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Google and Microsoft Lob More Lawsuits

crowemojo writes "According to a Business Week article Google has filed a counter-suit against Microsoft in reaction to the lawsuit that Microsoft filed when a corporate VP left to join the ranks of Google. Microsoft claims that the VP violated his non-compete agreement and Google claims that Microsoft is violating California laws giving workers the right to change jobs. Interestingly enough, the VP in question never lived in California!"

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  1. Just because he went to Google by 901701 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Mr. Burt of Microsoft said the company had been aware of Dr. Lee's interest in returning to China but was unable to offer him a leadership position there that is senior enough to suit his desires
    So he found a job to suit his desires elsewhere. Does anyone think Microsoft would be making this big a deal if it wasn't Google that hired him?
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    1. Re:Just because he went to Google by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Informative

      For those who dont know: MS crippled Borland by offering their *TOP* 40 engineers *DOUBLE* their salaries to work at MS. Borland products which were once the industry standard began a rapid descent, and have been garbage ever since, with MS's Visual suite taking their place.

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    2. Re:Just because he went to Google by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      For those who dont know: MS crippled Borland by offering their *TOP* 40 engineers *DOUBLE* their salaries to work at MS.

      But did the Borland engineers have a non-compete clause in their contract?

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    3. Re:Just because he went to Google by Taladar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, how can a contract clause saying "when you quit you can not work in this industry for x months" be legal? Isn't that a serious hole in basic worker rights?

    4. Re:Just because he went to Google by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Seriously, how can a contract clause saying "when you quit you can not work in this industry for x months" be legal?

      I personally think that it shouldn't, but I think each state has to determine for itself whether it will allow such. These non-compete clauses got pretty popular during the dot-com era, when people were changing jobs every six months and raising their income by 50% every time. I think with today's employment situation, particularly in IT, these clauses should all be nullified.

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    5. Re:Just because he went to Google by MooseByte · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Is there some kind of law against this or do people just like to keep bringing it up like there is something wrong with it."

      In this case it's the gold standard for irony that makes it so appealing to point out - MS poached the top layers of Borland like a drunken duck hunter, dozens upon dozens of top staff. And suddenly MS doesn't like it being done to themselves. Waaah.

      Corporate karma is a bitch, and MS's corporate karma is in heat.

  2. Conflict of Interest by everphilski · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dr. Lee had signed a Non Disclosure / Non Compete form in Washington. He helped Microsoft open an office in China and supposedly has knowlege of search technologies at Microsoft.

    Dr. Lee is now opening a office for Google in China. Google happens to be a big player in the search world.

    That violates a non-compete agreement which is binding in the state in which it was signed. It will also be difficult for him to operate in his current job without violating his non-disclosure.

    -everphilski-

  3. CA dreamin' by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Regarding his not living in CA...

    "In its complaint, Google argues California laws should apply because its headquarters -- and most of its nearly 4,200 workers -- are in the state. What's more, Google said Lee already is registered to vote in California, pays taxes in the state and plans to buy a Silicon Valley home."

  4. Bad for Microsoft recruiting? by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems like a bad move for Microsoft. They already seem to have a hard time finding people willing to work for them. Every Microsoftie that I have talked to recently says that their groups are short headcount or have open headcount and haven't been able to fill positions for quite a while.

    Who wants to work for a company that will sue you when you move on to a new, more exciting job?

  5. Not illegal contracts by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are a ton of illegal contracts out there, signed and unsigned. Almost all apartment rental contracts in California that I have seen, mine and others, have illegal clauses, such as requiring a cleaning deposit. Or the apartment itself is illegal, bedrooms without windows, no occupancy permit or even building permit, etc.

    Illegal contracts, or at least the illegal clauses within them, can't be enforced.

    Just because he signed a contract doesn't make it enforceable.

  6. coming soon.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    law.google.com

  7. Non-compete has been overturned in the courts... by daVinci1980 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...before, at least for the IT field. The rulings have basically said that a year-long hiatus in the IT field might as well be infinitely long, due to the pacing of the business. Another ruling (which I cannot find now) basically said that if an employer wants to enforce a non-compete ruling, then they needed to be willing to compensate the employee for the duration. It's important for businesses to realize that non-competes are not a form of punishment for employees who decide to leave, but rather a means to keep trade secrets or competetive edges for a short amount of time.

    There have been several rulings on this, the most significant being the Earthweb v Schlack case a few years ago (1999). In California, it's also important to recognize that non-compete agreements are all but illegal, which is probably why Google is interested in bringing up the suit there.

    Of course, these rulings do not apply throughout the US yet, because none of the suits have had enough merit to even make it to the Supreme Court, and have been overturned at the local, state or circuit level. (None of the employers have had the wherewithal to take the suits all the way to the top, most likely for fear of a non-favorable ruling).

    Personally, I think non-competes are a sign of what employers really think of their employees. If employees are thought of as the most valuable asset the company has, and are treated as such, there is no need for non-compete agreements. My current employer, which is a very succesful, publicly traded company does not require non-compete agreements for the majority of employees. But they treat us so well that no one leaves to start a competing firm or to join the competition. We have very low turnover, and the turnover we do have is generally people who leave to start their own companies in unrelated fields.

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  8. That's why Silicon Valley is here. Good laws. by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    There are two provisions in Californa law that helped build Silicon Valley.
    • Business and Professions Code section 16600.
      Except as provided in this chapter, every contract by which anyone is restrained from engaging in a lawful profession, trade, or business of any kind is to that extent void.

      The exceptions are all for people who owned and sold a business, not employees. So you can change jobs.

    The other provision is famous. This is why you can do a startup on your own time, and your employer can't do anything about it afterward.

    • Labor Code section 2870.
      (a) Any provision in an employment agreement which provides that an employee shall assign, or offer to assign, any of his or her rights in an invention to his or her employer shall not apply to an invention that the employee developed entirely on his or her own time without using the employer's equipment, supplies, facilities, or trade secret information except for those inventions that either:
      (1) Relate at the time of conception or reduction to practice of the invention to the employer's business, or actual or demonstrably anticipated research or development of the employer; or
      (2) Result from any work performed by the employee for the employer.
      (b) To the extent a provision in an employment agreement purports to require an employee to assign an invention otherwise excluded from being required to be assigned under subdivision (a), the provision is against the public policy of this state and is unenforceable.

    Those provisions had a big role in the success of Silicon Valley. They're one of the reasons the venture capital community is based here, and why there are so many startups.