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yali writes "As the heat turns up on the investigation into how an undercover CIA officer's identity was leaked to the press a technology columnist at the SF Chronicle, David Lazarus, shows how easy it is to identify individuals via the Internet. Even with little information, using widely available tools like Google and LexisNexis, it is possible to turn up startlingly relevant details." From the article: "I then went back to Google and got a map of Plame's neighborhood and directions to her home. Google also allowed me to study a high-resolution satellite photo of Plame's house. I could see that the property appears to be in a quiet residential community and looks approachable from all sides. It also offers ready access by car to major thoroughfares."

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  1. And? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the reporter was able to identify her by name and her maiden name. He was also able to dig up information as to where she lives and details regarding their home. What he was unable to do with this search is define what it is Ms. Plame actually did for a living. This information could be dug up via a search of tax records documenting her employer, but even this will not describe responsibilities within that employer. For instance, any W-2s I might have had would say that the listed person was an employee of the State Department or the Central Intelligence Agency but they would not say anything about what job was actually performed.

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    1. Re:And? by Arbin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't know how you got modded as insightful since you obviously didn't read the article. Note the comment in the article where it states:

      "And I now possess all this information simply because I know (from Karl Rove, via Matt Cooper) that Joseph Wilson's wife "apparently works at the agency on WMD issues.""

    2. Re:And? by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Insightful
      She was a NOC, someone with 'non-offical cover'. Some people know what that means, but many apparently don't.

      For those who don't, anything listing her job would have had her working at that CIA front, 'Brewster Jennings & Associates'. Completely unrelated to the government.

      Which also means she was DISAVOWED if she got caught, not sent home with a stern note and public complaints like those with diplomatic immunity pretending to work for the state department.

      Many times spouses of NOCs don't even know who they really work for. Although presumably hers did, considering who he worked for.

      OTOH, you can have great fun outing CIA agents by googling "Brewster Jennings" and seeing who claims to work for them.

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    3. Re:And? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is good for more than spies- we can catch the terrorists this way! Mohammed Atta had no maiden name- I can tell you that without even doing a search. If someone had only told me he was going to commit a terrorist attack, I could have gone to Google and gotten a hi res aerial photo of the crappy apartment where he was living.

      I like how Bush put it: "Commissioner, if I had known that Arab terrorists were going to hijack airliners and fly them into the World Trade Center, I would have done everything I could to stop that." And to think, he could have easily prevented the attacks by typing "Mohammed Atta" into Google!

    4. Re:And? by jfengel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man, how come I never have mod points when I want them? This is an angle I hadn't realized. It's not just Plame who was outed, but everybody at "Brewster Jennings".

    5. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > you can have great fun outing CIA agents by googling "Brewster Jennings" and seeing who claims to work for them.

      And numerous eastern european spook agencies where Plame worked for all those years have already done this. I'm sure they've also looked through their past records to find who met with who from that company a few years back.

      I remember back shortly after this Plame story first broke way back when, a friend of a friend said the rumors going over on the Hill (take with whatever salt you feel necessary) said as many as 70 of our sources had vanished. If that's true, most of them probably went into hiding, the remainder would have gotten quietly "picked up." Either way, they're not talking to our people anymore.
      It's dangerous being an informant for a foreign government, especially when that government's spy agencies can be jerked around like this by some half-ass political hack like Karl Rove, the Mayberry Machiavelli.

    6. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Thats part of the point.
      Plames W2's were for a company called Brewster Jennings & Associates which realy was a front for the CIA. Not only was Plame outted (putting any associates or co-workers who may have been working with her in jepordy) but a covert front for the CIA was outted as well. Now anyone armed with the knowledge that Brewster Jennings & Associates is really a CIA front could go through W-2's looking for anyone employed by this company and essentially out dozens of CIA covert ops.

    7. Re:And? by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, apparently we're in luck, because Brewster Jennings wasn't used a 'real' cover identity when abroad. When she visited other countries, she probably used another cover company. (The CIA does not want to talk about exactly how it operates NOCs, unsupringly.)

      Of course, that doesn't gain anyone anything. Brewster Jennings was just located because it was on her FEC filing.

