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Firefox Gains on IE Again in June
kurtz_tan writes "Infoworld reported that Firefox increased its market share to 8.71 percent, up from 8 percent in May, while IE's share shrank to 86.56 percent from 87.23 percent. This is according to NetApplications.com. Since the beginning of the year, Firefox has increased its market share every month between 0.5 percent and 1 percent, mostly at the expense of IE. This means Firefox would cross the 10% market share by October."
Does this combine Mozilla Suite(Seamonkey) & Firefox data, or is it being separated?
What prevents OEMS from installing Firefox much like Sony and others did with NS? Granted MS would love to charge those companies more, but wouldn't those companies save in support costs?
When you in single percents it's easy to gain a couple more.
:-)
Linux is gaining on Windows for 14 years now and still is in single digits
The real test will be when the new IE 7 comes out... I predict (and hope) that FireFox will continue to gain even when the "new and improved" IE get's here. http://www.getfirefox.com/
www.w3schools.com changed the way it shows browser statistics?
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They are saying that FF use is decreasing.
Maybe because Bill is worried about this and...
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.
As everyday mom and pop users depend on Firefox instead of IE for browsing and more companies support Firefox, more exploits and holes will start to show up. I'm just glad that they update it frequently. Theres nothing like safe and secure browsing. It also means that more people will look to FOSS solutions. I have to admit, Firefox got me started.
I am pretty sure that the current browser war will evolve, in a decade or less, in a war of Web application development with the browsers' supported proprietary extensions. Web developers will harness the power of XUL in combination with Javascript, and Microsoft will either push ActiveX or rather than promote a framework seen as inherently insecure, design a new Web application development framework, perhaps based on .NET and Longhorn technologies.
Competition is good, as long as the customer doesn't lose out. My bet is that XUL will prevail due to its ease of reach ...
Ok.... This month's stats on one of the websites I host:
Browsers Grabber Hits Percent
MS Internet Explorer No 204332 65 %
Firefox No 87210 27.7 %
As compiled by AWStats from the Apache logs. Last update less than an hour ago. Next runner up in that list is Opera, with about 10,000 hits this month. Those numbers are compiled from a total of just over 314,000 "hits" this month. (hits, not visits. a hit is a page/image request)
I think the numbers are a little leaner than reality, because FF is better at blocking junk. The source in question uses hit tracking from one of its ad affiliates, HitsLink.com. That particular site has been in my DNS blacklist for over a year, and I'm sure that at least some of its content is getting blocked by the myriad of adblocker plugins in Firefox.
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Please remember that this 8.71 percent comes from a study of mostly north-american websites (NetApplication clients).
A similar study is done each month in Europe and the figures are quite different:
src: XiTi
They are already "working* on IE. Firefox is the reason your (presumably) beloved XP SP2 has a lot of the features it has. Firefox is the reason longhorn will have IE7 and not a patched IE6. Firefox is the reason IE7 will have "tabbed browsing" (haha... anyway...).
MS has put many programming hours into IE; the fact that you don't know about it is reason enough to believe MS to be inept.
No wonder MS isn't worried that much. it has stockholders like you who don't pay attention and don't know any better. It thrives on fools like you
What about all the people that think AOL is the internet? Are they counted in that (since AOL uses IE)? :-)
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I'm still waiting for the day when Opera releases a version of their browser that identifies by default as Opera instead of IE. It will be really interesting to see how much this impacts both IE's and Opera's market stats.
For a lot of people thier bookmarks represent a lot of work - work they do not want to go through again.
I think they were spot-on in saying that's exactly why so many people have been able to adopt Firefox. That's the key term, "able" - it's not a feature that brings them over (you mentioned those), but it's an enabing feature that does not STOP them from switching.
Similarily I agree that a Linux distro that would copy Windows app settings and emulate, as closely as possible, the users Windows desktop, would lead to a lot of switchers. Especially from people who could breathe new life into an old and probably spyware-ridden computer through a lighter Linux install.
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So you're giving Microsoft the credit for the Firefox team's work? I'm sorry, but this upsets me. The "it is from Microsoft so they know they can trust it" comments did wrestle a chuckle out of me, though. But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, can't you be sued for doing this (by either M$ or Mozilla)? Not that I'd wish that upon you, I'm just bringing it to your attention.
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It will take six months for firefox to make the changes needed to work with Longhorn. In that time every Longhorn user will go back to IE, because there is no way to use longhorn without IE, the usage of Firefox will drop from 40% to 20%. And even though security will be terrible, because the user will not know if they are in a secure zone. Computer techs are free to install other browsers, but that will not help as the user will actually have to start the browser, rather than just using what is already on the desktop.
By the time MS is once again convicted to anti trust behavior in 2013, Firefox will be down to 5%, and MS will have had most Firefox developers sent to jail for treason against the holy capitalist deity. MS will have to donate Longhorn to every school in the country, which will hammer the final nail into the coffin of the non-MS rebellion.
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Internet Extreme is only for my 'saaviest' of clients, the clients who can name thier computer by its model year, and use MicrosoftXP. Still most of these clients come to see the light of Firefox with a little sit down walk through.
