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Self-Cleaning Buildings to Fight Smog

bryan8m writes "Using technology already available for self-cleaning windows and bathroom tiles, scientists hope to paint up cities with materials that dissolve and wash away pollutants when exposed to sun and rain. The idea: UV rays hitting the titanium dioxide coated cement and concrete trigger a catalytic reaction that destroys the molecules of pollutants, including nitrogen oxides."

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  1. Solar? by 2bitcomputers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be smarter to cover the buildings with solar panels, use that to power half the building and cut down of the amount of smog created by the power plants instead? Your car puts out NOTHING compared to a 250Mw coal plant.

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    1. Re:Solar? by mysticgoat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nuclear power lacks public support because of an accounting problem.

      The nuclear industry is the first we've developed where the greatest costs occur in the post-production period (with waste and byproduct management). The Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) that guide economic modelling (and accounting in general) don't address this kind of post production cost very well. Waste management and recycling efforts have usually been regarded as refinements of the basic spreadsheet models, not as core aspects of the problem space. This has been very much the case in the nuclear power industry.

      So we've got an entire industry that has been basing its investment and production decisions on revenue and cost projections that in turn are based on flawed models which relegate the greatest costs and liabilities to footnotes, if they are addressed at all. And we've got a lot of intelligent people who recognize that something is wrong with this picture, but who are necessarily inarticulate in their criticisms. Since current accounting practice doesn't provide a way to articulate the present day cost of a future expense that increases over time and extends beyond the service life of the facility (and the probable lifespan of the entire industry).

      Nuclear power needs to develop an accounting system that will do for its waste management what Newton's calculus did for orbital mechanics. I'm confident that we've got the engineering know-how to handle nuclear power problems. What we don't have is a trustworthy accounting model to manage the implementation and production phases.

  2. titanium dioxide? by John+Seminal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    this sounds like a right wing conservative BS smog & smoke screen. what is next, the republican plan to protect forrests- you can cut down 300 year old trees as long as you stick a seed back in the ground?

    the way to fight polution is at the source. stop corporations from producing polution. if that is done, then the people won't have to spend tax dollars cleaning up the mess.

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    1. Re:titanium dioxide? by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Corporations will stop polution when you stop buying their shit. And this advice goes for everyone on slashdot. Untill then, your just advocating the government to step in and push a free ecconomy to the ground. Let me be the first to say...bad idea.

      Reduce, reuse, and recycle is the key to solving our polution issue. Educate please. Don't prohibit a free ecconomy! And finally, stop your finger-pointing at the "right wing" as though only they are responsible for our mess.

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    2. Re:titanium dioxide? by a+whoabot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How's it a free economy when corporations are given power by the state to take from public property with no recourse for others who have a stake in this public property?

      How is it a free economy when corporations are given power by the state to pollute the property of third persons with limited liability? When a corporations puts pollutants into the air and they enter my property and they hurt me when I breath them, I have no avenue of fair recourse because the government forces me through violence, and the threat of, to accept the damage without proper or any compensation.

      How is it a free economy when people are forced by the state to accept corporate pollution of their properties? State interference is not part of a free market. If it was a free market, I would be able to find recompense from all of these polluters for their harm of my person and destruction of my properties.

      I agree with you that "right wing" does not apply to this situation very well.

  3. Yes, but how about my lungs? by pioni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds great. At least now we can die in good-looking houses. How about reducing the damned pollution?!

  4. Consider the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems to make more sense to cut off the sources of the polution than to remove them from the environment. Improving engine efficency and adding proper safty equipment to power plants will do far more than coating everything in sight with titanium oxide. The self cleaning properties may be enough of a reason to use the coatings so the polution fighting is simply a side benefit. Why aren't the offenders held accountable for the polution in the first place? If power companies and auto companies were required to clean up their own messes their profits would disappear overnight. Nuclear power is generally referred to as the cheapiest cleaniest source but that's mostly because the US government generally picks up the clean up bill. The nuclear clean up programs are running billions of dollars a year with no end in sight. Oil companies are releasing massive amounts of hydrocarbons a year with no accountability. Alternative sources will start looking cheap when the government stops picking up the bill for cleaning up coal, oil and nuclear messes. Secondary costs of health care, global warming and clean up aren't ever factored into costs of energy. If sea levels rise five feet due to global warming the world will loose trillions of dollars in coastal property. Depreciate that cost into your gallon of gas.

    1. Re:Consider the source by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems to make more sense to cut off the sources of the polution than to remove them from the environment.

      Ok, then: you go convince everyone to stop driving cars and stuff, and get back to us when you've got some progress to report. In the meantime, we'll go ahead and implement self-cleaning buildings.

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  5. Tarffic is the primary cause of pollution by October_30th · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Your car puts out NOTHING compared to a 250Mw coal plant.

    Traffic is the primary cause of pollution in inhabited areas and car emissions are harder to control than those of a single 250 MW coal plant.

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  6. Why not just fight the root of the problem by smidget2k4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and reduce the pollution? Technologies like this just make it seem like pollution is alright. Out of sight, out of mind.

    How about buildings with living roofs or use solar panels and wind turbines to reduce reliance on the local smog producing powerplant.

    Or move on over to and build a community to reuse energies wasted by other nearby businesses (like the heat that would otherwise be lost through restaurant ovens can be used to help heat the floor above, etc).

    Or, you know... we can just pretend it is not there. Either way...

    1. Re:Why not just fight the root of the problem by ocelotbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      y'know, you can do both things. Yes, cutting back the sources is a good thing, but cleaning up your mess is also quite important too; people have different specialties, having everyone work on the One True Solution rarely is beneficial in the long run.

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  7. Deaths from air pollution and nuclear power by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interesting factoid of the day:

    About 3 million people die every year from air pollution. That's about an order of magnitude greater than the number of people who have died in the entire history of nuclear power and nuclear weapons, including Chernobyl, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.

    However, if you ask a random person which causes more deaths, what do you think they'll say?

    1. Re:Deaths from air pollution and nuclear power by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well you produce 3 million death certificates that say "air pollution" that are dated 2003 and I'll believe you.

      The main problem with BS statistics like yours is that these deaths can be recycled for whatever the cause du jure.

      Suppose someone dies of pneumonia. Due to poor health caused by a brain tumor. And they smoked cigarettes. And used to work as a asbestos remover.

      Died from pollution: Check
      Died from using a cell phone: Check
      Died from asbestos: Check
      Died from cigarettes: Check

      This person died 4 times for your statistics!

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