      Other countries know damn well who she claimed to be working for when she visited them, and they've 'googled' those names, too. (And they have search capablities that makes google look like an paper encyclopedia.)

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    8. Re:And? by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful
      She claimed to be working for Brewster Jennings in 1999 when she filed public documents with the FEC.

      That's being covert right there. Her cover was still there.

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    9. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Couple that with her marriage to a high profile ambassador and it becomes highly improbable that she was NOC.
      Funny. Before we officially learned it was Karl Rove (although unofficially, everyone knew since 2003), nobody ever denied she was NOC. It's only now when they are caught under oath to be the culprits do you hear this "she wasn't NOC" nonsense coming from every conservative talking head on every major talk show in America.

      I've been following this since 2003, when Bush was saying how awful it was that somebody had done this, and presumably turned his head and winked, just as with the Swift Boat people, or what he did to McCain in 2000, or any other of these dirty tricks.

      Karl Rove is a logical extension of Richard Nixon's people. He started out working with his good friend Lee Atwater. That's really all you have to know about any of this.
    10. Re:And? by sneakers563 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that. Think about all the people in foreign countries that had contact with her, maybe even worked with her. Now suppose those people live in countries with not-so-friendly, not-so-concerned-with-human-rights governments. What about them? Make no mistake: outing an agent doesn't just consign them to a desk job for the rest of their lives. In some ways, they're the ones least affected by it. It endangers the lives of countless others in very real ways.

    11. Re:And? by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 5, Insightful
      OTOH, you can have great fun outing CIA agents by googling "Brewster Jennings" and seeing who claims to work for them.
      Actually, that's the real problem with the "outing" of Valerie Plame. Brewster, Jennings was a great CIA asset, with close ties to ARAMCO and other major oil companies and ministries. Now it is useless as a front for US intelligence.
      What's the problem with this? Well, there's been a lot of talk of oil production having reached its peak and begun its decline. Financial Times recently reported that the Saudis had admitted that OPEC oil production won't be able to meet world demand within 20 years.
      I don't know whether petroleum production has yet reached its peak and started to decline, and I don't know when OPEC will not be able to meet world demand. Wouldn't it be nice if at this time of uncertainty, the USA had some kind of asset capable of investigating these things from up close?
      Too bad a political vendetta destroyed major intelligence assets that could have helped with just that.
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    12. Re:And? by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The fact that Wilson's wife did work for the CIA, and even more, that she was the one that recommended him for the trip to Niger (not the Vice President like Wilson claimed), is very relevent to the story because it proves Wilson lied about his trip. It is already known that he lied about his trip findings, and now the very genesis of the trip was a lie as well.

      That's what Rove claims. The guy who told reporters about her to descredit Wilson, all for covering up what we now know were lies. Which is what Wilson said from the start. How convenient for you to ignore all of that. Face it, Iraq did not buy or even intend to buy yellowcake from Niger, and the White House knew it. And they lied about that. And then Rove did what he always does.

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  2. Hard to tell.. by shakezula · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Which is more scary, that privacy in general is a hard to obtain or that the Internet makes it readily available to anyone with too much time on their hands.

    I guess if privacy wasn't such a commodity, it wouldn't come as a shock when disrupted.

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  3. Next Stop: Mandatroy Information Pollution by Phoenixhunter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The wonderful thing about the World Wide Web, the Information Super Highway, the Net, etc, is its ability to provide an enormous amount of information (duh). Compliments of those companies, groups, and otherwise who have developed means to mining this information, it is becoming far easier to find information you're looking for, cross-reference it, and filter out the garbage/noise/conspiracy theorists.

    Information Pollution, one of Arthur C. Clarke's insights pointed out some years back, that a time would come when the amount of noise within that enormous repository of information would become detrimental. In this case, the government might seek to inject as much contradictory information as it can.

  4. The three monkeys by elgee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is no guarantee, but to maximize your privacy, you must say nothing, do nothing, and be nothing.

  5. On Nomenclature: by NoTheory · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The idiocy of the argument that Rove hasn't done something illegal because he only referred to Plame as Wilson's wife is underscored by articles like this. Whether he referred to her by name, or by a unique association to someone else (who is easily searchable) still picks out a unique individual, and thus still identifies her.

