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Hot Coffee Content Within GTA Confirmed
Gamespot has confirmed, via a long and involved process, that the PS2 version of GTA: San Andreas contains the 'Hot Coffee' content. This essentially means that Rockstar was untruthful when it previously stated the content was added by a modder, but "Given that the minigame is about as raunchy as an episode of Sex and the City, cannot be accessed without entering a long string of cheat codes, and takes several hours of effort to access, charges that San Andreas is 'pornographic' may seem extreme to some."
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All you have to do in order to prove this content wasn't actually added by the mod is to take a savegame from GTA: San Andreas with the "Hot Coffee" mod installed and run it on an install of San Andreas that doesn't have the mod installed. You'll notice the sex scenes are still in the game even though it isn't modded. I mentioned this awhile ago... on my own website
It started back in Team Fortress Classic
All this has proved is how shitty the ESRB rating system is. It's not the system the industry wanted it was forced on it by the government.
The government mandated a ratings system as a result of games like Mortal Kombat, so that parents would have an idea of the content of a game before determining if it was appropriate for their kids. This was a GOOD idea. The government said "create your own rating system, or we will create one for you."
I saw the proposal, and it looked like 4 or 5 thermometers indicating things like how much violence, sexuality, swearing was in the game. There was nothing there that indicated an "age", you just got a clear indicator of the content and then as a parent you could decide if it was appropriate.
The government rejected it! They didn't want a clear rating system, they wanted an easy, one-size-fits-none rating system that looked good on paper. You can rate a game, slap a simple logo in the corner that's easily reduced for ads, and you have something that looks good on a chart that you can show you legislated the problem out of existence. No one has to think, just let the sticker do the parenting and everyone's happy.
So now here we are, arguing over if something is appropriate for an 18 year old but not a 17 year old. I hate how our fucking government works. It's all a big game for them, do the least amount, flashiest work that keeps the constituents happy. I wish there was a rating system for fucking politicians:
C (C Corporations only)
D (Demagogue)
I (Incompetent for any purpose)
> The government mandated a ratings system as a result of games like Mortal Kombat
ESRB ratings are absolutely "voluntary". Industry pressure effectively has the force of law, but no one can be legally prohibited from selling their game for not submitting it to ratings.
The same goes for MPAA ratings on movies. Lots of indie flicks never get rated, and even the occasional mass market release goes through without rating. It doesn't seem to affect marketability these days.
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Second, the "thermometer" rating system was a rival system proposed by another game-rating organization, the RSAC. It was used on PC games for a few years, but it ultimately failed to take off since (for better or worse) the market preferred a system uniform with the video game rating system and with clear-cut age restrictions. The government had nothing to do with its success or failure.
I'll save you time. Here's Rockstar's statement.
Every single time, Rockstar stated, "altering the game's source code". They never said the content wasn't in there. That was a complete misinterpretation of their statement.
What they said was the equivalent of saying, "We did not distribute porn to kids. The claims that we did were the equivalent of a bunch of guys who broke a window, climbed in to our locked house, raided every drawer and closet, finally found our safe, spent hours cracking it, and finally found the porn that, sure, we owned, but we never made even slightly accessible to kids."
The best you can legitimately claim is that, like most people seem to do, Rockstar told the absolute truth but just the very specific version of it that painted them in the best light.
Unfortunately, a bunch of people who don't understand the difference between accessible [if hidden behind certain secret areas] content and content that's absolutely walled and locked off from any user no matter how they interact with the game short of figuratively breaking and entering with tools unavailable to regular users, misinterpretted that statement.
And now others who apparently don't understand computers (or don't bother to actually read the original statement) come out and make more false assumptions.
This is about comparable to SCO saying "Linux isn't fit for even late night TV" under the grounds its source code is legendarily full of profanities. You don't actually see any of them when you run Linux but, just as inaccurately, SCO can claim they exist and therefore children shouldn't be allowed to use it.
Is this really a direction we want to encourage through our own misunderstandings? Come on slashdot, we're supposed to be more intelligent than that.
There are 18 games with an AO rating.
Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
Everyone is using such loaded words to describe this.
Yes, it exists within the code of the game. However, it is DISABLED. Without modifying the game in an unintended way (save game modification) it is inacessable. The cheat codes they are talking about are using game enhancement devices, not controller codes.
The question is.. is it in the 'game' if it's not actually part of the game like that? is Crocomire in Metroid Zero Mission? Is a placeholer model that ended up being sent with the full version that isn't actually used 'in the game'?
See, the thing is: the rating is supposed to represent what a person would experience playing the game. The sex scenes are NOT what a person would experience playing the game, unless you use the hot coffee mod to do it on purpose, after finding out about it.
Basically, here's what I think: The product of "Grand Theft AUto: San Andreas" (ie, the box the disk etc everything included) includes it, it is on the disc. But, the GAME does not.
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We had the "good one". The software industry developed several game rating systems in response to the the Video Game Rating Act of 1994. The two major ones were the familiar ESRB rating system and another rating system developed by the Recreational Software Advisory Council (RSAC).
The RSAC system is the one you describe that used the thermometer style markings. The rating system had 5 levels in the areas of Violence, Nudity/Sex, and Language.
For a while, both systems were in use, and I remember quite clearly the thermometers on game boxes. However, the RSAC rating system was phased out in favor of the ESRB system, and the RSAC no longer exists as a game rating entity.
It's no mystery why this shift occured. The ESRB was established with the cooperation of both Nintendo and SEGA, and large merchants, like Toys 'R Us, would only carry games that were ESRB rated.
Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
It sounds like an Easter Egg not a mod: "cannot be accessed without entering a long string of cheat codes, and takes several hours of effort to access".
That's what it sounded to me, too, so I read TFA. It's not a long string of cheat codes, it's manipulation of internal variables using Action Replay, ie an external tool. In my eyes, that makes all the difference.
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