ads for Maxi Pads when they could be showing me ads for beer is a waste of my time and their money.
      I believe what we are forgeting for advertising is product placement. Hey look, Hobie on Baywatch just drank a YooYoo chocolaty drink, now I want one! This is common in films, companies pay to put products in movies all the time. I for one, would never have bought a Pontiac Aztek if it hadn't been featured on Survivor. This can be as simple as a billboard in a wide pan shot or seeing the table ads during a basket ball game, to being as complex as having those two big engine things on the back of the Enterprise being coke cans....
      The advertising world will have to change.... But they will.

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    5. Re:groovy by dspyder · · Score: 2, Funny

      I for one, would never have bought a Pontiac Aztek if it hadn't been featured on Survivor

      Oh so you're the one that bought the Aztek.....

      What, did you buy a Corvette this season?

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    6. Re:groovy by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "if it goes national- instant, precise ratings."

      I'd bet TiVo kills the Nielsens before IPtv has the chance to do so.

      And yes, before anyone tries to correct me, I do know that the Nielsens have a pilot program using TiVos currently. But that's just an "embrace and extend" strategy on their part that will ultimately finish them off. Kinda like how Mozilla killed the original Netscape Navigator, although many would argue it was self inflicted, or a mercy killing.

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  2. First Step? by dsginter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    s this really the first step towards full-fledged IPTV?

    No - the first step will be the licensure of the thousands of obvious patents that have already been filed.

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  3. Cable Packages by tgrimley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think this can ever really take off unless cable companies change their business model to accomodate a la carte selections. As the article intimates, more refined selections of channels would be easier. I just don't really see that happening here.

  4. I had something like this by niskel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My ISP has/had (I don't know, or care, any more) a service like this for a while. Whil not as robust as this, it had ~8 channels. News, Comedy, TechTV/G4, TSN, Much Music and some other stuff. In this situation though, the buffer was always underunning. The picture quality was sub par for even regular streaming video. On top of all this, it was incompatible with anything but Internet Explorer. You could look at he source if you were clever though to get the stream addresses but as a regular consumer service, you shouldn't have to. My experience with Internet TV has been poor so I may be biased, this new service may be great but I'll believe it when I see it.

  5. Finally by periol · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been waiting for something like this to start happening. I don't have a television, don't want a television, don't intend to get one. But I like to watch sports.

    This year, my roommates and I have a subscription with mlbtv.com. For around $70 we get all non-local/national broadcast streamed via either real or windows media. Setup two laptops, forward the appropriate ports and traffic types through the router, and !voila! two baseball games.

    (for those who care, mlb.com checks your IP address to find out where you are, so using a proxy server gets you access to local games)

    If BASEBALL, the most old-fashioned, stodgy sport out there, can stream all games online, there's absolutely no good reason besides stupidity that the NFL, NBA, and other sports don't take advantage of this.

    Just like there's no reason *not* to stream television over the internet. Forget being nice to your customers. How about the extra commercial revenue they'll get from having people online and watching tv at the same time.

    Cable Companies! Stop being stupid and stream your broadcast signals my way.

  6. Re:What is the point or purpose of IPTV? by dsginter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is the point or purpose of IPTV?

    A practical purpose of IPTV is to allow content from anywhere and anyone - not just Big Business. Now, Time Warner is doing this only to prevent such a thing from happening.

    Take, Strong Bad, for example. I would easily pay like $5/year to watch this creativity a couple times per month. What happens if 30 million others feel the same way? Instant negation of Big Business, that is what.

    Time Warner, Comcast, NBC, CBS, Fox and all those others need to be first here or they will be gone in short time.

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  7. I want... by justforaday · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want my IPTV!

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  8. Re:What is the point or purpose of IPTV? by zaren · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As with many other "advances", this technology isn't targeted towards you, dear parent poster. It's targeted to the user that still has their ISP's home page set as their default, who uses their ISP's email as their only email address, and who cheerfully clicks on the "to unsubscribe, click here" links.