    Likewise, I'd go to jail just the same if i was threatening the life of George Bush or the President of the United states.

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    1. Re:On Nomenclature: by jafac · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Actually, the reason Rove hasn't done anything illegal is because Plame was not a clandestine agent when her name was revealed. In fact she hadn't been a covert agent for several years before her name was revealed. Also, Plame was never a deep cover NOC.

      Not true. The Washington Times article is wrong. Wilson said that she was no longer covert the day Novak wrote the article - or rather, Novak's article caused her to lose her cover.

      This was made plain by Larry Johnson (who's making the press-rounds this week) who is a former CIA employee who knew Val P, and knew her to be a NOC, and confirms that Novak compromised her identity.

      The misinformation that she was not NOC is just a dust-up to provide cover for Rove. Not only did Rove break the law, but he compromised National Security - and clearly broke the rules that EVERY cleared person signs when they get a clearance.

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  6. Technology is a sword .... by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've heard this a LOT ...
    Technology is like a sword or a gun

    It's used and misused by both sides
    Or in other words, you can do Evil with Google maps. But that doesn't make Google maps evil (maybe CIA might not see it that well).

    Essentially it lets me peek at a street address in NYC sitting here in Bangalore. I can plan and co-ordinate my ops to snuff out someone - especially if the operatives are expendable. Recon became a lot easier , especially of the aerial map kind.

    <sarcasm> How long before we hear that a terrorist attack was planned using Google Maps ? </sarcasm>
  7. $GOOGLE_RM_FUNCTION ( "Sarah Conner" ) by digital+photo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine if the Terminator had access to the net, as it is now. "Taking Out" all Sarah Conners within a given mile radius is a simple matter of mapping software, addressbooks, and a name+area to target.

    Now, you could locate and plan "events" around individuals throughout the US/world.

    No need for super computers... with a few PCs and access to the various API's on the net, you too can have your own war-room and tactical planning system.

  8. You're Right: And... Nothing by cmholm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jesus, could this "story's" headline be any less thought out? When Adm. Poindexter was leading the Total Information Awareness project, this sort of digital dumpster diving was news three years ago. If someone wants to report on something fresh, they'll need to exploit search engines to find agents when you don't know who they are.

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  9. Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak

    haw haw haw! better luck next time, Dems.

  10. In other news, George Bush' wife is named Laura by sharkb8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I doesn't matter that the author was able to look her name in Google. He had to find out that she was a covert operative before he would know to look her up.

    And for what it's worth, it would have been faster to look in "Who's Who in Washington". It list Joseph Wilson, and that he is married to Valerie Wilson. However, nothing this writer looked up told him that she was a covert operative.

    THe information he found had nothing to do with her status at the CIA. He knew who someone was and looked up their name. I can see it now:

    NEXT ON FOX: covert CIA operatives' cover busted by... COLLEGE FACEBOOKS. COULD IT HAPPEN TO YOU?

  11. Re:easy to blow the entire CIA front firm too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I'm curious what evidence you've looked at. What I've seen is:

    • Karl Rove was told Plame worked for the CIA by the media.
    • Joe Wilson admits his wife wasn't undercover.
    • CIA agent who helped train Plame claims she wasn't undercover.
    • Andrea Mitchell admits it was widely known in DC circles that Plame was CIA.
    • Plame's "deep cover" consisted of working at a company which only existed on paper, while driving everyday to CIA's office in Langley.


    Perhaps if the CIA didn't want that front company exposed they shouldn't have sent a partisan hack to Niger and then allowed him to lie about it in the NYT.

  12. Stating the obvious by sheldon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So Karl Rove told Cooper(and probably Novak) that she was CIA.

    Someone looking up Valerie Wilson(aka Plame) to find out where she worked, would find her working at 'Brewster Jennings & Associates'. But being the intelligent sort, they would go "Hmm, didn't Novak say she was CIA?" and by logical extension they'd arrive at the conclusion that 'Brewster Jennings & Associates' was a CIA front, or at the very least it had been infiltrated by CIA.