But some people insist on using IE (you know hurting themselves) and those are the ones I reserve IEx for. It gives them a little peace of mind, and a lot of safety. I can't drive out 30 miles every weekend to work on the same infestations that nuke an unprotected system on broadband week after week. Its sort of like that folders commercial, I'll tell them eventually.
yeah I might get sued, i never really thought about it much though considering the total number of IEx users is less than 5.
No, you're not thinking badly at all, in my opinion. Which obviously leads to the question - will microsoft try to obfuscate/encrypt/whatever those informations on the next IE version in order to make it difficult for other browsers to import it?
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They don't have to understand it, it'll still spread like an urban myth. In other words, FUD works both ways.
Conventional wisdom puts the tipping point (where asshat IE-only 'Web developers') have to stop using all the invisible frame garbage, etc., they use in building thin-client IE interfaces at about 15%.
Some corporate workers who have to use helpdesk software (I think Network Associates Magic is in this list), etc., that only runs correctly with IE will rejoice when that happens.
At least some banking/credit union application software even requires IE, such as CU software from Summit Information Systems. Bad news is that I was forwarded some mail from a Summit security guy, outlining the dangers, and nobody at Summit cared. Not dev, not management, not anybody. He either left, or was fired.
The perfect place to use something so frequently attacked by password sniffers, etc., eh?
You're right, of course, but it would be most interesting if a software package such as Firefox could follow the course of the iPod-- be a huge success not because it is a bigger or geekier music player, but because it is a better designed music player, and cool, hip, a status symbol, etc et al whatever. So will Firefox grow just because it is more pleasant? Will it grow becuase it becomes chic?
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At my day job, I'm trying out the AWStats log file analyzer. Its a fairly large e commerce site, so that's about 3 gigs of access logs per day.
IE usage is about 10%
Firefox is about 4.8%
Other Mozilla/Netscape/Camino family browsers are about 2 %
Safari is about 1%
Opera is less common than WebTV! [on par with phone browsers]
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I've been in many situations with freinds (NON-tech freinds, I have no techie freinds. Well one, but I haven't seen him in months) where people start talking about some subject or another, and get stuck on a question, or not knowing about something - and I show them that they can go to wikipedia and look it up, and what responses do I get? They wish they knew that was there before. And proceed to use the site more when they want/need info.
Now, in the above post that you were applying to, I did not suggest anything forceful. I wasn't even really being serious - however I think it is a stupid think just to skin FF to look like IE, tell people it's IEx, and leave them with that, Sure, they may not give a fuck about computers - but if they like the program they like the experience they get from using computers. And, it follows that if they knew that the browser that they were using was free, and freely modifiable, and that there were hoardes of other, high-quality software that they could use that include tons of extra features and are also free, maybe they would BE INCLINED TO CHECK THAT OUT AS WELL. BECAUSE THEY GOT A BETTER EXPERIANCE FROM THIS ONE PIECE OF SOFTWARE.
For instance - I know a few people who use a bunch of IM progs. MSN, yahoo, AIM, and the lot. I show them gaim, and they love it. You know why they weren't using it before? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KONW IT EXISTED. Also, it never occured to them that it would even be possible to have all the conversations from different IM protocols in one window. Now they use gaim - and they still don't give a fuck about computers, but they're getting a better experiance from them. And now they have in their heads a little notion that "Hey this program is way better and way more efficient than the one I was using before - maybe there are other ones like it."
I like learning about computers, and all the learning that I have done about them I have accomplished through the computer. I don't remember how I figured out that I could do that, but I assume it was just a logical conclusion after the discovery of search engines. However, there is tons of software that I use now that took me a while to find out about, and tons of info that I could have learned much faster if someone would have pointed me in the right direction instead of me having to figure it out for myself.
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Anyway, we've got IE down to like 79% now. Guess it sorta' goes to show you that if you actually WANT to learn about computers, you're alot more likely to choose Firefox (15%) or Mozilla (3%).
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Well, thought the place I work at have blocked firefox for 2-3 months now, after a lot of pressure from the developement community of the office, they will mostly install it back - at least for the IT people.
But this has more to do with the strength of certain FF extensions like Webdeveloper Tool etc than the security provided by Firefox! Now this is something new, and if this trend continues elsewhere, FF can gain some more share - if not for its own strength, than on the strength of its extensions!!
I submitted this article from MSNBC (was rejected last week) the most interesting part is it calims that Firefox and other browsers are now at 18% of all adult US users. This was a random phone survey with a margin of error of 2%. I think it is some of the best data on the penetration of alternative browsers and something people could use to back up decisions to not just support IE. 20% if the market is not an amount that can be ignored.
/. won't take.
PS if you think you've seen this comment before, i posted it once already. It's a good article with pretty hard stats on Firefox and other's market share that
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Since there are 60% Windows 2000 out there, and 11% Windows 98SE too!
Your Longhorn will at best put a 1% dent in the first year (or whats left of a year).
Not enough to stop the steady but absolutely sure eroding slide of Internet Explod^Hrer's market share.
The only way out the Microsoft conudrum is to FIX INTERNET EXPLORER right the first time, on all Windows platforms (oh, and Mac as well; Oh, didn't IE appear on Sun/OS?).
Any economist can tell you that when your infrastructure is eroding due to lack of maintenance, it will REACH the point of no-return due to inaction.
Larger the infrastructure or user-installed base, the larger the inertia of motion required to change the tide. Me think, this is what occurred to IE.