    This is meant for those without the technical savvy to install a video card in their computer, or to bother with something as "advanced" as a PVR. It's meant for someone who will just exert themselves enough to sign up for another service and have it handed to them on their existing equipment. If you can sort it all out your way, more power to you. But there's still a ton of computer users out there who can't (or won't), who are happy to let someone else do it for them, and that's why this matters.

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  9. Re:Hrmmm... by JFitzsimmons · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I do agree with you that realplayer is less than desireable, this situation could be much worse. Real does at least have a linux native player, which means that this deal potentially isn't as OS locked to windows as it could have been. Time Warner could have chosen some sort of Microsoft solution, which means there would never be a hope of getting a service on an alternative OS.

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  10. Re:What is the point or purpose of IPTV? by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Can someone enlighten me why IPTV matters?

    IPTV forever frees the broadcasters from the shackles of fair use: with Microsoft's help, they can dictate whatever terms they like for viewing.

    IPTV also frees the system manfacturers from the shackles of competing with an installed base: at any time, they can declare your particular display, computer, hard drive, etc. to be noncompliant and the system will stop working until you upgrade.

    Between these two, it's a Brave New World for two business sectors which were facing market saturation and declining revenues.

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  11. Re:57 channels and nothing on ... by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "No matter which pipe delivers it, TV is still the intellectual equivalent of raw sewage"

    The same is true of books and everything else. Television is subject to Sturgeon's Law no more and no less than everything else. The "smash your television!" mentality is dangerous close to the book-burner's mentality.

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  12. Re:What is the point or purpose of IPTV? by dg41 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're obviously a fan of Homestar Pay Plus!

  13. What's your point? by DogDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RealPlayer

    What's your point? How's it supposed to be delivered to you? What magical piece of software will allow them to deal with security, advertising, etc.?

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  14. An alternate distribution medium by KingSkippus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like the idea of IPTV, but not in the way that it is being used in this article. I'd really like the concepts of networks and channels to pretty much go away, leaving only studios and ISPs.

    As it stands now, studios have to beg and plead networks to carry their programming, and a lot of times, they have to compromise their artistic creativity to pander to the networks' need to sell advertising to sponsors and meet stupid FCC anti-obscenity standards. Consumers have to pick through hundreds of hours of worthless drivel to find a very few priceless gems.

    With IPTV, we could completely cut out the middlemen. We watch and pay for exactly what we want to watch and pay for, tv studios get to make exactly what they want to make, and everyone's happy. Well, everyone except the former network executives, who are used to telling us what we're supposed to like to watch and screwing creative people for the sake of petty power.

  15. Re:What is the point or purpose of IPTV? by Woogiemonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Take, Strong Bad, for example. I would easily pay like $5/year to watch this creativity a couple times per month. What happens if 30 million others feel the same way? Instant negation of Big Business, that is what.

    Millions of people can make their own CDs, but we haven't seen the major record labels "negated" yet. With TV, the major studios are the ones who can supply the cash and resources for sets, special effects, big name actors, etc etc. Although I can imagine there will be a lot more cult followings of low-budget TV shows and the big TV networks will have less control, they'll not have to worry about instant negation. Strong Bad will be bought and whored out like nobody's business long before any one goes out of business.

  16. Re:What is the point or purpose of IPTV? by the_weasel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Take, Strong Bad, for example. I would easily pay like $5/year to watch this creativity a couple times per month. What happens if 30 million others feel the same way? Instant negation of Big Business, that is what.

    Wrong. Instant creation of new big business is what happens. Not negation.

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  17. Re:What is the point or purpose of IPTV? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personally, I like the idea of no longer being bound to the company that owns the coax wire-network in your geographic area. For instance, I live in a Charter area, I have one choice for cable, charter. Now, if there were one or more providers willing to provide their distribution via IP, without requiring me to get my broadband from them (for instance, if I could sign up for Comcast to watch their channels over an existing broadband connection, even though they cant offer physical hookup in my area, that would be great.)

    Its all about choice.