    The point being... the problem wasn't leaking Wilson's wifes name. The problem was linking her to the CIA.

    1. Re:Stating the obvious by protohiro1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An all expenses trip to the lovely resort nation of Niger!! Man, that is so great! How can I get that job? I wish I had a wife and the agency that could get me a free trip to "one of the poorest countries in the world, a landlocked Sub-Saharan nation, whose economy centers on subsistence crops, livestock, and some of the world's largest uranium deposits" Almost as nice as free trip to play golf at St Andrews or the beaches of Tahiti.

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  13. Philip Agee and Identifying CIA agents by billstewart · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Philip Agee (interview about Plame/Wilson affair) worked for the CIA from 1957-1968, and left because he disagreed with what the CIA was doing - assassinations, overthrowing governments that weren't politically convenient for the US, supporting Latin American , that sort of thing. In 1975, he wrote a book "Inside the Company: CIA Diary" about his experiences there, which the CIA tried to prevent from being published, and sometime around that time he wrote about how to identify CIA agents from publicly available information - things like the kinds of jobs at US embassies or US military bases that were usually CIA agents. (Imagine if Google had been available back then!) Barbara Bush accused Agee of being a traitor, and George H.W. Bush got Congress to pass a law making it illegal to out CIA agents, and the US and its allies revoked his passport, making it harder for him to travel. I heard Agee speak at Berkeley in ?1979? - very interesting character.

    The Don't-Out-CIA-Agents law that was passed to bust future Agees is now being used to possibly bust G.W.Bush's henchmen, probably his handler Karl Rove. The law makes it more illegal if you have access to classified information (which Rove does, but may or may not have used) and use that to reveal the identity of covert agents, but also makes it illegal to out them using publicly available information.

    The White House has been weasel-wording about "Rove didn't tell Cooper Plame's name, just that she was Wilson's wife", but not only does the law talk about identifying people, not just specifically naming them, but somehow Novak, Cooper, and probably Judith Miller all found out she was an agent, so it wasn't just a "casual remark" intended to "correct mistaken impressions" - it was a well-organized campaign, and Novak apparently talked to two different Administration sources. Not only is Rove guilty, but he's trying to cover it up.

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  14. Re:Real smart, David Lazarus. by Staplerh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's remember that this is the NYT reporter who wrote stories citing that anonymous sources knew that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    Oh, well by all means, then let's just have her thrown to the wolves then eh? Despite her other stories, the fact remains that Judith Miller is willing to take prison time for the sake of her professional ethics. I consider her reporting on the WMDs in Iraq to be incidental to the case - and a whole other bag of proverbial worms.

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  15. Karl Rove's Address: by deliciousmonster · · Score: 0, Insightful
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  16. The Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    IANAL:

    However, the media has stated time and time again that the law applies to outing a covert agent within 5 years of the agent being overseas. Valerie Plame stopped field work when she came back to the US on her last rotation, she then got married to Wilson and had twins. She worked at the Langley office as an analyst for the past six years. So I doubt anyone broke the law here. She is not technically an active NOC.

    Even then, who is the NYTimes reporter protecting? I mean she's the one sitting in a prison (albeit a nice modern one with common areas and plexi glass doors instead of bars) refusing to testify to the grand jury. She sure as heck is NOT protecting Rove of all people! Also, what about Robert Novack? He's the one who first published Plame's name! Why hasn't he been questioned by the grand jury yet?

  17. Re:Real smart, David Lazarus. by demachina · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, this is a compeltely overblown attempt at sensationalism, and its just another embarrassment for Slashdot editors that they bit. Lazarus isn't exposing anything beyond finding someones address in a phone book(or if its unlisted in some other public database), and I image the Wilson's address is widely known at this point. Its not exactly top secret, that once you find someones address, you can get directions or an aerial photo in this day and age. News at 11.....we have this thing called the Internet where you can get maps and photos these days. If you've ever contributed to a political campaign, your name, I think address and how much you gave is online now too.

    The only confidential information involved in this whole pitch was that Plame was a CIA agent and THAT was probably not in any public records until Bob Novak published it in a newspaper, probably thanks to Karl Rove or his friends in the White House for leaking that fact to him. Whomever was spreading it around that she was a CIA agent was the only one guilty of anything here, and that was a very low tech ancient offense, leaking and smearing.

    The Judith Miller case is potentially interesting though. Maybe she is a crusading journalist fighting for a first ammendment right to protect sources which is the angle most media outlets pitch since she is one of their own. But there are two alternate explanations floating around that are plausible, more interesting, but hard to prove:

    A. Judith Miller was a key inciter of the WMD charges against Iraq and Saddam Hussein. She made her career frothing up a panic about the dangers of chemical and biological weapons, and she did half the Bush administrations work for them in trying to build a case that Saddam was an imminent danger to the U.S. because he had them so had to be taken down (at GREAT cost to the U.S. in blood, gold and respect). At this point it appears Miller's multiyear WMD crusade against Saddam was totally wrong. In some circles her career as a journalist is in ruin, because she was both wrong, and looks like a patsy for the Bush administration. Some think she went to jail with glee in an attempt to salvage her reputation by playing the martyr.

    B. The second alternate is that Miller is hiding more than just her source. There are indications that her source already released her from any need to maintain confidentiality, so there is a question as to why she still is. One hypothesis is that Miller may have been one of the earlier people who found out Plame was a CIA agent and she may have been calling people, like Karl Rove and saying, "Did you know Joe Wilson's wife is a CIA agent specializing in WMD and sent him on the mission", and people like Rove were repeating something Miller told them, not leaking to Miller. If thats the case, though its a bit of a long shot, then she could be charged for blowing Plame's cover and she might refusing to testify to the grand jury not to protect her source but to protect herself, and in a way that is less obvious than pleading the fifth.

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  18. Re:non-story by tthomas48 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No you again are missing the point about CIA operatives. They don't generally go under cover as completely different people with different names, lives, children. It's not like the movies.
    CIA agents generally work in legitimate fields (like owning a business), that gives them access to useful people and information. They can be themselves and learn this information. It just becomes a problem if others learn that they really work for the CIA.

  19. Damn you're good by ehiris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now please locate Osama for us.

  20. Re:Google Me This, Batman by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a crock. If Rove is protecting the US national security, his job, he responds to questions from reporters asking about a CIA WMD operative with "I don't know", not "she's CIA/WMD". Regardless of his political gain, Rove cannot, as a White House employee, even confirm that someone is CIA, especially during the run up to a war over WMD. That violates national security, that is treason. Rove might have been smart enough not to pick an enemy protected by the laws so far discussed, but he cannot do what he clearly did. And he cannot then lie to the public, claiming "I had nothing to do with it", when he clearly did.

    So you go ahead apologizing for Rove's selfserving attack on a CIA agent. You go ahead patronizing a guy attacking our WMD intelligence system as cover for lies about Iraqi uranium purchases that never existed. You go ahead running cover for the people we have protecting us, who instead lie to invade countries they prefer, instead of finishing the legitimate invasions they're piggybacking on. Go ahead, because you're a traitor too.

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  21. Consider this... by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The reason why there is a special prosecutor is because the CIA asked the justice department to investigate the alleged violation. Atty General John Ashcroft took a look at the allegations and decided that is was worth investigating. It was Ashcroft that assigned Fitzgerald as the special prosecutor.

    Pundits and Politicos can argue over whether she was a NOC or not, but the CIA apparently thought a violation occurred, and I trust they would know her status.

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  22. Why is this on slashdot? by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So if you know a CIA agent's real name you can find out more things about them by searching public records, just like you can for any other american.

    Wow.

    Here is something else I found out -- if you know the address of a buried treasure you can get a nice map from google with directions to that address. So the internet can be used to search for buried treasure. Amazing!

    Seriously, Slashdot editors should be smarter than this.

  23. PLAME WAS NOT UNDERCOVER by thelizman · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm not suprised slashdot got this wrong. The New York Times reported on this issue over a year ago. Plames cover was believed to have been blown when Aldrich Ames sold NOC lists to the Russians in 1994. Three years later, the CIA recalled her. She hasn't been undercover for years.